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openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift feature/deep: Use direct_container_op more https://review.openstack.org/548114 | 01:48 |
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openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift feature/deep: Add a put_objects helper https://review.openstack.org/548115 | 01:48 |
openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift feature/deep: Add some threading https://review.openstack.org/548116 | 01:48 |
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andybotting | hey guys, I'm seeing swiftclient 'hang' with python3. It appears to do the right thing (i.e. list works, delete works) but it never returns to the prompt. Just sits there forever. I'm using Python 3.6 on Arch Linux - from both the distro package and from virtualenv. | 03:50 |
andybotting | Python 2 works fine. Debug output looks mostly the same. | 03:51 |
andybotting | Let me know if there's some info I can provide | 03:51 |
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andybotting | looks like it's just the distro package. I'll look into it more | 04:01 |
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openstackgerrit | Kazuhiro MIYAHARA proposed openstack/swift master: Split expirer methods and parametrize task account https://review.openstack.org/543874 | 05:55 |
openstackgerrit | Kazuhiro MIYAHARA proposed openstack/swift master: Split expirer methods and parametrize task account https://review.openstack.org/543874 | 06:08 |
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openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/swift master: Imported Translations from Zanata https://review.openstack.org/545523 | 06:55 |
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openstackgerrit | Kazuhiro MIYAHARA proposed openstack/swift master: Parameterize expirer unit tests https://review.openstack.org/543923 | 08:17 |
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openstackgerrit | Kazuhiro MIYAHARA proposed openstack/swift master: Split expirer methods and parametrize task account https://review.openstack.org/543874 | 08:30 |
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openstackgerrit | Kazuhiro MIYAHARA proposed openstack/swift master: Parameterize expirer unit tests https://review.openstack.org/543923 | 08:38 |
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kota_ | good morning guys | 09:07 |
acoles | kota_: good morning | 09:12 |
acoles | anyone at PTG yet? | 09:12 |
kota_ | acoles: good morning. I just saw mattoliverau and m_kazuhiro but it doesn't seem to have a room yet | 09:13 |
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kota_ | i'm on a sheet in front of registration | 09:14 |
acoles | I'm going to walk there soon - probably arrive about 10am | 09:15 |
kota_ | acoles: sounds nice | 09:17 |
clayg | back in 661 | 09:17 |
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openstackgerrit | Alistair Coles proposed openstack/swift feature/deep: Ignore found/created shards when shrinking https://review.openstack.org/548077 | 09:21 |
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mattoliverau | morning | 09:23 |
openstackgerrit | Kota Tsuyuzaki proposed openstack/swift feature/s3api: Merge remote-tracking branch 'remotes/origin/master' into merge-master https://review.openstack.org/548193 | 09:24 |
notmyname | we're in 661 again today | 09:26 |
openstackgerrit | Kota Tsuyuzaki proposed openstack/swift feature/s3api: Merge remote-tracking branch 'remotes/origin/master' into feature/s3api https://review.openstack.org/548193 | 09:26 |
acoles | notmyname: the community cluster job didn't run on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/548077 yesterday :'( | 09:29 |
patchbot | patch 548077 - swift (feature/deep) - Ignore found/created shards when shrinking | 09:29 |
notmyname | acoles: checking | 09:31 |
kota_ | clayg, notmyname: good notification for the room. I'll be thre soon. | 09:32 |
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notmyname | acoles: jenkins server may be down. martin is checking | 09:33 |
openstackgerrit | Kazuhiro MIYAHARA proposed openstack/swift master: Add object-expirer new mode to execute tasks from general task queue https://review.openstack.org/517389 | 09:36 |
acoles | on my way | 09:37 |
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notmyname | acoles: it's back up. should be able to recheck old stuff and check new stuff now | 09:37 |
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acoles | notmyname: thanks | 10:15 |
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kota_ | gerrit seems unstable | 10:20 |
openstackgerrit | Kota Tsuyuzaki proposed openstack/swift master: Kill rsync coros when lockup detector tries to kill the process https://review.openstack.org/548018 | 10:21 |
kota_ | ^ perhaps, better one to prevent zombie rsync process but I'm still not sure that is correct thing | 10:22 |
-openstackstatus- NOTICE: gerrit is being restarted due to extreme slowness | 10:23 | |
kota_ | if that is | 10:24 |
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openstackgerrit | Kota Tsuyuzaki proposed openstack/swift master: Kill rsync coros when lockup detector tries to kill the process https://review.openstack.org/548018 | 10:35 |
kota_ | small fix in unit test | 10:35 |
kota_ | i checked the behavior of the patch 548018 in my saio with narrow bandwidth (e.g. 10KB/s) and lockup_timeout with 1.0 sec. No mare rsync process (and also zombiee process) increasing. | 10:40 |
patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/548018/ - swift - Kill rsync coros when lockup detector tries to kil... | 10:40 |
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kota_ | thanks clayg checking it! | 10:51 |
openstackgerrit | Kota Tsuyuzaki proposed openstack/swift master: DNM: Try out to pull execution logs of functests https://review.openstack.org/548226 | 11:08 |
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notmyname | lunch is available. there's a zuulv3 talk right after lunch in the same room, and there's a room this afternoon talking about release cycles | 12:14 |
notmyname | we'll be in 661 all afternoon, too | 12:14 |
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openstackgerrit | Kazuhiro MIYAHARA proposed openstack/swift master: WIP: Add "Manual" Tiering Feature https://review.openstack.org/546958 | 12:20 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift feature/deep: Ignore found/created shards when shrinking https://review.openstack.org/548077 | 12:57 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift feature/s3api: Merge remote-tracking branch 'remotes/origin/master' into feature/s3api https://review.openstack.org/548193 | 12:57 |
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openstackgerrit | Clay Gerrard proposed openstack/swift feature/deep: Add note about enabling sharding https://review.openstack.org/548276 | 13:41 |
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openstackgerrit | Clay Gerrard proposed openstack/swift feature/deep: Add note about enabling sharding https://review.openstack.org/548276 | 13:49 |
openstackgerrit | Clay Gerrard proposed openstack/swift feature/deep: Add note about enabling sharding https://review.openstack.org/548276 | 13:50 |
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openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift feature/deep: Add override_devices/override_partitions options https://review.openstack.org/548281 | 13:56 |
openstackgerrit | Clay Gerrard proposed openstack/swift feature/deep: Let shard-info work with conf.d https://review.openstack.org/548282 | 13:57 |
kota_ | got it. now the func gate is using in-process instead of dsvm http://logs.openstack.org/26/548226/1/check/swift-tox-func/18ee7bb/job-output.txt.gz#_2018-02-27_11_11_13_714257 even it's just `tox -efunc` | 13:58 |
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kota_ | (if we don't have test conf tho ^) | 14:10 |
openstackgerrit | Alistair Coles proposed openstack/swift feature/deep: Only shrink into an ACTIVE acceptor https://review.openstack.org/548296 | 14:12 |
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notmyname | let me know if the "happening now" section for swift needs to change to something other than "open discussion" | 14:20 |
openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift feature/deep: Add override_devices/override_partitions options https://review.openstack.org/548281 | 14:23 |
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thurloat | how's the conf? | 14:51 |
openstackgerrit | Alistair Coles proposed openstack/swift feature/deep: Cleanup ContainerBroker.get_own_shard_range https://review.openstack.org/547478 | 14:52 |
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notmyname | thurloat: great. it's always really good to see everyone in person (however, I stayed up too late last night and I'm pretty tired now) | 15:03 |
thurloat | easy to get carried away at confs :) | 15:06 |
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notmyname | acoles: mattoliverau: kota_: how's room 661 going? | 15:19 |
kota_ | notmyname: I'm at release-cycle room | 15:19 |
notmyname | oh hi | 15:20 |
notmyname | kota_: how do you think this release-cycle conversation is going? | 15:22 |
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kota_ | notmyname: good question. | 15:23 |
notmyname | I thought so ;-) | 15:24 |
notmyname | what do you think? | 15:24 |
kota_ | notmyname: in the moment, exactly there are some impact to change the release-cycle but... | 15:25 |
kota_ | in developer perspective, the current cycle is being tighten for developer | 15:26 |
kota_ | exactly i understand the opinions of the operators and packagers. | 15:26 |
kota_ | i'm feeling the room has spent much time for ops/packagers/sales perspective for now | 15:27 |
kota_ | the topics for devs seems at the bottom of the pad tho | 15:28 |
notmyname | do you think the conversation is going in a way that will hurt developers? | 15:28 |
kota_ | not sure to go the conclusion. I think it's brainstorming and some of the opinion may be good feedbacks to dev. | 15:30 |
notmyname | tdasilva: what do you think about this room's conversation? | 15:30 |
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kota_ | notmyname: in the perspective of Japanese culture, the frequency of the releases won't be impacted because many of customers doesn't try upgrading so frequently | 15:33 |
tdasilva | get the feeling that there are good reasons to go longer and good reason to go shorter, but i'm not sure if there's any leaning at the moment...like kota_ said hard to take any conclusions atm... | 15:33 |
tdasilva | gut feeling is that things will remain the same???? | 15:33 |
kota_ | but if there is something impacted, the important thing is WHAT'S CHANGED and IT IS ABLE TO UPGRADE IF POSSIBLE, i suppose. | 15:34 |
notmyname | "all right everyone, we've talked about it for years now, and we've decided to keep everything the same. good talk" | 15:34 |
notmyname | kota_: yeah. I agree | 15:34 |
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notmyname | currently, my opinion is that, like kota_ says, there's reasons to adjust release cycles either way, and so we should choose whatever is best for us as the contributor community | 15:36 |
notmyname | I did chuckle when the question, "would deploying openstack in containers help?" was asked. it's all about the kuuuubes! /cc clayg | 15:37 |
tdasilva | notmyname: in the end i think this would affect very little about how swift community does releases... | 15:38 |
clayg | notmyname: deploying in containers would *totally* help - not only that it would solve all the problems - scaling - rolling upgrades - world peace - kubes solves it all | 15:38 |
notmyname | practically, swift releases every two months (ish) and has an LTS every six months (where "long" is defined as 18 months) | 15:38 |
clayg | for free! | 15:38 |
kota_ | notmyname: at least, I'm looking forward to proxy_fs container image to deploy NFS endpoint with an existing Swift cluster like docker-registory ;) | 15:38 |
notmyname | *mind blown* | 15:39 |
tdasilva | clayg, notmyname: good thread: https://twitter.com/kelseyhightower/status/963413508300812295 | 15:42 |
kota_ | just an idea I like to have if it's possible | 15:42 |
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kota_ | tdasilva: nice | 15:42 |
notmyname | kota_: definitely possible. that's something that's (sortof) being worked on right now. | 15:44 |
kota_ | notmyname: good info! | 15:45 |
acoles | notmyname: did anyone answer you? some of us have been discussing replication of sharding containers in rm 661 | 15:46 |
notmyname | acoles: that's the first answer I got | 15:47 |
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acoles | notmyname: that's cos we've been looking at a flipchart ;-) | 15:53 |
acoles | although I'm not sure anything was written on the flipchart | 15:54 |
openstackgerrit | Clay Gerrard proposed openstack/swift feature/deep: better replication debugging https://review.openstack.org/548330 | 15:59 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift feature/deep: Add note about enabling sharding https://review.openstack.org/548276 | 16:06 |
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notmyname | hmm.... it's not so much that "you have no business contributing maintenance patches because you dont' know the codebase". that's not always an accurate statement. it's that there's a thing called "swift" and it's not appropriate for a 3rd party shouldn't be managing it without also participating in the rest of the swift community | 16:13 |
notmyname | tdasilva: kota_: ^ clarity on what I just said in the room | 16:13 |
tdasilva | notmyname: my take is that it's not about how appropriate but about what reality actually is... | 16:15 |
tdasilva | if you told me today that I need to fix a security issue in cinder, i'd go after a cinder dev, not try to fix it myself... | 16:15 |
tdasilva | so I think the idea that we will pass on the work to another team (that is possiblity not already in the community) is a bit of wishful thinking, in reality i'd guess that work would just turn back to us in one way or another | 16:17 |
notmyname | yeah, that's what I was trying to get at originally. but the counter is that there exists some internal team at a vendor that has committed to understanding an maintaining a project, eg swift. if that team exists, I believe (strongly) that what they produce shouldn't be called "Swift" without them participating with the rest of us | 16:18 |
notmyname | we can't pass off maintenance of older versions to a team that isn't participating with the rest of the community. worst case, they make a right royal mess of it and "swift" now looks bad | 16:19 |
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kota_ | On our Swift community, I don't think community LTS is much matter for now, true? | 16:24 |
notmyname | I don't understand | 16:25 |
kota_ | just keeping open stable branch to be backported some important issues. | 16:25 |
tdasilva | kota_: just for example, I (red hat) will be supporting Newton for a very long time still | 16:25 |
tdasilva | but I'm not sure I (red hat) should be putting that burden on the upstream community | 16:26 |
kota_ | ah... I might mis-read of context of "supporting" | 16:26 |
kota_ | maintaining vs supporting | 16:26 |
openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift feature/deep: Tighten up assertions on the sharded shard https://review.openstack.org/548335 | 16:27 |
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notmyname | tdasilva: (1) maybe upstream should do the work, because distros are the way people use our software; (2) you as tdasilva *do* participate upstream already | 16:29 |
thurloat | and I've been maintaining and supporting a 1.13 + upstream backports versio nfor a dog's age | 16:29 |
notmyname | but if there were a team at red hat that were supporting newton and *not* participating upstream, IMO that should be "redhat-swift" instead of "swift" | 16:30 |
thurloat | trying to shed that baggage as we go, but its not always as simple as keeping master stable and following along in a large org | 16:30 |
kota_ | sounds true. | 16:30 |
kota_ | as well as "swiftstack" instead of "swift"? | 16:31 |
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notmyname | kota_: yeah. if swiftstack isn't participating upstream | 16:31 |
thurloat | what if swiftstack is maintaining their own patches and features while still participating, can tehy still call it swift? | 16:31 |
thurloat | can/should | 16:32 |
notmyname | thurloat: I think we're only talking about maintenance on older releases. IMO your question is different | 16:32 |
tdasilva | thurloat: I think to notmyname's point is that we would not want an "official upstream release of 1.13.500 that is maintained by people who are not swift cores | 16:33 |
notmyname | right | 16:34 |
thurloat | understood, thanks tdasilva | 16:34 |
tdasilva | if it's swiftstack's version of swift 1.13.500, "I don't care" | 16:34 |
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notmyname | tdasilva: lol. yep. you were right. nothing changing :-) | 16:34 |
kota_ | lol | 16:35 |
thurloat | devil's advocate: now what if there were a large userbase stuck in 1.13 land who want the set of patches that whatever non-community member is maintaining -- and swift is so far beyond that that those patches don't even apply upstream | 16:35 |
thurloat | the communityt isn't interested in maintaining a 1.x release anymore | 16:35 |
notmyname | thurloat: to an extent, that's the reality today (at least the fact that there are some people using versions old enough to not be easily maintained by applying current patches). hard to know of "large userbase" or not | 16:37 |
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notmyname | so my gut reaction is that the community shouldn't run away from their users | 16:37 |
notmyname | ie if there are a lot of users using old stuff, the community has a degree of responsibility to support that | 16:38 |
kota_ | oh, yeah, I might be wrong. Even it's upstream code base, too old release is hard to maintain. | 16:38 |
kota_ | espicially, after some code refactoring work. | 16:38 |
tdasilva | i think reality sets in a a community...a community is a group of people that share the same goals/interestest/whatever...if my users, your users and notmyname users are all stuck on 1.13.+ i think naturally we will get together and work together | 16:38 |
notmyname | "support" may simply be answer questions and providing guidance. that's what I think we do today, and it's on the "easy" side of the spectrum | 16:38 |
tdasilva | if it's just my users, i think at some point the community is going to tell me to take a hike | 16:38 |
thurloat | could end up with a python 2/3 situation as a community if its not careful in that regard | 16:39 |
notmyname | that's a really good analogy :-) | 16:39 |
notmyname | but I think the goal should be to do our best to avoid that! | 16:40 |
notmyname | one thing I think we've done well so far is to support upgrades to new versions without having to go through every intermediate release | 16:41 |
thurloat | agreed with that, the upgrade process is pretty brainless | 16:41 |
thurloat | ,s/brainless/seamless/ | 16:42 |
notmyname | thurloat: so in your case, I think it's "our" responsibility (our in quotes only because of the weirdness of assuming for the moment that you somehow aren't part of "us"--but of course you totally are) is to help you when you have questions and issues with your older version and to also encourage you to upgrade! | 16:42 |
kota_ | notmyname: +1 | 16:43 |
thurloat | i think that the project being as big as it is in popularity (and growing), should it discourage people forking to support 1.13 users? i.e. redhat-swift. | 16:43 |
notmyname | IMO we should discourage forking in nearly every case | 16:44 |
notmyname | perfect timing! the conversation in the room is ending, and my laptop is running out of battery! | 16:45 |
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kota_ | lol | 16:45 |
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thurloat | i'm distracting everyone from the conference from the comfort of my office | 16:45 |
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openstackgerrit | Alistair Coles proposed openstack/swift feature/deep: Workaround glitchy container stats in probe test after shrinking https://review.openstack.org/548351 | 16:50 |
clayg | torgomatic: I still need container-replicators to have -p options please | 16:55 |
rledisez | hi guys, alecuyer and I will arrive tomorrow around noon. our flight to Paris is delayed, we'll miss the connection for Dublin tonight. see you tomorrow | 16:56 |
openstackgerrit | Alistair Coles proposed openstack/swift feature/deep: Cleanup ContainerBroker.get_own_shard_range https://review.openstack.org/547478 | 16:56 |
acoles | rledisez: hope you make it | 16:58 |
clayg | rledisez: woot! see you tomorrow! | 16:58 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift feature/deep: Let shard-info work with conf.d https://review.openstack.org/548282 | 17:18 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift feature/deep: Only shrink into an ACTIVE acceptor https://review.openstack.org/548296 | 18:05 |
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kota_ | oh the snow has stopped | 19:27 |
kota_ | rledisez: hope safe journey | 19:29 |
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DHE | is there a CLI tool to make a composite ring, or am I going to have to make my own using the python api? | 20:30 |
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openstackgerrit | Kazuhiro MIYAHARA proposed openstack/swift master: Split expirer methods and parametrize task account https://review.openstack.org/543874 | 22:50 |
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