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zaitcev | Anyone else gets 500 when trying to review something? | 00:04 |
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openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift: Don't include conditional headers in SLO HEAD requests https://review.openstack.org/305440 | 00:26 |
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clarkb | zaitcev: was it only happening around 0000UTC? | 00:30 |
clarkb | db backups happen then and may be the culprit | 00:30 |
clarkb | mordred has plans for making that less bad | 00:30 |
zaitcev | Dunno... It was strange. I'm used to patch queue moving slowly, but the reviews themselves were quite reliable over the years. | 00:31 |
clarkb | basically at 0000UTC (31 minutes ago) we dump the db for backup purposes | 00:32 |
clarkb | this does locks aiui amd if you attempt to make changes and cant get a lock it may 500 | 00:32 |
zaitcev | I see. Lucky! | 00:32 |
clarkb | the fix is to run a slave db and backup off that | 00:33 |
clarkb | we just havent implemented this yet | 00:33 |
zaitcev | It's okay, just unexpected. | 00:35 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-swiftclient: Fix downloading from "marker" item https://review.openstack.org/300853 | 02:02 |
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openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift: Don't include conditional headers in SLO HEAD requests https://review.openstack.org/305440 | 04:56 |
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openstackgerrit | Andy McCrae proposed openstack/swift: Allow fallocate_reserve to be a percentage https://review.openstack.org/288011 | 06:35 |
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openstackgerrit | Alistair Coles proposed openstack/swift: crypto - cleanup unit tests https://review.openstack.org/304163 | 08:22 |
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openstackgerrit | Dmitriy Ukhlov proposed openstack/swift: Adds eventlet monkey patching of select module if thread is pathed https://review.openstack.org/303401 | 08:55 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift: crypto - cleanup unit tests https://review.openstack.org/304163 | 11:05 |
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openstackgerrit | dharmendra kushwaha proposed openstack/swift: Removing unused clause https://review.openstack.org/254278 | 11:12 |
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openstackgerrit | Mahati Chamarthy proposed openstack/swift: follow up from multipart mime review https://review.openstack.org/305768 | 11:32 |
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openstackgerrit | Alistair Coles proposed openstack/swift: crypto - only set body crypto meta if body is read and encrypted https://review.openstack.org/305794 | 12:21 |
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tdasilva | good morning | 12:40 |
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mahatic | acoles: hi, i don't see any func test failures on 305768.. I have the latest code of feature crypto - last commit being "cleanup unit tests" | 13:13 |
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mahatic | acoles: nosetests ./test/functional/test_object.py:TestObject.test_manifest - this runs ok | 13:14 |
mahatic | and other func tests as well | 13:15 |
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acoles | mahatic: *all* tests pass?? | 13:15 |
mahatic | acoles: yeah! | 13:16 |
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acoles | mahatic: do you have crypto installed? | 13:16 |
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acoles | we don't pass all tests yet on the feature branch | 13:17 |
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* mahatic checks the nail biting question | 13:17 | |
acoles | :) | 13:17 |
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mahatic | acoles: you're right. I had another branch with copy patches i think. but where i ran tests now doesn't have crypto. will run them and post back, sory | 13:19 |
mahatic | sorry* | 13:19 |
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acoles | mahatic: re your patch, bear in mind that a server can return 206 for a single part range response as well as multipart | 13:21 |
acoles | mahatic: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7233#section-4.1 | 13:21 |
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mahatic | acoles: yes thank you for pointing out | 13:22 |
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openstackgerrit | Mahati Chamarthy proposed openstack/swift: follow up from multipart mime review https://review.openstack.org/305768 | 13:45 |
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mahatic | acoles: ^ checking both 206 and multipart as you pointed, thanks | 13:48 |
mahatic | acoles: i only have copy failures and test_POST with that | 13:48 |
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acoles | mahatic: ok. thanks. I'm out tomorrow so may be next week before I get back round to that. | 13:49 |
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mahatic | acoles: ok, have a nice weekend! | 13:50 |
acoles | maybe timburke could check it's what he meant in original comment? its a tiny patch 305768 | 13:50 |
patchbot | acoles: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/305768/ - swift (feature/crypto) - follow up from multipart mime review | 13:50 |
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acoles | mahatic: you gotta make that commit title say something meaningful ;-) | 13:51 |
mahatic | acoles: :) i wrote a commit message ;) will update, i wil do it from gerrit | 13:52 |
acoles | yay for gerrit editing :) | 13:53 |
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mahatic | acoles: except i don't see commit message editing in new gerrit (my first attempt in the new UI) :\ | 13:54 |
acoles | mahatic: you have to select the commit message for review now, then there is an edit button somewhere | 13:55 |
acoles | mahatic: i find it quicker to do it OMM | 13:55 |
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openstackgerrit | Mahati Chamarthy proposed openstack/swift: 206 status check for multipart mime doc https://review.openstack.org/305768 | 13:57 |
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mahatic | acoles: done in gerrit, yay! | 13:58 |
acoles | mahatic: thanks. i love it! | 13:59 |
pdardeau | good morning | 13:59 |
mahatic | acoles: hahal ok, im glad | 13:59 |
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acoles | mahatic: are you joining the phone conf now? | 14:02 |
mahatic | acoles: I am on phone conf. It says "You're in our virtual lobby, organizer will let you in soon" | 14:02 |
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acoles | mahatic: ok i let you in | 14:03 |
acoles | thats new to me! | 14:03 |
mahatic | acoles: thanks, i'm in | 14:03 |
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acoles | tdasilva: you about for the phone call? | 14:04 |
tdasilva | yeah, trying to call in now | 14:04 |
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acoles | tdasilva: great | 14:05 |
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diazjf1 | acoles, jrichli, mahatic, tdasilva, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271517/ https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-barbican-design-sessions | 14:08 |
patchbot | diazjf1: patch 271517 - security-specs - Bring Your Own Key Implementation | 14:08 |
diazjf1 | acoles. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cEA79A5fG1 | 14:13 |
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diazjf1 | acoles, http://developer.openstack.org/api-guide/key-manager/acls.html | 14:34 |
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tdasilva | acoles: have a great weekend! | 14:49 |
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Vinsh | notmyname: Some before and after splice() charts on the way later today. A bigger improvement worth noting here - since it's not mentioned anywhere in swift docs our source code.. and only barely brought up in a mail thread from 2013... is token chaching with keystone. Using swift.cache with keystone middlware is horrible. | 15:32 |
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Vinsh | I moved the memcached_servers list up to the authtoken section. removed the swift.cache config.. and see 20% more requests/second in this cluster. | 15:33 |
Vinsh | swift.cache doesn't actually do any useful token chaching. it still hits keystone for every request. | 15:34 |
Vinsh | point keystone middleware directly at memcached.. and things are cached as expected. | 15:34 |
Vinsh | I bet response time is way better too. | 15:35 |
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hurricanerix | notmyname where is your website at where you list top 20 or so reviews weighted by them being starred? | 16:15 |
notmyname | good morning, world | 16:18 |
notmyname | hurricanerix: it's in the chanel topic | 16:18 |
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notmyname | Vinsh: interesting. is that because your users are reauthing for every request and not getting the same token back from keystone? | 16:19 |
notmyname | Vinsh: what keystone token type are you using? | 16:20 |
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notmyname | Vinsh: thanks for the info. I'm really interested in those results and seeing the config changes you did | 16:22 |
Vinsh | notmyname: The user caches their token.. but swift checks that token against keystone everytime | 16:23 |
Vinsh | *when configured using swift.cache | 16:23 |
notmyname | when keystone is configured that way? | 16:24 |
Vinsh | Yeah | 16:24 |
Vinsh | which is default in all the swift docs | 16:24 |
notmyname | hmm...what I remember is that functionality was added so that we specifically wouldn't check keystone every time | 16:24 |
Vinsh | You can however take "memcache_servers" from the "filter:cache" section. rename it to "memcached_servers" and move it up to "authtoken" | 16:24 |
notmyname | Vinsh: can you pastebin a config snippet of before and after? | 16:25 |
Vinsh | Sure thing. | 16:25 |
Vinsh | I melted out lab keystone nodes with my benchmarking. :) so I was motivated to finally look closer at our token caching or lack thereof. | 16:25 |
hurricanerix | notmyname doh! ok, thanks! | 16:26 |
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notmyname | hurricanerix: I'm refreshing it now. hadn't been doing that while I was traveling | 16:28 |
pdardeau | notmyname: thx again for your time with OSIC team. happy to hear you made it home safely. | 16:30 |
Vinsh | notmyname: http://paste.openstack.org/show/494101/ | 16:31 |
notmyname | pdardeau: my pleasure. great to meet everyone, and, I hope, help out | 16:31 |
notmyname | ntata: great review on patch 305405 :-) | 16:31 |
patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/305405/ - swift - fix fallocate_reserve traceback | 16:31 |
pdardeau | notmyname: extremely helpful! | 16:31 |
notmyname | Vinsh: thanks. will look in just a bit | 16:32 |
Vinsh | notmyname: might get that perf I'm going for if I can keep digging up 20% increases :D | 16:33 |
notmyname | :-) | 16:33 |
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openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift: Add multipart content-type test https://review.openstack.org/305976 | 16:39 |
notmyname | hurricanerix: dashboard is updated | 16:39 |
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acoles | timburke: thanks for that test | 16:45 |
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timburke | no problem. i was the one to point out that we should check response code, so when i saw that patch go by, i figured i ought to take a look and help out | 16:46 |
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acoles | timburke: can I delete line 485 here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/305976/1/test/unit/common/middleware/test_decrypter.py before merging? | 16:58 |
patchbot | acoles: patch 305976 - swift (feature/crypto) - Add multipart content-type test | 16:58 |
acoles | It would fail pep8 I think? | 16:58 |
timburke | oh yeah, good call. i'd commented it out because i wasn't sure whether it would be necessary. by the time i'd confirmed that it wasn't, i'd forgotten about it :P | 16:59 |
timburke | i'll throw up a new patchset | 17:00 |
acoles | timburke: i was just enjoying the gerrit editor :) shall I change or you? | 17:00 |
openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift: Add multipart content-type test https://review.openstack.org/305976 | 17:01 |
timburke | too late! | 17:01 |
notmyname | redbo: FYI, new pypy instructions http://d.not.mn/PyPyDeployment_rev1.pdf | 17:01 |
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bkeller` | timburke, is there a reason that patch 285754 is only for accounts/containers (not objects)? | 17:05 |
patchbot | bkeller`: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285754/ - swift - Require account/container metadata be UTF-8 | 17:05 |
acoles | timburke: thanks. done. | 17:05 |
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timburke | bkeller`: objects can have non-utf-8 metadata. not sure why you'd want it, and it would certainly break from HTTP spec, but i wanted to limit the patch to just fixing the 500s that would be hit on account/container servers | 17:07 |
bkeller` | ah, alright, thanks | 17:07 |
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openstackgerrit | Alistair Coles proposed openstack/swift: Encrypt/decrypt etag in container listing https://review.openstack.org/275492 | 17:36 |
openstackgerrit | Alistair Coles proposed openstack/swift: Update container with correct etag on POST https://review.openstack.org/305995 | 17:36 |
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openstackgerrit | Alistair Coles proposed openstack/swift: crypto - Update container with correct etag on POST https://review.openstack.org/305995 | 17:38 |
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redbo | notmyname: That's basically what I did. But I gave up, pypy was pretty consistently like 10% slower than cpython on my benchmarks. | 17:52 |
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acoles | clayg: ping | 17:57 |
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acoles | clayg: nm. just realised I only had +1 on patch 292661 and there's no reason not to merge imho. | 18:01 |
patchbot | acoles: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292661/ - swift - Make rsync ignore it's own temporary files | 18:01 |
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acoles | But I am curious if anyone knows what the character set is for mkstemp suffixes? | 18:01 |
* acoles is ooo til Monday | 18:02 | |
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bendre101 | Hello everyone. I can't find anywhere in the documentation of Openstack Swift if there is any way to protect against application (or human) error causing thousands of unwanted delete requests. Swift seems to be pretty much indestructible hardware wise, but how can you backup your swift cluster to recover unwanted delete? | 18:11 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift: 206 status check for multipart mime doc https://review.openstack.org/305768 | 18:12 |
tdasilva | bendre101: there's currently no official way to prevent that. Swiftstack has a swift_undelete middleware that you could test here: https://github.com/swiftstack/swift_undelete. More recently, there's been some discussion around building something in swift core. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155421/4/specs/in_progress/object_undelete.rst. timburke also has a really nice plan to provide some data protection mechanis | 18:22 |
tdasilva | m using object versioning and a new "default" middleware | 18:22 |
patchbot | tdasilva: patch 155421 - swift-specs - Add object undelete spec (ABANDONED) | 18:22 |
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timburke | bendre101: fwiw, i don't really like the swift_undelete middleware. it splits up the responsibilities of protecting against deletes and protecting against overwrites, which means you need to version your undelete container and undelete protect your versions container, and you now have a whole bunch of locations to check when trying to restore an old version. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214922/ seems much more promising | 18:27 |
patchbot | timburke: patch 214922 - swift - Add "history" mode to versioned_writes middleware | 18:27 |
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bendre101 | I saw the undelete middleware but it's been a year since the last commit, I'd worry a bit too much on a multi petabytes deployment | 18:33 |
bendre101 | So there are no solution to either undelete files or to simply backup Swift to another cluster ? You need to manage that with a middleware ? | 18:34 |
bendre101 | I saw the container sync functionality but it doesn't seem to allow a one-way only sync | 18:36 |
openstackgerrit | oshritf proposed openstack/swift: Per container stat. report https://review.openstack.org/281814 | 18:38 |
Vinsh | bendre101: I sort of feel like if someone is worried about that kind of thing.. they are doing it wrong. | 18:41 |
Vinsh | A user should only have scope as far as their own account. An admin account should be tightly controlled. | 18:42 |
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Vinsh | If a user deletes things.. it only impacts their account etc. Keep it all segmented. | 18:42 |
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bendre101 | Vinsh: is it possible to block the delete action for a specific user ? | 18:44 |
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Vinsh | Depends. there are account/container acls you could mess with. http://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/overview_auth.html#tempauth | 18:46 |
Vinsh | ^^ if using tempauth. | 18:46 |
NM | bendre101: Our team use an undelete plugin. Do you think that might work for you? | 18:46 |
Vinsh | if using keystone. I suppose you could extend some middleware to filter which users can delete. | 18:47 |
Vinsh | I still think it's the wrong approach. A user should only have access/scope to limited area. | 18:48 |
Vinsh | Limit the damage they can do. what scenario do you foresee with everything being deleted? | 18:48 |
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bendre101 | NM: is it the swift_undelete middleware ? It might work but it needs to be production ready | 18:53 |
Vinsh | Do you have single users with access to all data in the entire cluster? | 18:53 |
bendre101 | Vinsh: a single application using Swift as a massive storage backend to store millions of generated files | 18:53 |
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bendre101 | (small pdfs that have legal value) | 18:54 |
Vinsh | Probably best to spread them across more then one tenant. Explicit access required to a segment of each of them. | 18:55 |
Vinsh | I dunno.. I feel like that app has to have the smarts... solving the problem in swift seems odd to me (IMO). | 18:56 |
Vinsh | I'm sure this can be argued many ways. | 18:56 |
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Vinsh | bendre101: do you use keystone with swift? | 18:57 |
Vinsh | Give this a good read: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/misc.html | 18:58 |
bendre101 | Vinsh: we are in the analysis phase, so it's a possibility | 18:58 |
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Vinsh | You could use the container ACL method listed in that last link. | 18:59 |
Vinsh | Say "user bendre is read only" | 18:59 |
openstackgerrit | Janie Richling proposed openstack/swift: Encrypt/decrypt etag in container listing https://review.openstack.org/275492 | 18:59 |
Vinsh | more examples here: https://swiftstack.com/docs/cookbooks/swift_usage/container_acl.html | 19:00 |
ahale | whats the difference if the app accidently deletes all the pdfs or if it reuploads 0 byte writes over them all | 19:00 |
Vinsh | exactly | 19:00 |
bendre101 | Thank you for the links Vinsh | 19:00 |
bendre101 | that's a very good point ahale, idealy for our need the storage backend would prevent any file overide (with an acl ?) | 19:01 |
Vinsh | perfect.. you set the container write ACL to "not for anyone" or something. | 19:02 |
Vinsh | again though.. segment files across containers and accounts. control access properly.. etc. | 19:02 |
bendre101 | yes but we still need to write to put the generated pdfs in swift | 19:02 |
lakshmiS_ | timur: I was going through your comments on the searchlight spec and want to how does this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304332/ help in making a call from swift to searchlight. | 19:03 |
patchbot | lakshmiS_: patch 304332 - swift - Expand the container server API to allow "since". | 19:03 |
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lakshmiS_ | will there be an async process on swift which keeps listening to changes on swift and calls searchlight? | 19:04 |
lakshmiS_ | rather than being in the active pipeline of middleware? | 19:04 |
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timur | lakshmiS_: there needs to be something written to use that patch, but the idea is to continue listing all container changes and propagate them to search light. This would be a cheaper way to pickup any changes that have not been propagated to searchlight already (during an outage or a partition or any other reason). It's possible that it would also be sufficient to use this mechanism and not use | 19:19 |
timur | any in-path middleware, but I'm not clear on the latency we would observe as the number of swift operations increases | 19:19 |
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timur | another benefit is that changes to searchlight could be made using the bulk API, rather than individual index requests, which should give better performance on the ES side | 19:20 |
lakshmiS_ | and that "something" would be listener process running separately on swift server? | 19:21 |
timur | lakshmiS_: right, except it would need to poll the database for changes | 19:21 |
timur | it could be ok if latencies on the order of seconds are acceptable from the searchlight side. I'd imagine that should be acceptable, but I don't know all of the requirements | 19:22 |
lakshmiS_ | I am willing to right that. i like that "bulk" part of it | 19:22 |
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timur | great! | 19:23 |
timur | I don't know how much time you spent looking at the ElasticSearch APIs, but here is the bulk API reference: https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/current/docs-bulk.html | 19:23 |
lakshmiS_ | its a two sided sword. good from performance for both searchlight and swift. and at the same time have to tune the latency on polling the db without impacting the performance of swift db | 19:23 |
lakshmiS_ | yes we do use bulk api in searchlight for indexing today | 19:24 |
clayg | heyoh! | 19:24 |
timur | excellent. Agreed that tuning the polling will be a balancing act | 19:25 |
NM | bendre101: Well, we are running it in production :) | 19:28 |
lakshmiS_ | thanks for clarification. will try to read up on the swift db code. also i wanted to check with you about elasticsearch client code that were working on - john mentioned yesterday. | 19:28 |
lakshmiS_ | there will be some things specific to searchlight mappings but want to check it out before starting fresh on es library | 19:29 |
timur | sure thing. Let me know how I can help | 19:30 |
lakshmiS_ | i meant, do you already have it coded somewhere thats online to view? | 19:31 |
timur | oh, I see. SwiftStack hasn't made it public thus far. I can answer questions about the approach, but I'll have to check if it's something we plan to make public | 19:33 |
lakshmiS_ | ok no issues. it is going to be a thin layer on top of elasticsearch python library. I will add you as reviewer on the patch | 19:34 |
timur | sounds good | 19:35 |
bendre101 | NM: can I ask how much data you have in total ? Do you use swift versioning functionality to protect against overwiting existing data? | 19:37 |
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NM | bendre101: I think we have arround 400 GB in use and 350M requests/day. | 19:42 |
NM | And yes, we use versioning. | 19:42 |
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dukhlov | Hi! | 19:48 |
dukhlov | Could anybody review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/303401/ | 19:48 |
patchbot | dukhlov: patch 303401 - swift - Adds eventlet monkey patching of select module if ... | 19:48 |
dukhlov | ? | 19:48 |
bendre101 | NM: I think we'll take a closer look to this middleware, thanks | 19:49 |
bendre101 | thank you for your help and explanations ! | 19:49 |
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timur | lakshmiS_: I had one question about the middleware you were using previously. Which headers did you find missing from the response? | 19:54 |
lakshmiS_ | let me check | 19:55 |
lakshmiS_ | one of my colleague did that patch. I will check with him or else i will update the spec after running the diff between them | 19:58 |
lakshmiS_ | top of my head, fields like object count on a container which comes through API call | 19:59 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift: Make rsync ignore it's own temporary files https://review.openstack.org/292661 | 20:02 |
notmyname | bendre101: FWIW, I've helped a customer do WORM-like stuff in swift before. it requires some other external system to know what can and can't be overwritten (in this case, the customer already had that exact system in place for other uses, so it was possible to make) | 20:02 |
notmyname | bendre101: but looking at "just" swift, there's no way to effectively prevent overwrites 100% of the time (considering HW failures and adjusting capacity) | 20:03 |
mminesh | ? | 20:05 |
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notmyname | mmotiani: looks like you can still register for the summit (at full price). that's probably the thing to do at this point, if you're going (/cc pdardeau) | 20:11 |
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bendre101 | notmyname: overwrites are not as deal breaker as long as you can go back to the original version quickly (wich seems to be the case with versioning). But can you elaborate on "HW failures"? My understanding is that with replicats and sufficiant amount of nodes, HW failures can't really cause loss of data | 20:21 |
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timur | lakshmiS_: makes sense. I was looking at the headers in the patch you had uploaded before and couldn't tell what would be the missing header from that code | 20:25 |
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timur | and sorry, not headers, but the keys and values in the elasticsearch documents | 20:27 |
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lakshmiS_ | i checked with him but doesn't remember top of his head. so i am running through each of the field to check it to make sure that's true | 20:28 |
timur | ok. I wouldn't spend too much time on it, maybe, but it'd be good to document the required fields in the requirements document | 20:30 |
timur | at least it would make it obvious to others why certain choices are made | 20:30 |
lakshmiS_ | sure | 20:31 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift: Add multipart content-type test https://review.openstack.org/305976 | 20:55 |
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klamath | has anyone used the xfs option "delaylog" with swift? | 21:03 |
notmyname | klamath: I've not used it. but a quick google search shows that it might be an older option that is deprecated/removed http://oss.sgi.com/archives/xfs/2015-02/msg00306.html | 21:06 |
klamath | looks like it is the default now | 21:07 |
klamath | thanks notmyname saved me a benchmarking run | 21:08 |
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notmyname | jrichli: your picture is on page 48 of the openstack user survey | 21:49 |
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notmyname | FYI the survey link is http://www.openstack.org/assets/survey/April-2016-User-Survey-Report.pdf | 21:52 |
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notmyname | on swift info, seems that about 153 people (of 290 respondents) said they are running swift | 21:54 |
notmyname | and 73/72 people responded to the questions about how big their clusters are | 21:54 |
tdasilva | notmyname: 153 out 290 is roughly 50%, do you know where that 30% number comes from? | 21:55 |
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notmyname | what 30% number? | 21:55 |
notmyname | (it's actually 53% | 21:55 |
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notmyname | I got those from page 31 | 21:56 |
notmyname | n=290, and 53% said they were using swift | 21:56 |
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tdasilva | ok, 53% total, got it | 21:56 |
tdasilva | prod + testing | 21:56 |
notmyname | and seems that thee were 1603 survey respondents overall | 21:57 |
notmyname | (page 4) | 21:57 |
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jrichli | notmyname: yes, tdasilva mentioned it the other day. I think i will be noticing the people with cameras a little more next time :-) | 21:59 |
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openstackgerrit | Janie Richling proposed openstack/swift: Encrypt/decrypt etag in container listing https://review.openstack.org/275492 | 22:46 |
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jrichli | tdasilva: just left a comment for you on patch 305794 | 22:53 |
patchbot | jrichli: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/305794/ - swift (feature/crypto) - crypto - only set body crypto meta if body is read... | 22:53 |
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openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Add v1password keystoneauth plugin https://review.openstack.org/300697 | 23:22 |
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