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| gema | o/ | 16:54 |
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| gema | anywone around for the weekly? | 16:55 |
| gema | #startmeeting tailgate | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 13 17:00:15 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gema. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tailgate' | 17:00 |
| gema | #topic rollcall | 17:00 |
| gema | o/ | 17:00 |
| malini | o. | 17:04 |
| malini | o/ | 17:04 |
| gema | malini: \o/ | 17:04 |
| gema | malini: I thought I was going to have to cancel :D | 17:04 |
| malini | heyy gema :) | 17:04 |
| gema | how was your week? | 17:05 |
| malini | it was good :) | 17:05 |
| malini | house back in shape now? | 17:05 |
| gema | nope, they delayed till next week | 17:05 |
| malini | :/ | 17:05 |
| gema | they confirmed they are starting monday :D | 17:05 |
| malini | hope you are not living in a tent | 17:05 |
| gema | nah, it's not that bad | 17:05 |
| gema | next week maybe ;) | 17:05 |
| malini | :) | 17:06 |
| gema | jose-idar: you around? | 17:06 |
| gema | alright, let's get started then | 17:06 |
| gema | and review our stuff | 17:06 |
| gema | #topic Last week's actions | 17:06 |
| gema | we'll carry over all the non present people actions to next week | 17:07 |
| malini | you'll have to carry over the present one as well :/ | 17:07 |
| gema | #action spyderdyne to give more updates on HA testing | 17:07 |
| gema | ok, don't worry :) | 17:07 |
| gema | #action jasonb to initiate the review of the questionaire on the ML and handle review comments, review due to end early Sept (in case people are on holidays) | 17:07 |
| gema | #action jasonb to figure out the mechanics of getting endpoints and gurumeditationreport and maybe create a simple script that does this | 17:08 |
| gema | #action malini to try to write a test with tempest-lib that spins a VM and destroys is, as a POC | 17:08 |
| gema | #action jose-idar to start a spec for component tests for nova (user side, no admin), so we can all contribute cases and maybe implement them at some point , but at least start to get organised | 17:08 |
| malini | I havent started on tht yet.. | 17:08 |
| malini | hope to get to that by next week | 17:08 |
| gema | alright, sounds good | 17:08 |
| gema | #action gema to continue with the strategy doc | 17:09 |
| gema | this one keeps going too | 17:09 |
| gema | #action gema to check what parts of keystone are accesible without admin on ubuntu's distro | 17:09 |
| gema | so does this one | 17:09 |
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| gema | ACTION gema to talk to matthew about stable tempest kilo and report back | 17:09 |
| gema | I have decided this one is not necessary anymore, after having a go at refstack tests | 17:09 |
| malini | cool..one less :) | 17:10 |
| gema | they are aiming at having a set of tests that can be run on the different releases | 17:10 |
| gema | in a stable manner | 17:10 |
| gema | ACTION gema to submit a few test runs of refstack and get familiar with it | 17:10 |
| gema | I did this one yesterday, did set up a cloud and configured it for tempest, came up with a tempest.conf | 17:10 |
| gema | and used refstack-client to run a bunch of tests | 17:11 |
| malini | did you set up a real cloud or devstack? | 17:11 |
| gema | a real cloud, but virtualised | 17:11 |
| gema | we stand up test clouds on a cloud we have for testing | 17:11 |
| malini | tht is reallly eneat! | 17:11 |
| malini | neat | 17:11 |
| gema | it's openstack on openstack but with juju | 17:11 |
| gema | and I run the tests on the overcloud | 17:12 |
| gema | undercloud is kilo | 17:12 |
| gema | overcloud was icehouse | 17:12 |
| gema | it went well, I managed to get it to run and pass most of the tests, except for some exceptions that were listed on the "flagged tests" list | 17:12 |
| malini | tht is really cool | 17:12 |
| malini | how hard was it? | 17:12 |
| gema | it took me a couple of hours | 17:12 |
| malini | tht is not at all bad | 17:12 |
| gema | to figure out what I was doing wrong with refstack client | 17:12 |
| jasonsb | thats not bad | 17:12 |
| gema | running the tests was 10 mins | 17:12 |
| malini | jasonsb: o/ | 17:12 |
| gema | jasonsb: o/ | 17:13 |
| jasonsb | :) | 17:13 |
| gema | however you need a working tempest.conf file for the cloud under test and the basic initial set up (default users, networks, images available), having that ready, running with refstack-client is very easy (just follow README instructions). | 17:13 |
| gema | we can talk more about refstack now or later on a separate topic | 17:14 |
| gema | whatever you guys prefer | 17:14 |
| malini | do they have the tests in https://github.com/stackforge/refstack as well? | 17:14 |
| malini | or is it pulled from tempest repo? | 17:14 |
| gema | malini: no, the tests are from the tempest repo, however they have lists that have to use to run | 17:14 |
| malini | sorry..I am hijacking | 17:14 |
| gema | #link https://github.com/openstack/defcore | 17:15 |
| gema | if you look at the folder 2015.05 | 17:15 |
| gema | I run that one | 17:15 |
| gema | once you get your failures you look at the flagged list | 17:15 |
| malini | the names somehow remind me of perf evals :/ | 17:15 |
| gema | maybe | 17:16 |
| gema | I can prepare a blog post about how I did the run | 17:16 |
| gema | if you guys think that may be useful | 17:16 |
| jasonsb | +1 | 17:16 |
| gema | I have a new blog to talk about what we are doing ready to go :) | 17:16 |
| malini | tht will be cool | 17:16 |
| gema | #action gema to write a blog post about refstack-client running experience | 17:16 |
| malini | I was just getting irritated abt the lack of good test blogs :D | 17:17 |
| gema | mine is empty for now | 17:17 |
| malini | not tht I am inclined to do anything abt it ;) | 17:17 |
| gema | never felt inspired to write and when I did, I kept taking it down xD | 17:17 |
| gema | #link http://www.thetestingcorner.com/ | 17:17 |
| jasonsb | a blog is a nice dipping-the-toe in | 17:17 |
| gema | coming soon ^ ;) | 17:17 |
| jasonsb | i'll do one too | 17:17 |
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| gema | yeah, and we can link each others | 17:17 |
| spyderdyne | hola | 17:17 |
| gema | spyderdyne: hello | 17:18 |
| spyderdyne | i alologize for dropping off the face of the earth | 17:18 |
| jasonsb | i think i'll do one on network testing ala spyderdyne | 17:18 |
| malini | spyderdyne: no worries..rockets do tht to you | 17:18 |
| gema | spyderdyne: don't worry | 17:18 |
| spyderdyne | lol | 17:18 |
| spyderdyne | i have somethign cool i have been working on if anyone is interested | 17:19 |
| gema | spyderdyne: go for it | 17:19 |
| spyderdyne | Odin, a bash loader for Rally test plans | 17:19 |
| gema | a tool? | 17:19 |
| spyderdyne | just some scripting | 17:19 |
| spyderdyne | pretty useful though | 17:19 |
| gema | share the link | 17:20 |
| spyderdyne | i will write it up and share a link | 17:20 |
| gema | #action spyderdyne to write up and share link about Odin, the bash loader for rally test plans | 17:20 |
| malini | Rally test plans == json templates they use? | 17:20 |
| spyderdyne | accepted | 17:20 |
| spyderdyne | all my plans are json | 17:20 |
| spyderdyne | easy to convert though | 17:21 |
| gema | spyderdyne: do you have a blog? | 17:21 |
| spyderdyne | i do | 17:21 |
| malini | gema is all bloggy today :) | 17:21 |
| gema | malini: lol, yep | 17:21 |
| spyderdyne | spyderdyne.com | 17:21 |
| spyderdyne | i dont use it much tho | 17:21 |
| spyderdyne | i can write it up on there and share if you like | 17:21 |
| gema | that'd be nice | 17:21 |
| spyderdyne | ok | 17:21 |
| gema | #link http://spyderdyne.com/ | 17:21 |
| spyderdyne | will let you know | 17:21 |
| gema | thanks, send an email to the mailing or so | 17:22 |
| gema | ok, where were we | 17:22 |
| gema | spyderdyne: wanna talk about HA, whilst at it? | 17:22 |
| spyderdyne | our ha testing has failed to launch | 17:22 |
| gema | ok, we keep the action to talk about it in the future, then? | 17:23 |
| spyderdyne | we have some issues with the test plans | 17:23 |
| gema | can we help with that? | 17:23 |
| spyderdyne | go ahead and drop the action and I will provide it when its available. | 17:23 |
| gema | ok, will drop it next week | 17:23 |
| spyderdyne | it turned out not to be as easy as we thought it would be though | 17:23 |
| gema | I have already added it to this week's | 17:23 |
| spyderdyne | thanks | 17:23 |
| gema | spyderdyne: HA is never easy | 17:24 |
| spyderdyne | HA, ha, hah! | 17:24 |
| gema | spyderdyne: however, we have a way to deploy HA in one go with juju that it may be useful for you | 17:24 |
| jasonsb | you can keep the topic i think | 17:24 |
| jasonsb | i'm working on it too | 17:24 |
| jasonsb | so we should visit it soemtime | 17:24 |
| gema | with the new version of juju that has leader election and the new charms, you can deploy openstack HA unattended | 17:24 |
| spyderdyne | would that we were using juju | 17:24 |
| spyderdyne | ;) | 17:24 |
| jasonsb | juju is nice | 17:25 |
| gema | :) | 17:25 |
| gema | ok | 17:25 |
| spyderdyne | we moved to RHEL for bug fix support so we are in the middle of a jump between operating systems and have our hands full at the moment | 17:25 |
| gema | I don't remember what actions I haven't covered x) | 17:25 |
| gema | spyderdyne: ah, ok | 17:26 |
| gema | fair enough | 17:26 |
| gema | #action gema to send out the defcore details on actionable gaps | 17:26 |
| gema | I am still working on understanding the scope for this one | 17:26 |
| gema | I attended their meeting yesterday but I have that as a topic | 17:26 |
| gema | and reading the previous week's meeting and check whether glance required admin are both done | 17:27 |
| gema | I think that's it for actions | 17:27 |
| gema | unless I am forgetting something? | 17:27 |
| gema | alright, moving on | 17:28 |
| gema | #topic defcore | 17:28 |
| gema | Mid cycle feedback: | 17:28 |
| gema | #link http://superuser.openstack.org/articles/openstack-continues-to-strenghten-its-commitment-to-interoperability | 17:28 |
| gema | #link http://robhirschfeld.com/2015/08/11/defcore-update-slowly-taming-the-interop-hydra/ | 17:28 |
| gema | Yesterday's meeting: | 17:28 |
| gema | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2015/defcore.2015-08-12-14.59.html | 17:29 |
| gema | The meeting was good, they are working on more capabilities. | 17:29 |
| gema | tbh I am not very clear on what constitutes a capability , I stilll have to read further about it, but they seem to be api calls (don't quote me on this though) | 17:29 |
| gema | I found the fact that they are entertaining the idea of vendors providing details of the cloud they are running interesting and somewhat concerning: | 17:29 |
| gema | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207209/6/doc/source/process/2015B.rst | 17:29 |
| gema | if you guys are interested, there was a lively discussion in yesterday's meeting about this | 17:30 |
| gema | you can read it | 17:30 |
| jasonsb | i tried to join | 17:31 |
| gema | I sent my results this morning to their interop meeting and got an email back saying my support request would be dealt with | 17:31 |
| jasonsb | but couldn't figure out when | 17:31 |
| gema | jasonsb: ok, I can ping you next week if you want | 17:31 |
| jasonsb | please | 17:31 |
| gema | ok | 17:31 |
| jasonsb | i haz tiny brain | 17:31 |
| gema | lol | 17:31 |
| gema | that's all I have on defcore | 17:32 |
| gema | questions? | 17:32 |
| gema | ok, moving on | 17:32 |
| gema | #topic AOB | 17:32 |
| gema | (any other business?) | 17:32 |
| gema | oh, jasonsb , I forgot | 17:33 |
| gema | did you get my email with the thoughts on the review? | 17:33 |
| gema | and the links and all? | 17:33 |
| gema | I sent it to your gmail account, I believe | 17:33 |
| gema | (questionaire review) | 17:33 |
| jasonsb | opps! | 17:33 |
| jasonsb | i missed it i'm sorry | 17:34 |
| jasonsb | looking now | 17:34 |
| gema | if you don't have it I can send it again | 17:34 |
| gema | maybe I ended up in the spam folder | 17:34 |
| jasonsb | i have it i'm just lame and missed it | 17:34 |
| gema | jasonsb: lol, ok | 17:34 |
| gema | jasonsb: do you still want to keep that action? | 17:34 |
| jasonsb | very nice | 17:34 |
| jasonsb | yes | 17:35 |
| gema | cool | 17:35 |
| gema | the other question I had, do you guys think the weekly meetings are good or do you want to fall back to every two weeks? | 17:35 |
| gema | or shall we alternate times on consecutive weeks? | 17:35 |
| jasonsb | i'm fine as-is | 17:35 |
| gema | ok | 17:36 |
| malini | me too | 17:36 |
| gema | me too, but wanted to hear if someone wanted to go back | 17:36 |
| gema | there is a lot of people that don't show up | 17:36 |
| gema | shall we ask on the mailing the reason? | 17:36 |
| gema | if this is a conflict time for them | 17:36 |
| gema | or so? | 17:36 |
| malini | maybe the interest is waning? | 17:36 |
| gema | maybe | 17:37 |
| gema | I still think it's worth it | 17:37 |
| jose-idar | sry, just got here. | 17:37 |
| gema | jose-idar: welcome sir | 17:37 |
| gema | malini: see? jose-idar clearly had a conflict :D | 17:37 |
| jose-idar | indeed! | 17:37 |
| gema | jose-idar: did you have a chance to start your spec? | 17:38 |
| jose-idar | so, just an update, I'm talking with daryl walleck. He's working with defcore to clarify what it is the tempest tests actually do | 17:38 |
| jose-idar | I'd like to piggyback on that work, and make the request something along the lines of: | 17:38 |
| gema | jose-idar: what do you mean what they do? | 17:38 |
| jose-idar | making the steps tests actually take explicit | 17:39 |
| jose-idar | Right now defcore is driven by what the tests actually do, which is bad since what they do and what they are assumed to be doing sometimes doesn't match. | 17:39 |
| gema | yep | 17:40 |
| gema | but I thought what they are doing is identifying capabilities | 17:40 |
| gema | and then choosing tests | 17:40 |
| jose-idar | So, I think I want the spec to read something like "Decide what steps define feature X, and make a test that actually does that" | 17:40 |
| gema | to validate those capabilities | 17:40 |
| jose-idar | which is fine, but no one has really gone through and audited the tests from top to bottom | 17:41 |
| gema | I have done a few | 17:41 |
| gema | they were poor :) | 17:41 |
| jose-idar | a big one is whether or not authenticating is a 'necessary step' for doing something like creating a server. | 17:41 |
| gema | as in, simple | 17:41 |
| jose-idar | yeah | 17:41 |
| jose-idar | So, i'm still writing that, with all that stuff in mind. | 17:42 |
| gema | jose-idar: ok, sounds great | 17:42 |
| jose-idar | i've had precious little time to work on it, should be better this week | 17:42 |
| gema | so what do you want me to call the action? | 17:42 |
| jose-idar | I gues leave it the same? | 17:42 |
| gema | ok, done :D | 17:42 |
| gema | jose-idar: where are you writing that? | 17:43 |
| gema | in a doc locally? | 17:43 |
| gema | I am wondering if we shouldn't start a project | 17:43 |
| gema | or does what you are doing fit nicely into defcore? | 17:43 |
| jose-idar | gema: good question! I was just keeping it local. | 17:45 |
| gema | I think we are going to add a topic to our meeting about how we want to contribute "stuff" | 17:45 |
| jose-idar | Do ya'll have a preference? | 17:45 |
| gema | we can discuss that next week, you can put it on an etherpad if you want to share it, but etherpads are not really the right place to do reviews and stuff | 17:46 |
| gema | google doc is what I was using foor the test doc, but it is also not the right place | 17:46 |
| jose-idar | that's fine. I'll modify it to follow the defcore spec 'style' and put it up there. | 17:46 |
| gema | jose-idar: sounds good | 17:46 |
| jose-idar | coolbeans | 17:46 |
| gema | if it fits nicely there and it is only about what defcore are doing, it belongs there indeed | 17:47 |
| gema | #action next chair to discuss location of our contributions and whether we should create a project in github | 17:47 |
| gema | malini: going back to your concern about interest fading | 17:47 |
| gema | I also have it | 17:47 |
| gema | but there are a few of us that keep pushing, so I think it is worth it, what do you guys think? | 17:48 |
| malini | +1 | 17:48 |
| jasonsb | +1 | 17:48 |
| gema | +1 | 17:48 |
| jasonsb | i hope to spend more time starting now | 17:48 |
| jasonsb | got behind on work stuff a little bit recently | 17:48 |
| malini | Right now, even a sounding board is good :) | 17:48 |
| gema | :) | 17:48 |
| gema | alright, we are good then, rock solid here | 17:49 |
| gema | let's keep it up | 17:49 |
| jasonsb | it will come to you gema | 17:49 |
| jasonsb | you'll see | 17:49 |
| gema | hehe | 17:49 |
| gema | so any volunteers for next week's chairing? | 17:49 |
| gema | ok, I think I can do it, will let you guys know if not and we can reorganise | 17:50 |
| gema | (on the mailing) | 17:50 |
| jasonsb | snds fine | 17:50 |
| gema | anything else in the last 10 mins? | 17:50 |
| gema | ok, thank you all for coming, as usual! | 17:51 |
| gema | #endmeeting | 17:51 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 13 17:51:28 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tailgate/2015/tailgate.2015-08-13-17.00.html | 17:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tailgate/2015/tailgate.2015-08-13-17.00.txt | 17:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tailgate/2015/tailgate.2015-08-13-17.00.log.html | 17:51 |
| gema | malini: you are right I was all excited about the blog and then couldn't think of anything to write x) | 17:52 |
| gema | malini: I have another blog, you know, personal one.. | 17:52 |
| gema | malini: http://knitpick.me/ | 17:52 |
| malini | I'll start reading you... | 17:52 |
| malini | soon I'll know it all..BWAHAHHAAA | 17:52 |
| gema | it has nothing to do with anything technical xD | 17:52 |
| malini | trying to figure out a hang..sorry I am sporadic today | 17:53 |
| gema | don't worry | 17:53 |
| gema | good night folks | 17:53 |
| spyderdyne | bye | 17:59 |
| spyderdyne | have a good week | 17:59 |
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