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| malini | is anybody else available to chair the meeting today? I have a conflict for the last 30 min | 15:09 |
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| gema | I cannot attend today's meeting, sorry | 16:22 |
| gema | :( | 16:22 |
| hockeynut | same here - we have a team meeting. Sadness... | 16:45 |
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| malini | BOOOOOOMMMMM | 17:00 |
| malini | meeting time | 17:00 |
| malini | #startmeeting: tailgate | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 30 17:00:41 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is malini. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to '__tailgate' | 17:00 |
| malini | anybody around? | 17:01 |
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| malini | gema, beisner, jasonsb, jose-idar: want to do the meeting today? | 17:02 |
| jasonsb | +1 but i was on vacation for most of the time so i don't have too much to report | 17:02 |
| malini | hmmm…& nobody else seems to be around :/ | 17:03 |
| malini | jasonsb: Guess we'll wait for 5 min & then decide to have it or not? | 17:04 |
| jasonsb | ok | 17:04 |
| jasonsb | btw, i met few more rackspace people at kolla midcycle meetup | 17:05 |
| jasonsb | you have good people | 17:05 |
| malini | jasonsb: we sure do :) | 17:05 |
| jasonsb | i also found kolla people to be like-minded to us | 17:05 |
| malini | I work out of ATL office - so I don't know too many ppl :( | 17:05 |
| malini | we are a small ship here | 17:05 |
| jasonsb | it may well be that kolla can be a distribution mechanism for tailgate tooling | 17:06 |
| malini | jasonsb: what does koola do? I thought it had something to do with containers | 17:06 |
| jasonsb | its like osad but in containers | 17:06 |
| jasonsb | testing came up | 17:06 |
| jasonsb | and everybody in the room said tempest not good for testing a real cloud | 17:06 |
| jasonsb | rally is somewhat better | 17:07 |
| jasonsb | but overall the mood of the room was the testing available was meh | 17:07 |
| malini | I think ppl try to use tempest for everything, because there are no alternatives | 17:07 |
| jasonsb | anyway, i think tailgate would be well received in kolla community | 17:07 |
| malini | jasonsb: as soon as we have a game plan :) | 17:08 |
| jasonsb | it fills a neccessary component and kolla doesn't want to do that | 17:08 |
| malini | what do the kolla folks need from a testing perspective? | 17:08 |
| jasonsb | you deploy a cloud (with ha blah blah) | 17:09 |
| jasonsb | how do you know it works? | 17:09 |
| malini | I have heard tht somewhere else ;) | 17:09 |
| jasonsb | :) | 17:09 |
| malini | But tht is really good finding jasonsb | 17:10 |
| malini | jasonsb: looks like we dont have anybody else. what do you want to do? | 17:11 |
| jasonsb | i personally like it because we get to focus on our tooling, but if kolla will deploy for us we know the user experience | 17:11 |
| jasonsb | and also kolla wants to solve the same problem | 17:11 |
| jasonsb | im fine | 17:11 |
| malini | Is Kolla meant to deploy OS clouds using docker? | 17:11 |
| jasonsb | i had a question for you | 17:11 |
| malini | jasonsb: sure | 17:12 |
| jasonsb | kolla deploys openstack clouds using docker | 17:12 |
| jasonsb | (in 2 minutes) | 17:12 |
| jasonsb | its pretty fast | 17:12 |
| malini | jasonsb: tht is neat..we should be able to integrate with them | 17:12 |
| jasonsb | you can push config change and it will restart services blah blah | 17:12 |
| jasonsb | oh | 17:13 |
| jasonsb | 6 companies have expressed interest in using kolla | 17:13 |
| jasonsb | so if we do provide tooling we will have an audience | 17:13 |
| malini | wonder how magnum is different from kolla? | 17:13 |
| jasonsb | quite a bit i think | 17:13 |
| jasonsb | magnum uses nova | 17:13 |
| jasonsb | nova provides place for housekeeping daemons etc in addition to container stuff | 17:14 |
| jasonsb | (as i understand it) | 17:14 |
| malini | aah..ok | 17:14 |
| jasonsb | oh, one more thing | 17:15 |
| jasonsb | since i'm pitching kolla | 17:15 |
| jasonsb | kolla uses ansible to deploy | 17:15 |
| jasonsb | ansible has metadata and inventory files for what services live where | 17:15 |
| jasonsb | i think this could be useful for us, even though it is a bit specific | 17:15 |
| malini | hmm..we can probably use tht to build a conf file | 17:15 |
| jasonsb | we could implement ha testing with that metadata and have a end-to-end | 17:15 |
| malini | yeah..tht sounds cool!! | 17:16 |
| jasonsb | its deployment specific, but i think thats the nature of it anyway | 17:16 |
| jasonsb | oh | 17:16 |
| malini | if we can decouple the deployment & testing, we might be able to use it across | 17:16 |
| jasonsb | and kolla is meant to be able to deploy multiple versions of openstack | 17:16 |
| jasonsb | so if we provide testing that fills that void we would be rockstars | 17:17 |
| jasonsb | :) | 17:17 |
| jasonsb | since tempest cannot do that | 17:17 |
| malini | aahh..MONEY, FAME,...... | 17:17 |
| jasonsb | yeah, definitely in it for the money and fame :) | 17:17 |
| malini | :D | 17:17 |
| jasonsb | questoin | 17:17 |
| jasonsb | i see a few links for the goog spyderdyne form | 17:18 |
| jasonsb | is that settled or still WIP? | 17:18 |
| malini | its still WIP | 17:18 |
| jasonsb | can i help? | 17:18 |
| malini | we were all supposed to put our brain dump in an etherpad on what we shud/not cover | 17:18 |
| malini | jasonsb: tht'll be neat..Let me dig the links from the last minutes | 17:18 |
| jasonsb | ok, let me review etherpad | 17:19 |
| malini | jasonsb: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tailgate/2015/tailgate.2015-07-23-17.00.txt | 17:19 |
| malini | Looks for the links there | 17:19 |
| jasonsb | ok, i'll spend some time | 17:19 |
| malini | jasonsb: I think spyderdyne might have gotten busy | 17:19 |
| jasonsb | is gema on vacation? | 17:20 |
| jasonsb | its august almost | 17:21 |
| malini | yeap! She was dealing with some flood stuff last week | 17:21 |
| malini | I hope she is done with all of tht | 17:21 |
| malini | the 'yeap' was not for vacation :/ | 17:21 |
| malini | I dont know | 17:21 |
| jasonsb | flood stuff | 17:22 |
| jasonsb | ewww | 17:22 |
| jasonsb | hope everything ok | 17:22 |
| malini | I hope the worst is over | 17:22 |
| jasonsb | could you do me a favor | 17:22 |
| malini | sure | 17:22 |
| jasonsb | of the tools you are aware of | 17:22 |
| jasonsb | do you think any of them are low hanging fruit where we could package them into stackforge | 17:22 |
| jasonsb | and kolla can consume them? | 17:22 |
| jasonsb | i think it would energize our group if we could demo our tools in action | 17:23 |
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| malini | jasonsb: sorry…bad wifi | 17:23 |
| jasonsb | i think it would energize our group if we could demo our tools in action | 17:23 |
| malini | jasonsb: Rackspace has many of the tests opensourced | 17:23 |
| malini | https://github.com/stackforge/cloudcafe | 17:24 |
| jasonsb | is that what you would start with? | 17:24 |
| malini | But…I am not sure if tht is what kolla needs | 17:24 |
| jasonsb | kolla wants to start with something and then grow it | 17:24 |
| jasonsb | so doesn't have to be fancy | 17:24 |
| jasonsb | but small and tight would be nice-to-haves | 17:24 |
| malini | hmmm….which projects are they targetting? | 17:25 |
| malini | all the big tent ? | 17:25 |
| jasonsb | i think the things people use | 17:25 |
| jasonsb | potentially anything in openstack namespace | 17:25 |
| jasonsb | kolla can use binary distros or build from source | 17:26 |
| jasonsb | so its kind of open | 17:26 |
| jasonsb | i think hds will probably add manila if nobody else gets there first | 17:26 |
| malini | jasonsb: I really cant think of any one tool tht kolla can consume :/ | 17:27 |
| malini | tht is the problem all of us have :( | 17:28 |
| malini | we have tempest, internal tests, rally yada yada | 17:28 |
| malini | But not a clear answer on what we are testing | 17:28 |
| jasonsb | i think a test which runs without adversely effecting the cloud is job #1 | 17:29 |
| jasonsb | i think most people are flexible on functionality if you can nail that point | 17:29 |
| malini | gtg for another meeting…will ttyl | 17:31 |
| malini | #endmeeting | 17:31 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 30 17:31:27 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/__tailgate/2015/__tailgate.2015-07-30-17.00.html | 17:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/__tailgate/2015/__tailgate.2015-07-30-17.00.txt | 17:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/__tailgate/2015/__tailgate.2015-07-30-17.00.log.html | 17:31 |
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