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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift: go: object server SYNC report newer files https://review.openstack.org/184617 | 00:35 |
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| ho | mattoliverau: around? | 00:38 |
| mattoliverau | Morning ho, yup here | 00:38 |
| ho | mattoliverau: morning! thanks for the review. I don't understand "Since we are in the replicate function here" means. could you explain it? | 00:39 |
| ho | mattolverau: I don't think there is replicate function. | 00:39 |
| ho | mattoliverau: patch 138342 | 00:39 |
| patchbot | ho: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138342/ | 00:39 |
| mattoliverau | The _replicate_object function your in is the point at which db replication call replicate object to a node. So you should always know which node failed to replicate on | 00:42 |
| ho | mattoliverau: which line num. do I have repliacate logic? | 00:44 |
| ho | mattoliverau: sorry. I re-write. could you tell me line num of replicate logic? | 00:46 |
| mattoliverau | ho: 537 | 00:48 |
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| ho | mattoliverau: I think the definition of replication succeed is finish "the basic replication procedure" without errors so til L564 it is difficult to decide whether it succeeded or not. | 00:52 |
| ho | mattoliverau: http://paste.openstack.org/show/180912/ (a comment on patch#7) | 00:52 |
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| kota_ | Good morning! | 01:08 |
| ho | kota_: morning! | 01:09 |
| mattoliverau | ho: well in the old code, the success and failures were incremented per node, and if your going to send to recon the nodes that have the problem, the nodes that were successful aren't problem nodes. Wont that just confuse OPs.. looking for a problem on a node that didn't have one? | 01:22 |
| mattoliverau | kota_: morning | 01:22 |
| ho | mattoliverau: I didn't have one. replication works per db/partition and if the old code uses, the result consists of aggregation of replications. it might look like a problem but it's kind of same with the latest code | 01:32 |
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| kota_ | ho, mattoliverau: morning :) | 01:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Hisashi Osanai proposed openstack/swift: Enable Object Replicator's failure count in recon https://review.openstack.org/138342 | 04:57 |
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| swifterdarrell | cschwede: you see my comment at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184189/ ? | 05:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kota Tsuyuzaki proposed openstack/swift: WIP: Fix missing container update https://review.openstack.org/186735 | 05:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kota Tsuyuzaki proposed openstack/swift: Prevent to decode with invalid ec scheme https://review.openstack.org/177195 | 05:44 |
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| cschwede | Good Morning! | 06:03 |
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| ho | cschwede: Morning! | 06:04 |
| cschwede | swifterdarrell: yes, thanks a lot for the numbers! first impression is that your patch makes quite a big difference in terms of performance. that looks great! | 06:06 |
| cschwede | ho: Hello! | 06:06 |
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| mattoliverau | cschwede: morning | 06:28 |
| cschwede | mattoliverau: Hello! | 06:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift: Tighten up overall metadata size tests https://review.openstack.org/187264 | 06:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kota Tsuyuzaki proposed openstack/swift: WIP: Fix missing container update https://review.openstack.org/186735 | 07:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Hisashi Osanai proposed openstack/swift: Add metadata size tests on the border https://review.openstack.org/187489 | 08:13 |
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| ho | my review for patch #187264 didn't meet the dead line. So I added two more tests on it with above patch #187489. | 08:14 |
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| acoles | minwoob: yes i will take a look at your review - been busy sorry! | 09:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alistair Coles proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Document missing functional test config option https://review.openstack.org/187503 | 09:17 |
| acoles | timburke: ^^ this is the one useful part of my abandoned skip-identical patch ;) | 09:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift-bench: add storage policy option https://review.openstack.org/184590 | 10:02 |
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| dimasot | Hi where I can find the version of the Swift durability calculator that supports EC ? this one supports replicas only - http://enovance.github.io/swift-durability-calculator/ | 10:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Alistair Coles proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Document missing functional test config option https://review.openstack.org/187503 | 10:14 |
| cschwede | dimasot: you’re looking for the fork from kota - it’s here: https://github.com/bloodeagle40234/swift-durability-calculator/tree/ec_calculator | 10:19 |
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| acoles | notmyname: i added a couple of reviews to priority reviews page that have been hanging around for ages, hope thats ok! | 11:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/swift: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/88736 | 13:28 |
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| acoles | notmyname: some other backports that never got merged: patch 134082 | 13:30 |
| patchbot | acoles: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134082/ | 13:30 |
| acoles | patch 146211 | 13:31 |
| patchbot | acoles: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/146211/ | 13:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Prashanth Pai proposed openstack/swift: Refactor server side copy as middleware https://review.openstack.org/156923 | 13:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Prashanth Pai proposed openstack/swift: versioned writes middleware https://review.openstack.org/134347 | 13:36 |
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| dmsimard | Trying to figure out at what frequency the Swift proxy servers fetch the Keystone revocation list and how to configure it but not finding anything conclusive - any hints ? | 14:28 |
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| acoles | dmsimard: that would be an authtoken middleware option i guess. | 14:32 |
| acoles | dmsimard: found this https://github.com/openstack/keystonemiddleware/blob/master/keystonemiddleware/auth_token/__init__.py#L285-285 | 14:33 |
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| dmsimard | acoles: Interesting, that's not where I was looking - was expecting to find something in https://github.com/openstack/swift/blob/master/swift/common/middleware/keystoneauth.py | 14:34 |
| mgagne | dmsimard: read here https://github.com/openstack/swift/blob/master/etc/proxy-server.conf-sample#L275-L290 | 14:34 |
| minwoob | Hi. Would it be recommendable to have an EC policy map to 2 rings, as per https://trello.com/c/QWaYXWNf/120-small-file-optimizations | 14:35 |
| mgagne | dmsimard: both middlewares are loaded: authtoken and keystoneauth | 14:37 |
| hugespoon | anyone have any thoughts about why a container updater sweep would be taking so long? i have 2 clusters, the larger/more used cluster takes about 600 seconds to complete on average, and the smaller is taking ~4000 seconds. I'm not seeing any overt errors in the logs at this point, are there some specific stats i should be looking at? both are on 2.2.2 atm | 14:37 |
| acoles | dmsimard: keystoneauth has no communication with keystone service - authtoken validates tokens and authenticates, keystoneauth then authorises acces based on authtoken's id output. | 14:38 |
| dmsimard | acoles: Makes sense, thanks | 14:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift: Handle Disk IO error Exception in swift account auditor https://review.openstack.org/182734 | 15:23 |
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| minwoob | notmyname: Some of us had reached a consensus regarding this last time: https://trello.com/c/0KddRS3T/104-pyeclib-investigate-python-gil-related-concerns-for-multithreading | 15:42 |
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| minwoob | notmyname: Should it be marked as closed, or are there some reasons to keep it open? | 15:43 |
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| jordanP | hey. Is there something wrong with check-swift-dsvm-functional ? The job seems to run 0 test | 15:47 |
| jordanP | "Ran 0 tests in 0.002s" | 15:47 |
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| peluse | minwoob, weve decided to no longer use trello to track EC issues/todo items (FYI). I guess I should add a note to all open items and put them in a new column called 'archived' or something and put a note that bugs are to be used to track EC work from now on | 15:53 |
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| minwoob | peluse: I see. Will optimization-related updates also be tracked as bugs? | 15:55 |
| peluse | minwoob, yes or just push a patch... folks should use IRC or the email list to bring up questions/topics in this area (or updates on benchmark results) | 15:58 |
| peluse | minwoob, right now Intel+Swiftstack are working on baselining a few clusters w/3x (like right this minute) and once its solid we'll fire up EC and will publish configs and results probably next week. | 15:59 |
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| wbhuber | peluse: will there be a dashboard specific to handle EC bugs/features, ranging from low hanging fruits to most significant ones? | 16:02 |
| wbhuber | peluse: regarding clusters, we are configuring one at the moment too - 3 proxy, 3 meta and 5 storage nodes. once it's all set up we will get the data out hopefully by end of next week | 16:03 |
| peluse | wbhuber, we talked about that too (dashboard) and I'm sure it can be revisted but it was decided that, to keep the dashboard from having too many project specific stuff, that for now the EC section would go away and a crypto section would go these instead | 16:04 |
| peluse | wbhuber, great on the clsuter info. I meant to publish the cluster info that we (us and SwiftStack are using) last week but haven't gotten to it yet. It will be more intersting w/results included anyways :) | 16:05 |
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| wbhuber | peluse: since EC section would go away from the dashboard, would there be specific tags that keep track of those under which we can work on the EC materials? | 16:06 |
| peluse | wbhuber, that would be a good question for notmyname as I'm not sure what the various options are but yeah I think something like makes sense at least til we hit production (just to make queries easier) | 16:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/swift: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/88736 | 16:12 |
| cschwede | jordanP: looking | 16:12 |
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| MooingLemur | peluse: hiya, did you catch what I mentioned into the channel yesterday for clayg? (19:09 UTC) | 16:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Centralize header parsing https://review.openstack.org/184336 | 16:34 |
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| peluse | MooingLemur, yeah and I'm puzzled :) I have one of the SwiftStack engineers on site here this week doing perf work so haven't been able to try and make sense of it in my head. did you see anything back yet from clayg? | 16:42 |
| notmyname | good morning | 16:42 |
| peluse | guten morgen | 16:42 |
| MooingLemur | peluse: not yet | 16:42 |
| peluse | MooingLemur, OK. I'll be offline here for many hours but will check the scrollback later thia afternoon and try to jump in where I can. Will have more time next week for regular work I hope | 16:44 |
| MooingLemur | peluse: When I found what looked to be an object that had 10/12 fragments and isn't making its way to completion, that's when I decided to leave it alone and poke at it later with the guidance of someone more knowledgable about the internals of swift. It might be a smoking gun with respect to the as yet unexplainable disappearing fragments | 16:45 |
| MooingLemur | (policy is 9+3) | 16:46 |
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| notmyname | good morning | 17:02 |
| notmyname | oh, I already said that ;-) | 17:02 |
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| samueldmq | ello | 17:03 |
| samueldmq | hello* | 17:03 |
| samueldmq | could someone with permissions to triage bugs mark this as 'invalid' for swift https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1458945 | 17:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1458945 in murano "Use graduated oslo.policy instead of oslo-incubator code" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Ekaterina Chernova (efedorova) | 17:04 |
| samueldmq | marking as invalid instead of 'no longer affects', so we can keep track of the changes on the whole openstack ecosystem :) | 17:04 |
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| notmyname | samueldmq: oh. sorry, just removed it right before you said that | 17:05 |
| notmyname | samueldmq: how do I add it back? | 17:05 |
| samueldmq | notmyname, I am re-adding , and then you mark as invalid, ok ? | 17:06 |
| samueldmq | notmyname, and ideally put somethign in the description, I'd guess something like 'swift does not use policy system' should be ok | 17:07 |
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| notmyname | samueldmq: I got pulled to a meeting | 17:33 |
| notmyname | samueldmq: ok, looking again now | 17:34 |
| samueldmq | notmyname, re-adding now , just a few seconds | 17:34 |
| notmyname | thurloat: nice away nick ;-) | 17:34 |
| samueldmq | notmyname, done | 17:34 |
| samueldmq | notmyname, already re-added | 17:35 |
| samueldmq | notmyname, thanks | 17:35 |
| notmyname | samueldmq: done | 17:36 |
| notmyname | bah. launchpad timeout error | 17:37 |
| notmyname | samueldmq: still getting timeouts from LP | 17:46 |
| samueldmq | notmyname, yes, people from other projects also got that | 17:46 |
| samueldmq | notmyname, I am sorry for that :( | 17:47 |
| samueldmq | notmyname, I'd appreciate if you could try it later | 17:47 |
| notmyname | not your fault :-) | 17:47 |
| thurloat | notmyname, playing with the ring builder, and I notice that the lower the weight, the higher the balance ends up on rebalance. What does the final balance number indicate? | 17:53 |
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| notmyname | thurloat: balance closer to 0 is better. ie 0 == balanced | 18:10 |
| notmyname | thurloat: positive numbers means that it's overweighted. ie it has more partitions assigned than the weight should allow, relative to the rest of the cluster | 18:11 |
| notmyname | negative numbers are underweighted for the assigned weight relative to the rest of the clsuter | 18:11 |
| thurloat | so my existing entries were set to ~-48.5, and my two new entries were set to 1950.0 | 18:15 |
| thurloat | and the lower the weight i set on the new ones, the higher my final balance number is | 18:19 |
| thurloat | wouldn't the balance be lower with a lower weight? since there is less balancing to do? | 18:19 |
| thurloat | notmyname, trying to better understand the net effect on the cluster if I were to deploy these new rings. and how the balance/weight plays into it | 18:21 |
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| thurloat | it was my understanding that the lower the initial weight, the more gradual the shuffling of partitions would be. | 18:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Clint 'SpamapS' Byrum proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Add a get_conn method to SwiftService https://review.openstack.org/187714 | 18:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Darrell Bishop proposed openstack/swift: Allow 1+ object-servers-per-disk deployment https://review.openstack.org/184189 | 18:43 |
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| notmyname | I'd like to welcome tdasilva as a new swift core reviewer | 18:58 |
| swifterdarrell | notmyname: tdasilva: woot! | 18:59 |
| tdasilva | swifterdarrell, notmyname: thanks :) | 18:59 |
| torgomatic | now get reviewing! /me cracks whip ;) | 19:00 |
| tdasilva | hehe...the list of reviews is not that long, is it sam? ;) | 19:01 |
| acoles | tdasilva: welcome aboard! | 19:07 |
| tdasilva | acoles: thanks! :) | 19:08 |
| minwoob | How would one recommend one to upload a patch set to a previous (not the current) patch set, and to do so cleanly? | 19:10 |
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| minwoob | It looks like at the current state I might be uploading 74 changed files, when I only should have 2. | 19:10 |
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| minwoob | (This is for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178317/ btw. Been trying to make sure I'm modifying patch set 3, and not the most current one). | 19:12 |
| notmyname | minwoob: if you check out patch set 3, make your changes, amend that commit, and push up again, that should be it. | 19:13 |
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| acoles | minwoob: what notmyname said, can be done with git review -d 178317,3 (NB ,3 at end) | 19:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Minwoo Bae proposed openstack/swift: The hash_cleanup_listdir function should only be called when necessary. https://review.openstack.org/178317 | 19:44 |
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| minwoob | notmyname acoles: Thank you! | 19:48 |
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| notmyname | acoles: oh, cool. I didn't know about ,N | 19:59 |
| jrichli | tdasilva: congrats! | 20:03 |
| portante | tdasilva: yes, congrats! | 20:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alistair Coles proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: WIP Make default get_auth timeout be None https://review.openstack.org/187749 | 20:05 |
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| tdasilva | jrichli, portante: thanks! | 20:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Christian Schwede proposed openstack/swift: Don't skip tests if Swift is not running https://review.openstack.org/187754 | 20:19 |
| notmyname | cschwede: isn't this related to the in-process tests portante put together? | 20:20 |
| cschwede | notmyname: not sure, but at the end the plugin seems to catch the exception, which should not happen | 20:21 |
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| lcurtis | what is best way in swift to bring a server offline for several hours for maintenance without replicating all data | 20:40 |
| notmyname | lcurtis: a whole server? | 20:40 |
| lcurtis | notmyname yes | 20:40 |
| notmyname | lcurtis: if you stop the servers (ie stop accespting swift -related connections on it, that will be fine | 20:41 |
| notmyname | swift won't automatically rereplicate data on a down server (just for a down drive) | 20:41 |
| lcurtis | what is the time before swift would start replicating to hand off node? | 20:41 |
| notmyname | then when you bring it back online, swift will fix it all up | 20:41 |
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| notmyname | it will immediately start putting new stuff on a handoff. but replication won't | 20:42 |
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| MooingLemur | lcurtis: it's not like ceph. There is no time frame where it will start replicating from a down server. | 20:42 |
| MooingLemur | lcurtis: it will only automatically increase durability for an unmounted drive with the swift server still running | 20:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Samuel Merritt proposed openstack/swift: EC: support multiple ranges for GET requests https://review.openstack.org/173497 | 20:45 |
| lcurtis | what is mechanism if server is down longer than x hours, new replicas will be created | 20:45 |
| MooingLemur | lcurtis: I think you'd have to script that yourself, remove the devices from the ring or set them with zero weight, and rebalance. | 20:46 |
| lcurtis | MooingLemur Thanks! | 20:47 |
| lcurtis | man this is such a great channel..thank you folks | 20:47 |
| MooingLemur | under normal circumstances, a server going down shouldn't affect durability, because in most cases the data will be fine. | 20:47 |
| MooingLemur | you bring your server back up, and everything is still there | 20:47 |
| lcurtis | right..I was just concerned with replicas | 20:48 |
| lcurtis | like if server down longer than x hours, new replicas would be created | 20:48 |
| MooingLemur | Of course, it could affect availability if multiple servers went down. But it's rather costly to move data around in terms of I/O and bandwidth, compared to the risk that some objects will temporarily get 404. | 20:49 |
| lcurtis | sure | 20:49 |
| lcurtis | makes sense | 20:49 |
| notmyname | lcurtis: that's not done in swift intentionally. we don't want to have some automated cascading death spiral scenario | 20:49 |
| notmyname | so a server down requires an operator (or management software) to take action on if it's something more serious than "wait for it to finish rebooting" or similar | 20:50 |
| glange | can somebody create a blueprint for "automated cascading death spiral scenario"? :) | 20:50 |
| lcurtis | notmyname agreed...very logical in that sense | 20:50 |
| minwoob | Anyone have a link to a page that lists all the advantages of having an object server per disk? | 20:50 |
| notmyname | minwoob: best you'll find right now, AFAIK, is the gerrit review page | 20:51 |
| minwoob | If no such page exists, that's fine. | 20:51 |
| minwoob | notmyname: Ah, I see. | 20:51 |
| minwoob | notmyname: Thanks. | 20:51 |
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| lcurtis | actually...make me think...does data then get replicated back from handoff nodes once server comes back up from maintenance? | 20:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Janie Richling proposed openstack/swift: WIP - working on the encryption feature. https://review.openstack.org/157907 | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | lcurtis: yup | 21:11 |
| lcurtis | excellent...great to know...ty | 21:11 |
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| mattoliverau | Yay! Congrats tdasilva! | 21:33 |
| mattoliverau | Oh and good morning to all as well | 21:33 |
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| minwoob | So while I was looking through some unit tests while working on the hash_cleanup_listdir patch, I noticed in test.unit.obj.test_ssync_sender:TestBaseSsync._verify_diskfile_sync that it expects 'ETag' will be duplicated as 'Etag' by ssync. | 21:48 |
| minwoob | Is there a reason for this, or have we identified a bug? | 21:48 |
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| minwoob | Moreover, I've read that ssync is used as a better alternative to rsync, but where would one find documentation that points to some of its advantages? | 21:51 |
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| glange | minwoob: look for ssync on this page: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/overview_replication.html | 22:00 |
| glange | minwoob: ssync didn't work out for the testing we did, it was too slow | 22:01 |
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| glange | minwoob: also, you'll note that the planned index.db was never implemented -- that is where the hope for faster replication was | 22:03 |
| glange | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/44115/ <-- the author described it as "experimental" and not for use in production clusters | 22:04 |
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| minwoob | glange: Thanks. What is the plan for it then? | 22:07 |
| glange | the idea behind ssync and index.db was that if swift kept track of new objects/files on disk, replication wouldn't have to walk the file system computing hashes as much | 22:07 |
| glange | you can't track what rysnc pushes really | 22:07 |
| glange | I don't know what the status of it is or of the effort to improve replication | 22:07 |
| glange | if there is even such an effort | 22:07 |
| notmyname | minwoob: ssync and rsync are good at different things. unfortunately they're also bad at different things too. ssync is chatty, so replicating a whole partition with it isn't very good. but rsync isn't all that great if there's just a few differences between two partition replicas | 22:11 |
| notmyname | ssync has been improved somewhat since it was added to swift, and EC requires it | 22:11 |
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| minwoob | notmyname glange: Regarding how it duplicates 'ETag' with 'Etag', though, is that indicative of some functionality concerns? | 22:15 |
| minwoob | Maybe it isn't quite as stable as we'd want it to be? | 22:16 |
| notmyname | minwoob: I don't remember the details around that one thing, but the general idea (I think) is that the header name is case-insensitive, and that was added for some sort of compat reason | 22:16 |
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| minwoob | notmyname: The test itself may be fine, but when I was stepping through it with my debugger, I do remember a header that I had temporarily added was replicated with the wrong case (like 'ETag' to 'Etag'). | 22:20 |
| minwoob | notmyname: If you're saying though, that ssync itself is the one that is case-insensitive about header names, then I guess there's no issue there (still wondering why that would be, though). | 22:24 |
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| peluse | minwoob, the etag duplciate thing was a bug that has since been addressed so you may still see some tests that make sure its not duplicate | 22:50 |
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| peluse | minwoob, it was introduced as part of the EC work. We had a few patches that kept it from happening in a few different places, can't check now but I think they both landed | 22:51 |
| peluse | minwoob, and, BTW, the fix was specific to certain headers so I'm thinking you would have to change some code in order to introduce a new one that would end up getting duplicated | 22:52 |
| peluse | minwoob, actually one part of it not in there yet: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173973/ the other part that is in there, which is sufficient but combo is better we think is in init() of RebuildingECDiskFileStream() | 22:57 |
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