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| gema | is anyone around? | 17:00 |
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| gema | #startmeeting tailgate | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 6 17:00:42 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gema. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tailgate' | 17:00 |
| jasonsb | hi | 17:00 |
| gema | #topic rollcall | 17:00 |
| jose-idar | present! | 17:00 |
| jasonsb | hi | 17:00 |
| gema | o/ | 17:00 |
| malini | o - I am half here | 17:01 |
| gema | ok | 17:01 |
| gema | I am going to confess I haven't had time to prepare this meeting, so we are going to go by ear | 17:02 |
| jasonsb | np | 17:02 |
| malini | we just had me & jasonsb in the last meeting | 17:02 |
| malini | So we conveniently just chatted :) | 17:02 |
| gema | were there any actions? | 17:02 |
| malini | gema: it'll be good to follow up from the actions on the meeting before | 17:02 |
| jasonsb | dont think so | 17:02 |
| gema | malini, jasonsb ok | 17:02 |
| jasonsb | i reported about the kolla midcycle meetup | 17:03 |
| gema | jasonsb: ok, I will read it, I will add the link to it to my summary tomorrow morning so that people have the reference | 17:03 |
| gema | #topic actions from previous weeks | 17:03 |
| gema | #action spyderdyne to give more updates on HA testing | 17:03 |
| gema | I think we are carrying this one forward since he is not around | 17:04 |
| gema | did the review of the questionaire start? | 17:04 |
| jasonsb | i wanted to ask about the questionaire | 17:04 |
| gema | #action gema to sort out through the logs and get the review about the questionaire started | 17:04 |
| jasonsb | is it fine to use | 17:04 |
| jasonsb | or does it need tweeks | 17:05 |
| gema | jasonsb: it needs tweaks imo | 17:05 |
| jasonsb | ok, i'll follow up with you | 17:05 |
| gema | yep | 17:05 |
| gema | there are a bunch of links on the July log | 17:05 |
| gema | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tailgate/2015/tailgate.2015-07-23-17.00.html (see for questionaire links) | 17:06 |
| gema | I am taking the review initiation from spyderdyne and will start it myself with all the links he gave us | 17:06 |
| gema | maybe people are on holidays this month | 17:06 |
| gema | so I am not sure what would be a good deadline for this review | 17:06 |
| gema | first week of September? | 17:07 |
| jasonsb | what is the action? | 17:07 |
| gema | I will send an email with all the information and instructions on where to put comments | 17:07 |
| jasonsb | review the form to finalize? | 17:07 |
| gema | yep | 17:07 |
| gema | we'll all send comments, then ammend the form, then send it around | 17:07 |
| jasonsb | i'll take it | 17:07 |
| gema | you'll take what? | 17:07 |
| jasonsb | solicit comments and ammend | 17:08 |
| gema | coolio, I gave it to myself but I will change that right away :D | 17:08 |
| gema | #action jasonb to initiate the review of the questionaire on the ML and handle review comments, review due to end early Sept (in case people are on holidays) | 17:09 |
| gema | jasonsb: I will still send you an email with the bunch of links that we gathered the week you were out | 17:09 |
| gema | and try to explain what they were for | 17:09 |
| gema | :D | 17:09 |
| jasonsb | sounds good | 17:09 |
| gema | will do that tomorrow morning | 17:09 |
| gema | ACTION: malini to get jose-idar on the mailing | 17:10 |
| gema | was this done? | 17:10 |
| jose-idar | :) | 17:10 |
| malini | done | 17:10 |
| gema | cool | 17:10 |
| gema | #action gema to submit a few test runs of refstack and get familiar with it | 17:10 |
| gema | #action gema to talk to matthew about stable tempest kilo and report back | 17:10 |
| gema | #action gema to send out the defcore details on actionable gaps | 17:11 |
| gema | the two first ones I haven't had time to do (my work has been erratic from one thing to another) but I still want to get to them | 17:11 |
| gema | the third one I have been trying to get to the defcore meeting but they haven't had it for the past two weeks | 17:11 |
| jasonsb | i still need to attend the defcore meetings | 17:11 |
| gema | not sure if it was due to their midcycle | 17:11 |
| gema | or if it is because they changed channel and I missed that | 17:12 |
| gema | I will get holld of hogepodge and ask | 17:12 |
| gema | #action gema to figure out where the defcore meetings are and send a note around if they have changed | 17:12 |
| gema | ACTION: jasonb to give an update on inspector gadget efforts | 17:13 |
| jasonsb | http://paste.openstack.org/show/411202/ | 17:13 |
| jasonsb | i was thinking of extending the guru report | 17:13 |
| gema | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/411202/ | 17:13 |
| gema | what is the guru report? | 17:13 |
| jasonsb | maybe this could be added to api's so that our tools could report it | 17:13 |
| jasonsb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GuruMeditationReport | 17:14 |
| jasonsb | its already in the code base, and seems like a good start | 17:14 |
| hogepodge | gema: meetings are Wednesdays at 1500. We skipped this week, but will be returning next week | 17:14 |
| jasonsb | if you send a SIGUSR1 to a api it will dump out that report | 17:14 |
| gema | hogepodge: excellent, thanks, I thought I was in the wrong channel or something | 17:14 |
| gema | jasonsb: that is awesome, I hadn't heard of it :D | 17:15 |
| jasonsb | yes, some of the basic work is alerady there | 17:15 |
| jasonsb | we just need to figure out how we are going to use it and incorporate it | 17:15 |
| gema | jasonsb: ok, so what is the action this time?> | 17:16 |
| gema | jasonsb: as far as I remember, inspector gadget is supposed to tell us what services are available in the cloud so we can run the appropriate tests | 17:16 |
| jasonsb | do a demo of it added to nova-api? | 17:16 |
| gema | demo of what? | 17:17 |
| jasonsb | demo of keystone query to find out what endpoints are registered | 17:17 |
| gema | jasonsb: sounds good | 17:17 |
| jasonsb | then query the api for the endpoint and dump out the config | 17:17 |
| jasonsb | maybe its a so-so idea, but why not | 17:17 |
| gema | #action jasonb to figure out the mechanics of getting endpoints and gurumeditationreport and maybe create a simple script that does this | 17:18 |
| gema | sounds good? | 17:18 |
| jasonsb | sounds gd | 17:18 |
| gema | ok | 17:18 |
| gema | that's all there is about previous actions | 17:19 |
| gema | do you guys have topics you want to discuss? | 17:19 |
| gema | jose-idar: you are quiet | 17:20 |
| gema | what have you been up to :) | 17:20 |
| jose-idar | mostly defcore, tempest and the like | 17:20 |
| jose-idar | just a bunch of meetings | 17:20 |
| gema | jose-idar: were you in the midcycle? | 17:20 |
| gema | for defcore? | 17:20 |
| jose-idar | no | 17:20 |
| gema | ah, ok | 17:20 |
| jasonsb | gema i would encourage you to read the log of last meeting | 17:21 |
| gema | #action gema to read last week's meeting | 17:21 |
| jasonsb | i think there is some interesting possibilities with kolla | 17:21 |
| gema | ok, will do | 17:21 |
| jasonsb | they are like-minded people | 17:21 |
| gema | are they an o penstack group? | 17:21 |
| jasonsb | yes | 17:22 |
| gema | ok,will read with great interest | 17:22 |
| jasonsb | deploy openstack services in docker | 17:22 |
| jasonsb | if you deploy it, does it work? | 17:22 |
| gema | but we are interested in the does it work | 17:22 |
| jasonsb | what tools should you use to test the production cloud you just deployed? | 17:22 |
| gema | ok | 17:22 |
| jasonsb | all the same things | 17:22 |
| gema | do they have an official project? | 17:23 |
| jasonsb | just accepted to big tent | 17:23 |
| gema | awesome | 17:23 |
| jasonsb | they would like tests | 17:23 |
| jasonsb | but dont' want to develop or mananage them | 17:23 |
| gema | jasonsb: everybody would like tests, that's the point | 17:24 |
| jasonsb | yup | 17:24 |
| gema | reliable, repeatable, non-invasive, awesome tests | 17:24 |
| jasonsb | yes | 17:24 |
| jasonsb | more of that please | 17:24 |
| gema | tests that answer: does my cloud work? with a reliable 80% or 100% | 17:24 |
| jasonsb | if you have any suggestions of where to start | 17:24 |
| jasonsb | :) | 17:25 |
| gema | I do, I have been derailed from my strategy and never finished putting it together | 17:25 |
| jasonsb | oh ok. i'll followup with you | 17:25 |
| gema | #action gema to continue with the strategy doc | 17:25 |
| gema | you can follow up now if you want | 17:25 |
| gema | we still have 35 mins | 17:25 |
| jasonsb | the people in kolla meetup were more operations oriented than dev oriented | 17:26 |
| jasonsb | (at least from experience point of view) | 17:26 |
| gema | so they are users | 17:26 |
| gema | and sys admins | 17:26 |
| jasonsb | so i heard all of the same feedback about tempest and rally that we have discused in past | 17:26 |
| jasonsb | dev + heavy admin | 17:27 |
| gema | devops, ok | 17:27 |
| jasonsb | sure | 17:27 |
| jasonsb | so need a tool which can start small and light | 17:27 |
| gema | we don't need a tool, jasonsb , we need test cases | 17:28 |
| jasonsb | which (i'll cut and paste) reliable, repeatable, non-invasive, awesome tests | 17:28 |
| gema | we have plenty of tools | 17:28 |
| jasonsb | ok, so lets make some test cases | 17:28 |
| jasonsb | you tell me the framework | 17:29 |
| gema | tempest | 17:29 |
| jasonsb | and we can contribute to kolla | 17:29 |
| gema | tempest uses unittest, I believe, which is good enough for us to start with | 17:29 |
| gema | and we can always move those scripts somewhere else | 17:29 |
| gema | or we could even do standalone unittests | 17:29 |
| jasonsb | ok, but we would need to solve some of the operational problems with tempest | 17:30 |
| jasonsb | needs to work with multiple versions of openstack | 17:30 |
| jasonsb | needs to clean up | 17:30 |
| jasonsb | blah blah | 17:30 |
| gema | jasonsb: all tests need to clean up | 17:30 |
| gema | and tempest offers us a few apis that we can use and common operations | 17:30 |
| gema | but it takes longer to ramp up and write tests than unittest | 17:31 |
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| jasonsb | ok | 17:31 |
| malini | sorry..I am only half here | 17:31 |
| gema | jasonsb: or we could start by making tempest clean up | 17:31 |
| gema | contributing some changes to that | 17:31 |
| gema | end | 17:31 |
| malini | But is the plan to use tempest-lib ? | 17:31 |
| gema | malini: there is no plan | 17:31 |
| malini | :D | 17:31 |
| gema | malini: we can use whatever we want | 17:31 |
| gema | malini: or we could say: our tests are self contained scripts | 17:32 |
| gema | if the script returns 0 you are good | 17:32 |
| rockyg | o/ | 17:32 |
| malini | hello rockyg!! | 17:32 |
| gema | if it returns something else , not so much | 17:32 |
| gema | rockyg: o/ | 17:32 |
| jasonsb | ok | 17:32 |
| malini | gema: hmm…but we shud have better test results than a 0 or 1 | 17:32 |
| jasonsb | this sounds like defcore effort too | 17:32 |
| gema | malini: that's a fail or a pass | 17:33 |
| jasonsb | (two birds is good) | 17:33 |
| gema | what else do you want? :D | 17:33 |
| malini | why/where did it fail? | 17:33 |
| gema | malini: we surely can count 0s and 1s | 17:33 |
| rockyg | I'm on Defcore. I can help | 17:33 |
| gema | rockyg: go ahead please | 17:33 |
| gema | rockyg: trying to decide framework here | 17:33 |
| gema | malini: you achieve that by making your tests spit comments | 17:34 |
| rockyg | Hey. Just heard about you guys. This is *great* I want to help, but I've got too many irons in the fire. | 17:34 |
| gema | rockyg: we are all more or less the same | 17:34 |
| rockyg | But, I can do some influencing and advising | 17:34 |
| rockyg | I saw Gema | 17:34 |
| rockyg | 's post on the Summit session proposals | 17:34 |
| gema | rockyg: so if we were to create tests that you guys can use, should we use tempest? | 17:34 |
| gema | or tempest-lib | 17:35 |
| rockyg | I was gonna try to get a birds of a feather going in Tokyo. | 17:35 |
| rockyg | So, it should work *with* tempest_lib, but doesn't have to be in the tempest repo | 17:35 |
| gema | so you want the test runner to be tempest lib | 17:36 |
| rockyg | Go out to Refstack repo (I think it's under openstack-infra now or will be shortly) | 17:36 |
| rockyg | Look at the readme for tempest-client | 17:36 |
| gema | rockyg: ok | 17:36 |
| rockyg | that's what DefCore is requiring to be the test runner/results collection | 17:37 |
| gema | and do you have an idea of where are the biggest gaps in coverage? | 17:37 |
| gema | for defcore's purposes | 17:37 |
| rockyg | Other thing is that we're entertaining proposals for other test sets within the Refstack server that validate interop. | 17:37 |
| rockyg | Oh, yeah, to some extent. | 17:38 |
| rockyg | But what we're finding is that there are actual code gaps that make interop hard. | 17:38 |
| gema | yeah, testability is an issue for us too | 17:38 |
| rockyg | And really, right now DefCore uses api tests for interop where really, we should have tests for user use cases | 17:39 |
| gema | yeah, I have a problem with calling refstack tests "interop" | 17:39 |
| gema | but I don't want to be picky yet :D | 17:39 |
| rockyg | Like give me a vm with external access and a private management network | 17:39 |
| jose-idar | gema: +1! | 17:40 |
| rockyg | Monty Taylor and John Garbutt have come out loudly about the fact that there are like three ways to create a vm and none of them are good. | 17:40 |
| gema | what's wrong with nova boot? | 17:41 |
| rockyg | Sorry for any time gaps, I'm managing the diversity meeting, too right now. | 17:41 |
| gema | rockyg: don't worry, thanks for coming, this is very enlightening | 17:41 |
| rockyg | I think QA/E should be considered a minority for OpenStack Foundation's sake ;-) | 17:42 |
| gema | :) | 17:42 |
| rockyg | I just talked to Sam Danes (rackspace) and he' | 17:42 |
| rockyg | s really interested in this group, too. | 17:42 |
| gema | sam was with us in vancouver | 17:42 |
| gema | at the middle of our early conversations, right malini ? | 17:43 |
| rockyg | I have a possible strategy for acceptance -- FMEA test framework | 17:43 |
| rockyg | It's not part of tempest charter. No ERROR messages allowed in tests for passing | 17:43 |
| malini | gema: yes | 17:43 |
| rockyg | And if we get something like this happening, I think we'd be the first OpenSource project collection with *real* QA | 17:43 |
| gema | rockyg: that's the idea | 17:44 |
| gema | we were all trying to do it separately | 17:44 |
| gema | so we decided to join forces | 17:44 |
| gema | it's too big of a task | 17:44 |
| rockyg | Yup. Sam was there. That's how I heard about you after I saw the proposals | 17:44 |
| rockyg | Yes. Much too big, but once a framework and rules for writing the tests are in place, lots of ops guys will provide tests | 17:45 |
| gema | yep, that's my hope | 17:45 |
| gema | that's what happened in ubuntu when we started QA few years ago :D | 17:45 |
| gema | and that's why I was talking about any binary and using the return code | 17:45 |
| rockyg | So, the focus should be on getting some possible frameworks and some sample tests. | 17:45 |
| gema | because people like to write tests however they like them | 17:45 |
| gema | and if they are good, they can be integrated | 17:45 |
| rockyg | Yeah. Exactly. | 17:46 |
| gema | if we are too prescriptive, we won't get far | 17:46 |
| gema | ok, I have the feeling I should put an action from our conversation with rockyg , but I don't know where to start | 17:47 |
| malini | Identify one scenario from rockyg | 17:47 |
| rockyg | So, is this a weekly meeting? Or just everyone happens to be here? | 17:47 |
| malini | 'try' to write a test with tempest-lib | 17:47 |
| gema | rockyg: it's a weekly, sometimes there's more people than other times :D | 17:47 |
| gema | malini: who should attempt such task? | 17:48 |
| rockyg | So, 10am PDT Thursdays? I'll put it on my calendar | 17:48 |
| malini | gema: any of us can. I wouldn't mind doing it | 17:48 |
| gema | malini: ok, have a go and let us know, then | 17:48 |
| malini | I have always been planning to try out tempest-lib | 17:48 |
| gema | yep | 17:48 |
| malini | rockyg: is there a scenario for us to start with? | 17:48 |
| rockyg | What might also be useful is to get a test or a representative collection of tests that folks are running at their sites | 17:48 |
| malini | just as a POC | 17:49 |
| rockyg | I know Sam has a number. | 17:49 |
| gema | #action malini to try to write a test with tempest-lib that spins a VM and destroys is, as a POC | 17:49 |
| rockyg | I think we need a smallish test to start. give me a vm is too big | 17:49 |
| gema | ok, list VMs ? | 17:49 |
| gema | nova list | 17:49 |
| gema | but from the api? | 17:49 |
| gema | and if it doesn't error it is a pass | 17:50 |
| rockyg | Ooh, but if you can spin a vm, gather the info from it a user needs (networks, ssh, etc), then delete it, that would be very good. | 17:50 |
| gema | rockyg: we were trying to start small, right? | 17:50 |
| rockyg | Yeah. But I can hope? | 17:51 |
| gema | that's why I thought spin vm and destroy vm was a good start | 17:51 |
| gema | even if it takes a while to get glance serving images and keystone authenticating | 17:51 |
| rockyg | Actually, one that is not doable now is to list available images in a cloud | 17:51 |
| gema | there's no api for that? | 17:51 |
| rockyg | All DefCore tests are user space, no admin. | 17:51 |
| gema | that's a good point | 17:52 |
| rockyg | There is currently a test that does that, but it requires admin. | 17:52 |
| malini | if its admin only, it doesnt make sense to be in defcore -rt? | 17:52 |
| jose-idar | rockyg: do you know if the call requires admin, or if the test is requiring that erroneously? | 17:52 |
| rockyg | And since glance v2 is not in nova yet, there is no user facing api. | 17:52 |
| rockyg | That's why it's not in Defcore as a requirement. Test is flagge ;-) | 17:53 |
| gema | why, I can list the images available to me on my env without admin | 17:53 |
| gema | glance image-list | 17:53 |
| gema | (on kilo) | 17:53 |
| malini | hinking abt it, it shud be user accessible | 17:53 |
| rockyg | Is that v1 or v2, and is it an internal api that's exposed, or external | 17:53 |
| gema | I use the glance client | 17:53 |
| gema | not sure what version of the api it uses | 17:53 |
| gema | how do I check that? | 17:54 |
| rockyg | Logs, I think, and we all know they suck | 17:54 |
| gema | glance logs? | 17:54 |
| jasonsb | yuo can specify which api with glance client | 17:54 |
| gema | #action gema to look at the glance logs of her test cloud and check what api is being used (we can list images without admin) | 17:54 |
| gema | ok, will check and report back | 17:54 |
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| rockyg | Thanks! | 17:55 |
| gema | np | 17:55 |
| gema | ok, we are about to hit the end of the meeting, malini are you comfortable with the POC? | 17:55 |
| gema | feel free to change the test case | 17:55 |
| rockyg | One of the next areas Defcore is expanding into is Neutron for 2016.01 | 17:55 |
| gema | to whatever is achievable | 17:55 |
| malini | "malini to try to write a test with tempest-lib that spins a VM and destroys is, as a POC" is this still the POC test? | 17:56 |
| rockyg | They will need user based tests. What are my networks and which is which | 17:56 |
| gema | malini: that's the action, just do whatever yoou think is achievable | 17:56 |
| gema | if that is not | 17:56 |
| malini | sounds good | 17:56 |
| rockyg | I'll let you know that rackspace and helion require different paths to make it happen. | 17:56 |
| malini | hmmm..so my test shud theoretically run on any OS cloud | 17:57 |
| gema | yep | 17:57 |
| rockyg | Monty Taylor also might have a bunch of code checked in under shade that show you how he does it | 17:57 |
| gema | malini: but start with yours | 17:57 |
| malini | yes..I dont like anybody else's code anyways :D | 17:57 |
| gema | no, I mean your cloud xD | 17:58 |
| rockyg | lol | 17:58 |
| gema | then we can run your script on all the other ones and see xD | 17:58 |
| jose-idar | the novaclient manages it via auth plugins, as long as identity is out of scope, it should work on most clouds. | 17:58 |
| gema | alright , sounds like we are almost at the end of the day | 17:58 |
| gema | any volunteers for chairing next week? | 17:58 |
| rockyg | Defcore wants Keystone tests, too, but so far, they are all admin. | 17:59 |
| gema | #action gema to check what parts of keystone are accesible without admin on ubuntu's distro | 17:59 |
| jose-idar | I'm just advocating that the scopes should be separate. the nova tests shouldn't fail because of auth if they don't have to, for example. | 17:59 |
| gema | jose-idar: it depends on whether the test is end to end or not | 18:00 |
| gema | if it is end to end it should fail | 18:00 |
| rockyg | +100 | 18:00 |
| gema | if it is not, it shouldn't | 18:00 |
| gema | and for interop reasons, you want end to end | 18:00 |
| jose-idar | sure, but there should also be one that isn't end to end | 18:00 |
| gema | we need to make auth compatible between clouds | 18:00 |
| gema | it shoudln't be that difficult | 18:00 |
| jose-idar | because it's just as important to know if the components work as it is to know if the cloud works together. | 18:00 |
| gema | jose-idar: true, but the scope of the tests is another long conversation to have in the future I think :D | 18:01 |
| rockyg | So far, Defcore is only working on the first part. | 18:01 |
| jose-idar | cross-cloud auth compatibility should probably be #1 priority honestly :D | 18:01 |
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| rockyg | But would accept tests for the second. | 18:01 |
| jose-idar | the problem with putting it off is that defcore is going to set the prescedent for end-to-end tests when nothing works together yet. | 18:01 |
| rockyg | yeeup | 18:02 |
| gema | jose-idar: a failing test is a great starting point, something to fix | 18:02 |
| jose-idar | they should have started on per-component first, but that would require them writing actual specs instead of relying on the already exant temptest tests. | 18:02 |
| rockyg | jose-idar, welcome to my world :-/ | 18:02 |
| gema | rockyg: maybe we can help you change that | 18:02 |
| rockyg | Yes, please! | 18:03 |
| jose-idar | a component test that fails is much clearer than an end to end test that fails, especially considering a user that runs the tests on a cloud who's logs they can't acess | 18:03 |
| gema | jose-idar: can we attempt to write one of those specs as an example? | 18:03 |
| jose-idar | probably! | 18:03 |
| gema | jose-idar: I mean you sound like you know what you want such spec to look like | 18:03 |
| gema | can you start one so we can contribute to it | 18:03 |
| gema | say .. for nova? | 18:03 |
| rockyg | Also, users should have access at least to their vm logs. | 18:03 |
| rockyg | jose-idar, please? | 18:04 |
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| rockyg | The key is, the real test is whether you can have a vm image with your app on it and recreate it or move it to another cloud. That's interop. | 18:05 |
| beisner | o/ hi, apologize for the late pop-in, just reading backscroll | 18:05 |
| rockyg | Oh, and manage on both | 18:05 |
| rockyg | We ask for so little ;-) | 18:05 |
| gema | #action jose-idar to start a spec for component tests for nova (user side, no admin), so we can all contribute cases and maybe implement them at some point , but at least start to get organised | 18:05 |
| * gema looks shyly at jose-idar | 18:06 | |
| malini | should be 'stares at jose-idar' ;) | 18:06 |
| gema | haha | 18:06 |
| jose-idar | sorry, got pulled away | 18:06 |
| jose-idar | sure!@ | 18:06 |
| gema | jose-idar: \o/ thanks! | 18:06 |
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| rockyg | \o/ | 18:06 |
| gema | ok, I am going to call it a meeting before I start giving actions to non present people :D | 18:07 |
| jose-idar | i'll sync up w/ dary walleck, because I think he's working on a oparallel task | 18:07 |
| jose-idar | thansk everyone!@ | 18:07 |
| gema | #endmeeting | 18:07 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 6 18:07:24 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:07 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tailgate/2015/tailgate.2015-08-06-17.00.html | 18:07 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tailgate/2015/tailgate.2015-08-06-17.00.txt | 18:07 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tailgate/2015/tailgate.2015-08-06-17.00.log.html | 18:07 |
| rockyg | Thanks! | 18:07 |
| gema | thank you all | 18:07 |
| jasonsb | thank you jose-idar | 18:07 |
| gema | jose-idar: indeed | 18:07 |
| jasonsb | looking forward to seeing | 18:07 |
| gema | and malini and rockyg and jasonsb and anyone I am forgetting for coming | 18:08 |
| gema | it's been interesting :D | 18:08 |
| gema | rockyg: how do you guys track work? | 18:08 |
| gema | do you have blueprints? | 18:08 |
| gema | so far we are using actions on the meeting but it is a bit fiddly | 18:08 |
| rockyg | We have etherpads with info/minutes. We track Capability scoring on a google spreadsheet, but are looking moving to gerrit | 18:14 |
| rockyg | Everyone wants to use gerrit because devs do, and it sucks for doing spreadsheets/tables | 18:14 |
| gema | yeah | 18:15 |
| rockyg | There are also IRC meetings once a week, but we used to do internet conferences, which worked better. We just had our midcycle face to face | 18:15 |
| rockyg | Much more work gets done with voices and even more in person. | 18:16 |
| gema | yeah, you are right, we are just not there yet | 18:16 |
| rockyg | Yeah. But at least this group is mostly dev-ish and does better than other not dev code groups at IRC | 18:17 |
| rockyg | The product wg is really hampered by IRC. Strategy is hard over chat. | 18:18 |
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| rockyg | Really looking forward to meeting you and the rest of this group. I already know Malini, but the rest...I want to help make this happen! | 18:19 |
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| gema | rockyg: looking forward to meeting you too, we'll see when we can manage it :D | 18:20 |
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| gema | oh, he's gone | 18:27 |
| gema | I can get the image list with both, version 1 and version 2 of the glance api without admin | 18:27 |
| gema | anyway, good night folks | 18:32 |
| gema | uhmmm, I will try to chair next week, but they are going to be redoing our ceiling, so I may not get here in time | 18:32 |
| gema | if I cannot chair I will send a panic email to the list on the day so someone else takes over :D | 18:33 |
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