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| clayg | tdasilva: i'm not sure how exactly but this is 100% related to us -> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-April/114918.html | 00:52 |
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| clayg | If can figure out a sane way by which openstack infra can provide rpm and deb packages of the code openstack needs to deploy the infra they need to test on we've like solved the whole digum | 00:52 |
| clayg | bonus points if we optionally test that old versions of openstack continue to work on the old versions of our dependencies packaged for the distributions available at the time those old versions of openstack was released | 00:53 |
| clayg | and super awesome when a release of openstack includes a list of *all* of it's dependencies versions not just python and people who want to deploy openstack can solve those dependencies or figure out someway to steal upstream packages on the distros upstream tested with | 00:55 |
| kota_ | morning | 00:56 |
| notmyname | hello kota_ | 00:56 |
| kota_ | hello notmyname | 00:57 |
| kota_ | notmyname: how was going on the tc meeting in this morning? | 00:57 |
| kota_ | this? | 00:57 |
| notmyname | it's tomorrow | 00:57 |
| kota_ | eh - ok | 00:57 |
| notmyname | well, "tuesday" and it's already tuesday for you ;-) | 00:57 |
| kota_ | notmyname: kk | 00:57 |
| notmyname | whatever, it's about 20 hours from now | 00:57 |
| notmyname | so far the proposal has positive feedback | 00:58 |
| kota_ | yeah, i saw the gerrit patch you pasted in the last night briefly | 00:58 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/451524/ | 00:59 |
| patchbot | patch 451524 - governance - Use case analysis for Golang addition to Openstack | 00:59 |
| kota_ | notmyname: that one | 00:59 |
| kota_ | it looks like no negative vote so far | 01:00 |
| notmyname | based on previous experience, I won't count on it passing until it actually does ;-) | 01:01 |
| kota_ | notmyname: exactly | 01:01 |
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| kota_ | clayg: thanks for the comment on affinity per policy (patch 382766), I am able to address the acoles's comments in this week | 01:08 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382766/ - swift - Support Read/Write Affinity Per Policy | 01:08 |
| clayg | kota_: sounds great! | 01:09 |
| clayg | kota_: thanks | 01:09 |
| clayg | i've been looking at composite rings all day | 01:09 |
| clayg | well off and on | 01:10 |
| clayg | i keep getting pulled into stuff that's been going on while I was out last week | 01:10 |
| kota_ | clayg: thanks! I am just about to say the composite ring one to ask you to review again :D | 01:10 |
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| clayg | kota_: I'll sleep on composite rings - see if either your or acoles have time to read over and assuage my fears | 03:33 |
| clayg | i need to bolt for now | 03:34 |
| kota_ | clayg: alright, will look at, thanks! | 03:36 |
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| m_kazuhiro | good morning | 04:03 |
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| mahatic | good morning | 04:18 |
| mahatic | m_kazuhiro: o/ | 04:18 |
| m_kazuhiro | mahatic: o/ | 04:18 |
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| mattoliverau | m_kazuhiro, m_kazuhiro morning | 05:31 |
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| m_kazuhiro | mattoliverau: morning! | 06:23 |
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| m_kazuhiro | everyone: If you are interested in swift automated tiering, please visit http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/37 and leave comments or questions. I want to get many opinions about it before boston summit. | 06:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matthew Oliver proposed openstack/swift master: Sharding: use container backends _record_to_dict to simplify _generate_object_list https://review.openstack.org/453032 | 07:02 |
| mattoliverau | acoles: ^ that is one way of simplifiing the sharders _generate_object_list to use the already existing _record_to_dict that the container broker uses. Which can be passed in as a row_transform_func in your patch.. so obviously I'm adding to your chain here :) | 07:04 |
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| acoles | good morning | 07:58 |
| kota_ | acoles: good morning | 07:59 |
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| mattoliverau | acoles: morning | 08:17 |
| mahatic | acoles: good morning | 08:18 |
| acoles | kota_: mattoliverau mahatic o/ | 08:23 |
| kota_ | clayg: I dumped some thought on your comments at patch 441921 but I need more time to think deeply to answer to your question at patchset 11 so I'll continue to review it tommorow | 08:54 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/441921/ - swift - Add Composite Ring Functionality | 08:54 |
| kota_ | acoles: and I think you may have a opinion too. | 08:55 |
| * kota_ has to leave the desk now today | 08:55 | |
| acoles | kota_: thnks yes I'll look at it too | 08:55 |
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| dewanee_ | question about partitions and rebalancing | 14:42 |
| dewanee_ | anyone up for it? | 14:42 |
| dewanee_ | I'll write it out: | 14:42 |
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| dewanee_ | I have two ring of the same cluster at two different moment in time. If I try to rebalance them to end up in the same final state (i.e. all device with the same weight) in one case I have the same number of partitions per device while in the other end up with a quite steep unbalance (about 1:4) between devices. | 14:45 |
| dewanee_ | object rings | 14:45 |
| dewanee_ | any idea why? | 14:45 |
| dewanee_ | is there any fixed limit on number of partitions it can rebalance? | 14:47 |
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| xinli | I am a new one in this community, and we will support swift service in our cloud enviorment, I want to build a devSteck dev and unit test environmnet. Any document link to build the environment? | 15:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alistair Coles proposed openstack/swift master: Add id to RingBuilder to differentiate rings in composite https://review.openstack.org/449310 | 15:04 |
| acoles | xinli: many devs use a 'swift-all-in-one' for testing https://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/development_saio.html | 15:04 |
| acoles | xinli: however, that does not use devstack, just installs swift | 15:05 |
| xinli | +acoles: if I want to review the code or patticipate fixing bug, which platform should I use? | 15:06 |
| acoles | xinli: there is also this resource, which I have not yet tried myself, https://github.com/swiftstack/vagrant-swift-devstack | 15:07 |
| xinli | +acoles: I will try both of them. If you want to submit new patch, how do you create your local repository? | 15:08 |
| acoles | xinli: you should read this https://github.com/openstack/swift/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.rst | 15:08 |
| xinli | +acoles: cool, I got three links, thanks | 15:09 |
| acoles | and this https://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/first_contribution_swift.html | 15:09 |
| acoles | four links :) | 15:09 |
| xinli | :) | 15:09 |
| tdasilva | xinli: welcome | 15:09 |
| acoles | xinli: also, ask questions here (like you already have) | 15:09 |
| xinli | +tdasilva thanks a lot. | 15:10 |
| acoles | xinli: note that at some point you will need to go through the general openstack signup process dcoumented here https://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/developers.html so it is worth working through those steps. | 15:11 |
| xinli | +acoles: I have worked in cinder for one year and delivered several patches, it seems the same process for configre the Gerrit | 15:29 |
| acoles | xinli: yes it will be, just different project repo | 15:31 |
| xinli | +acoles: I have the global git and git review setup in my VM for submit the cinder patch, is there any extra steps I need to follow? | 15:31 |
| xinli | +acoles: got it, thanks | 15:32 |
| acoles | xinli: not that I recall, global git config should be ok for all projects | 15:32 |
| xinli | +acoles: great. | 15:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Alistair Coles proposed openstack/swift master: Add id to RingBuilder to differentiate rings in composite https://review.openstack.org/449310 | 15:33 |
| acoles | kota_: clayg: ^^ I revived this, left as a follow on to make easier to review but if we think this works then we can squash it in (it replaces the source attr) | 15:34 |
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| notmyname | good morning | 15:54 |
| notmyname | xinli: welcome | 15:54 |
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| xinli | +notmyname: thank you | 15:55 |
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| notmyname | clayg: tdasilva: I didn't realize the ubuntu cloud archive would solve all our problems. that's really interesting | 15:56 |
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| tdasilva | notmyname, tdasilva: just looked up UCA, it looks similar to what RDO is doing on centos side?? where they make a repo avaiable for each openstack release??? | 16:05 |
| tdasilva | lol | 16:05 |
| tdasilva | notmyname, clayg ^^^ | 16:05 |
| tdasilva | i'm not crazy and typically don't talk to myself | 16:06 |
| notmyname | "typically" | 16:06 |
| notmyname | I'm not really that familiar with UCA (or RDO) but yeah if it means that we can be more in control of what's packaged and also what's tested, that seems good | 16:07 |
| tdasilva | clayg: so I don't know how *we* can have more control, but from what I know in the RDO case, for swift for example, they package whatever we (swift) mark as the version for that release. | 16:11 |
| tdasilva | back to clayg's question about being able to test older releases, the different RDO repos would allow for that I believe. So you could install the "mitaka" repo and that would contain the swift, libec, pyeclib of that release, if I understand correctly | 16:13 |
| tdasilva | plus fixes we have made in stable releases... | 16:14 |
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| notmyname | hmmm... comment from zaneb on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367915/ | 16:26 |
| notmyname | I've been talking with the docs team this morning (hi asettle) | 16:30 |
| notmyname | we've agreed that in The Future (tm) the swift team will maintain our config option docs at https://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/deployment_guide.html#common-configuration and sample configs, and the docs team will link to them instead of keeping their docs manuall updated | 16:30 |
| * asettle waves | 16:31 | |
| asettle | Thanks notmyname :) | 16:31 |
| notmyname | asettle: did I capture that corrently? | 16:31 |
| clarkb | tdasilva: yes that basically it, other things to consider are that once a new LTS comes out they stop making UCA repos for the old LTS. And they won't make a UCA repo for the current LTS until the next openstack release after the LTS release | 16:32 |
| asettle | Got it in one notmyname :) | 16:32 |
| asettle | ANy questions, fire at me (or like, don't, I'm sensitive) | 16:32 |
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| asettle | I gotta roll - thanks for the update notmyname :D | 16:32 |
| notmyname | noooo! patch 448104 | 16:32 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448104/ - requirements - Revert "Update eventlet uc to 0.20.1" | 16:32 |
| notmyname | asettle: good night | 16:32 |
| tdasilva | clarkb: ack, interesting. I wonder how that affects the gate testing. Basically we cant add a new LTS node flavor until there's an openstack release for it??? | 16:34 |
| clarkb | tdasilva: so far for our normal gate testing we've just entirely ignored UCA because historically its been unreliable, but apparently its what people use in the real world and old libvirt has problems so I've proposed we start using it in devstack at least (thread on mailing list) | 16:35 |
| clarkb | tdasilva: if you look there is currently a pike repo but all of its contents are the ocata contents from what I can tell so its a place holder until the next release happens (I think, canonical/ubuntu would have to confirm that) | 16:36 |
| tdasilva | clarkb: looking up the thread | 16:37 |
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| notmyname | is the TC meeting at 1900 or 2000 UTC? | 16:48 |
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| xinli | +notmtname: in the link of "All in one" I am using a vm, there is no /dve/sd?, should I use loop device or I could use the virtual disk /dev/vd? | 17:31 |
| xinli | https://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/development_saio.html | 17:31 |
| acoles | xinli: I use a VM with a second virtual block device. BTW you mistyped his nick - notmyname | 17:33 |
| xinli | +acoles: thanks | 17:34 |
| notmyname | I prefer to have VirtualBox expose "real" drives to the SAIO | 17:34 |
| notmyname | but using a loop device works too | 17:34 |
| clayg | good morning | 17:44 |
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| clayg | notmyname: it's more like clarkb and all of openstack really has exactly the same problems with non-python dependencies. I'm sure to some extent OpenStack has been involved in fixing libvert and openvswitch bugs (maybe driving features) - but openstack hasn't really had a way to specificy a dependency on a new non-python release and test it in the gate. clarkb is looking at UCA, tdasilva is looking at RDO, it's all the same | 17:48 |
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| clarkb | part of the problem too is we don't want to go in our corner and make our own distro that requires openstack users to fabricobble some sort of working set of deps on their own | 18:02 |
| clarkb | which means relying on distros as they provide the software the vast majority of our users are going to use | 18:02 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: 2000 UTC | 18:04 |
| clayg | clarkb: I think I grok that - and understanding when we say we "require" version xyz of thing - it's still a valuable point of fact to understand "do we still *work* on LTS old distro xyz's packaged version of thing" - then you make the call to carry the cruft or abandon that distro to the version they currently ship | 18:13 |
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| clayg | but what we did with python moved forward regardless of the distro's and didn't look back | 18:14 |
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| acoles | kota_: clayg : I update https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/composite_rings with a section title "Proposals" to try to clarify next steps | 18:25 |
| acoles | hmm, dropped all my 'd's in that sentence | 18:26 |
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| notmyname | for those that like graphs with dubious practical utility, I've created one that is the count of log files by date for the QA cluster job logs | 18:31 |
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| notmyname | http://d.not.mn/logs_by_day.png | 18:32 |
| notmyname | after lunch today, I'll be deleting a bunch of these. currently, i'm guessing i'll delete anything before 2017. and i'll probably add some expiry to the logs to only keep them for a month (or two? idk) | 18:35 |
| notmyname | please speak up if you have some reason to keep older logs around | 18:35 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: I just got back from lunch. lurking in the tc meeting | 20:10 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: me too | 20:10 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: lurking, lunch was a while back ;) | 20:10 |
| clayg | acoles: the write up on the etherpad was grea! excellent work! I'm sorry I let the implementation get so far along w/o realizing the implications of some of the choices | 20:29 |
| clayg | FWIW I feel like the module is shaping up to be really robust - much better than I imagined - I'm feeling better and better about moving forward with swift-ring-composer | 20:29 |
| clayg | kota_: acoles: great work and KUDOS! | 20:29 |
| clayg | I'll look at patch 449310 next | 20:30 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/449310/ - swift - Add id to RingBuilder to differentiate rings in co... | 20:30 |
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| mattoliverau | Morning | 22:26 |
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