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| openstackgerrit | Janie Richling proposed openstack/swift-specs: Updates to encryption spec https://review.openstack.org/154318 | 02:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alistair Coles proposed openstack/swift-specs: Add keymaster discussion to encryption spec https://review.openstack.org/183014 | 11:54 |
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| acoles | tdasilva: thanks for reviewing that ^^ , i thought it might be a good idea to start a separate thread for keymaster discussion ;) | 12:45 |
| tdasilva | acoles: yeah, I like it how you stated that the keymaster details is out of the scope of this doc, but it still provides some guidance on the expectation of how things would work out | 12:47 |
| acoles | tdasilva: well, folks like you and ho were raising good questions about it so i thought sharing some thinking was useful | 12:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Alistair Coles proposed openstack/swift-specs: Updates to encryption spec https://review.openstack.org/154318 | 12:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Stuart McLaren proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Add minimal working service token support. https://review.openstack.org/182640 | 13:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | pradeep kumar singh proposed openstack/swift: Swift account auditor fails to quarantine corrupt db due to Disk IO error. This patch fix that by handling Disk IO Error Exception. https://review.openstack.org/182734 | 13:23 |
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| lastops | good morning. I’m having troulbes fidning any information on metadata search api (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/MetadataSearchAPI) development status . Did anyone have to solve this problem (indexing, searh) with middleware? Thanks in advance | 13:38 |
| tdasilva | lastops: hi, there's a spec for review here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180918/ | 13:39 |
| tdasilva | lastops: I don't think there's been any public code up for review yet | 13:40 |
| lastops | tdasilva: thanks. | 13:43 |
| lastops | so the way to go about this for now is to intercept reqests and send them to external search engine | 13:44 |
| glange | you'd probably have to intercept incoming requests to update the indexes of the search engine too | 13:45 |
| glange | probably in middleware for both | 13:46 |
| lastops | glange: yes. thanks. will give it a try. | 13:50 |
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| glange | lastops: hang around channel, there might be something working on this already -- it's still kind of early for most people -- you might get more answers/information later | 13:51 |
| glange | s/something/somebody/ | 13:51 |
| lastops | glange: ok. Thanks. | 13:52 |
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| wbhuber | good morning | 14:17 |
| glange | it is a fine morning! | 14:17 |
| openstackgerrit | pradeep kumar singh proposed openstack/swift: Swift account auditor fails to quarantine corrupt db due to Disk IO error. This patch fix that by handling Disk IO Error Exception. https://review.openstack.org/182734 | 14:17 |
| wbhuber | notmyname: have you sketched performance test framework for EC yet? anything documented for it? | 14:17 |
| openstackgerrit | pradeep kumar singh proposed openstack/swift: Swift account auditor fails to quarantine corrupt db due to Disk IO error. This patch fix that by handling Disk IO Error Exception. https://review.openstack.org/182734 | 14:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | pradeep kumar singh proposed openstack/swift: Swift account auditor fails to quarantine corrupt db due to Disk IO error. This patch fix that by handling Disk IO Error Exception. https://review.openstack.org/182734 | 14:46 |
| openstackgerrit | pradeep kumar singh proposed openstack/swift: Swift account auditor fails to quarantine corrupt db due to Disk IO error. This patch fix that by handling Disk IO Error Exception. https://review.openstack.org/182734 | 14:49 |
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| InAnimaTe | gah this sucks | 15:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Denis Cavalcante proposed openstack/swift-specs: Internal communication measurement for swift spec https://review.openstack.org/180801 | 16:01 |
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| clayg | python3 has only been out five years? | 16:17 |
| clayg | ... oh it's more like 8 or 9 | 16:19 |
| zackmdavis | clayg, (well, six years and five months) | 16:19 |
| clayg | Python 3.0.0 2008-12-03 | 16:20 |
| clayg | that's from python.org/downloads | 16:20 |
| zackmdavis | clayg, right http://www.timeanddate.com/date/durationresult.html?m1=12&d1=03&y1=2008&m2=5&d2=14&y2=2015 | 16:21 |
| clayg | i'm trying to find out when six was released | 16:23 |
| clayg | I want to say it wasn't until like python 3.3 when you could acctually run a python code base that would work on either 2 or 3 | 16:23 |
| clayg | everything before that was possible was really just an early release preview | 16:23 |
| zackmdavis | clayg, looking at the six source repo, the 1.0.0 tag is dated March 2011 https://bitbucket.org/gutworth/six/commits/tag/1.0.0 | 16:24 |
| zackmdavis | but maybe people were using it before then, version numbers being meaningless | 16:26 |
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| clayg | http://python-future.org/faq.html claims to be a better six and requires 3.3+ | 16:30 |
| clayg | something must have come in with 3.3 | 16:30 |
| clayg | Python 3.3.0 2012-09-29 | 16:30 |
| zackmdavis | clayg, (re something coming in with 3.3) maybe the no-op unicode literals? https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0414/#proposal | 16:33 |
| clayg | yup gotta be | 16:35 |
| clayg | I wonder if python decided to do a python 2.8 with python-futures built in and a bunch of deprecation warnings if you get a smooth transistion from python 2.7 code works, and runs unmodified on 2.8, then after fixing all the deprecation warnings runs unmodified on 3.4 (or 3.5) | 16:38 |
| notmyname | good morning | 16:39 |
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| MooingLemur | so an EC ring just has data+parity chunk "replicas", right? | 17:08 |
| MooingLemur | so if I want 8+3, I create a ring with 11 replicas? | 17:08 |
| torgomatic | MooingLemur: correct | 17:14 |
| MooingLemur | neat, seems straightforward :D | 17:15 |
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| MooingLemur | hmm, swift-ring-builder in 2.3.0 doesn't like adding devices with a weight of zero. I can set it to something else and then change it to zero... how silly | 17:17 |
| torgomatic | MooingLemur: why would you want to add a device with weight 0? what purpose would it serve? | 17:26 |
| MooingLemur | torgomatic: one instance I can think of there was a device that was mistakenly removed from the ring, but then you want to add it back with weight 0 so that replication will push data off of it | 17:27 |
| torgomatic | MooingLemur: ah, that would do it, yes | 17:28 |
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| clayg | torgomatic: lol | 17:28 |
| clayg | did we *used* to support adding devices with zero weight? | 17:28 |
| MooingLemur | torgomatic: but as of now, on the prod cluster, if a new disk is found, the automation adds it with weight 0 on the first pass, then bumped up slowly toward the target weight on subsequent passes | 17:28 |
| torgomatic | clayg: well, it seemed dumb to me, but that's legit :D | 17:28 |
| MooingLemur | sure :) | 17:28 |
| torgomatic | clayg: I have no idea | 17:29 |
| MooingLemur | most definitely it works. | 17:29 |
| MooingLemur | then again, I'm still using a really old swift-ring-builder on the machine that does the automation | 17:32 |
| lastops | Hello. As mentioned earlier today (a bit too early), I need to solve metadata indexing/search problem and while it looks like Metadata Search API (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/MetadataSearchAPI) is still far from implementation, I'm certain that the problem is common and had been solved with home-made middleware. Could anyone give me some hints? Thanks in advance. | 17:32 |
| zaitcev | I suspect people who need search and indexes select an architecture with a database for it. Right tool for the job and all that. | 17:35 |
| notmyname | lastops: yeah, softlayer has something like that. you might take a look at their object storage docs to see what their API is | 17:38 |
| MooingLemur | when adding a new storage policy, do the daemons need restarting because of a new swift.conf? | 17:39 |
| lastops | zaitcev, notmyname: thanks | 17:40 |
| MooingLemur | I guess that's not too bad of a penalty, since it doesn't happen every day | 17:41 |
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| lastops | HP folks also worked on this https://wiki.openstack.org/w/images/a/ab/Object_Storage_Metadata_Search_Design_Session_v4.pdf | 17:44 |
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| redbo | I had a proof of concept pushing metadata to the container with the rest of the object data and using sqlite's fts to index it. It works okay, but bloats the container dbs. | 17:56 |
| annegentle | anyone know of a public cloud that implements the endpoints middleware? (Checked Rackspace and TryStack, no go) | 17:57 |
| annegentle | I'm working on API reference for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/swift/+spec/list-endpoints | 17:58 |
| annegentle | (I can spin up a devstack with it configured if need be) | 17:58 |
| torgomatic | annegentle: I'd be really surprised if you found any. It's only useful for people who fully trust their clients, so much so that the clients get to bypass auth and talk directly to the storage nodes | 18:02 |
| annegentle | torgomatic: hm, perhaps it's purposefully underdocumented | 18:02 |
| torgomatic | annegentle: could be; it's really quite a minimal API. It's pretty much just one GET request that responds with some JSON. | 18:03 |
| swifterdarrell | annegentle: torgomatic: yup (other than several "SECURITY WARNING: probably do not deploy this" type things, hopefully); it was added so trusted Hadoop nodes could locate and access objects directly against the object-servers, bypassing /all/ authentication | 18:03 |
| annegentle | torgomatic: sure, but I can't "see" the JSON returned unless I run the call | 18:03 |
| annegentle | unless there's something in the code that can help me glue together the json returned? | 18:04 |
| redbo | https://github.com/openstack/swift/blob/master/swift/common/middleware/list_endpoints.py#L55 | 18:07 |
| swifterdarrell | annegentle: here ya go https://gist.github.com/dbishop/32c6ff6bfb74cbf8c4f1 | 18:08 |
| annegentle | thanks redbo swifterdarrell! redbo wonder if that string should be updated with the headers:? | 18:08 |
| annegentle | redbo: or is that optional (to apply headers) | 18:08 |
| redbo | It's not optional, it needs that storage policy to know where the object lives on disk. | 18:10 |
| annegentle | redbo: huh, swifterdarrell's gist doesn't have headers (oh wait, the headers are on the request, got it) | 18:11 |
| annegentle | herpderp gotit | 18:11 |
| swifterdarrell | annegentle: one sec | 18:11 |
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| swifterdarrell | annegentle: reload the gist | 18:12 |
| redbo | there's a v1 and v2 of that API | 18:12 |
| swifterdarrell | annegentle: now includes v2 examples | 18:12 |
| annegentle | swifterdarrell: Sweet | 18:12 |
| swifterdarrell | redbo: thx for the pointer! I hadn't seen the v2 biz w/the endpoints middleware | 18:12 |
| redbo | I hadn't either! Shows how much attention I pay. | 18:13 |
| swifterdarrell | redbo: heh | 18:13 |
| wbhuber | notmyname: have you extracted net/cpu/mem util for the latest EC performance run on 5/11? are the logs, configs and rings accessible for the run on github?? | 18:14 |
| notmyname | not yet | 18:14 |
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| wbhuber | in the average latency column, i assume we're speaking seconds, right? | 18:21 |
| wbhuber | notmyname: ^^ | 18:22 |
| notmyname | yes | 18:22 |
| notmyname | scotticus: FYI, I just got this email "...you will present from your own computer so please come prepared with your VGA or DVI compatible laptop with your 16:9 presentations..." | 18:23 |
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| wbhuber | notmyname: care to elaborate a bit more on reqs_sec. requests per seconds on storing an object? | 18:30 |
| notmyname | yes | 18:30 |
| notmyname | or more generally, just <total requests> / <wall clock time> | 18:30 |
| wbhuber | So, in the miniscule test for EC isolation, we have 11800 objects to store and it takes 97 seconds to make a request? am i thinking unclear? | 18:31 |
| notmyname | I'd need to find that gist again ;-) | 18:32 |
| wbhuber | and how different is ec-shared from replica-shared? both has 10 EC drives and 10 Replica drives? | 18:32 |
| notmyname | "shared" means that the drives used (20 total) are used for both replica and EC policies | 18:33 |
| notmyname | wbhuber: can you give me the link again please? | 18:33 |
| wbhuber | https://gist.githubusercontent.com/charz/77dd1c3f73b228bdd6a1/raw/393e72ce70b24f960f61bfce4608b578d1767136/gistfile1.txt | 18:33 |
| notmyname | so the first row? | 18:34 |
| wbhuber | yes | 18:34 |
| notmyname | 120 seconds to do operations on 11800 objects, averages of 97 req/sec | 18:34 |
| notmyname | that test has a mix of read and writes. the read_only and write_only are what you'd expect | 18:35 |
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| wbhuber | ok, makes sense now. | 18:36 |
| wbhuber | i see that there is no delete test scenario yet implemented. we can do that here when we have configuration/hardware established | 18:36 |
| notmyname | and "minuscule" is a objects between 10 bytes and 2048 bytes. note that the EC strip size is 1MB. so totally not what you should use for EC ;-) | 18:37 |
| wbhuber | i see that, definitely. | 18:37 |
| notmyname | wbhuber: yeah, that would be ok, but deletes for EC objects in swift aren't really implemented any differently than for replicas. so because of that, and because I wanted to fill the cluster over time, I didn't do any deletes | 18:37 |
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| wbhuber | i better head back and read the configuration and understand the definition of ec_shared and replica_shared more | 18:38 |
| wbhuber | isolation ones are well defined | 18:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Eran Rom proposed openstack/swift-specs: Swift-Storlets - allowing dynamic compute functions https://review.openstack.org/164537 | 18:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/swift: go: clean up and add to obj tests https://review.openstack.org/182065 | 19:35 |
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| lcurtis | hello all...I just added another container node to swift cluster and rsyncs seem to be taking a very long time | 20:42 |
| lcurtis | or rather..not much throughput | 20:43 |
| lcurtis | any tips or tricks? | 20:43 |
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| ctennis | can you quantify it a bit? | 20:49 |
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| lcurtis | ctennis averaging 2-3Mbps | 21:00 |
| ctennis | the replicators output some statistics in the logs every 5 minutes, might look at that to see partitions | 21:01 |
| ctennis | rsync will run as fast as the network, cpu, and disk allow | 21:01 |
| lcurtis | hmmm...interesting | 21:01 |
| lcurtis | any keywords i can look for in logs? | 21:01 |
| ctennis | this is specifcally containers? | 21:02 |
| ctennis | probably grep for container-replicator, should be able to narrow it down from there | 21:02 |
| ctennis | otherwise grep for object-replicator and then grep again for "partitions" | 21:03 |
| lcurtis | yes containers | 21:05 |
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| lcurtis | okay....thank you as always for your sage advice ctennis | 21:08 |
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| mattoliverau | Morning | 22:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Barton proposed openstack/swift: go: lower-case incoming ETag https://review.openstack.org/183340 | 22:39 |
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