| notmyname | tsg: oh nice | 00:00 |
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| notmyname | tsg: what's the outstanding patch that requires that? | 00:00 |
| notmyname | tsg: or is it yet to be written? | 00:01 |
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| notmyname | in order to do gate testing on that functionality, it will have to be added to our requirements.txt. in order for that to happen, it will need to be in global-requirements | 00:01 |
| tsg | notmyname: the footer patch - WIP .. | 00:02 |
| notmyname | and so since we're getting to the end of the juno cycle, global requirements may go into a freeze next week (well, there's a feature freeze for other projects starting next week--not sure if that affects requirements) | 00:02 |
| peluse | notmyname: how long is the freeze for? I assume we're not concerned about the juno cutoff, just delays in getting it in because of the freeze? | 00:03 |
| tsg | notmyname: I will ping Sergey (eventlet author) again tonight | 00:03 |
| notmyname | tsg: basically, distros look to global requirements to build their packages. so if we need this for testing, even if it doesn't land until after juno, we'll need to get it in soon. otherwise we may have to wait until after juno to land that patch | 00:03 |
| notmyname | peluse: right. we (swift) arent' concerned about the freeze other that we want to make sure we can test things | 00:04 |
| peluse | got it, thx | 00:04 |
| tsg | notmyname: will do my best to get it in. I am not sure about the process to get it uploaded to pypi (hope Sergey does that as part of the release) | 00:05 |
| notmyname | thanks | 00:06 |
| notmyname | I'm asking in -infra | 00:06 |
| notmyname | to clarify feature freezes etc | 00:06 |
| notmyname | this would be more straightforward if we all just pulled of some massive effort to get ec done by juno ;-) | 00:07 |
| peluse | ha! | 00:07 |
| peluse | no plans this weekend I hope for anyone... | 00:08 |
| * torgomatic loves time-based releases | 00:08 | |
| torgomatic | no, wait not love... the other one | 00:08 |
| notmyname | the other fun part is if we say this is "required" or not :-) | 00:08 |
| acorwin | torgomatic: ive heard the opposite of love isn't hate - it's apathy | 00:08 |
| notmyname | tsg: torgomatic: or is this actually required? | 00:09 |
| torgomatic | acorwin: meh | 00:09 |
| notmyname | acorwin: nec | 00:09 |
| notmyname | meh | 00:09 |
| torgomatic | well, EC can't work without the 100-continue headers, so... go from there? | 00:09 |
| notmyname | got it | 00:10 |
| notmyname | just making sure I say the right thing :-) | 00:10 |
| peluse | tsg slipped in some other fixes to eventlet to make it more attractive to do a 0.15.2 also - nice! | 00:11 |
| notmyname | :-) | 00:12 |
| tsg | peluse: gotta show some committment :) | 00:12 |
| notmyname | tsg: clearly, you've been a slacker until then /s ;-) | 00:12 |
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| tsg | heh | 00:12 |
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| notmyname | hmm...now they're saying that since the current thing is >= then we just get it automatically and don't need to bump the global reqs until it lands in master | 00:13 |
| notmyname | since they just install the latest version that matches | 00:13 |
| tsg | notmyname: yeah that should work | 00:13 |
| tsg | notmyname: its just that bandersnatch takes forever (!) to update pypi cache | 00:14 |
| notmyname | ok, we can't add comments to the requirements file | 00:15 |
| * peluse chuckles... "bandersnatch" | 00:15 | |
| tsg | last time we pushed pyeclib, it never happened and I finally had clarkb kick bandersnatch to make it pull new version | 00:16 |
| notmyname | oh actually we _can_ add comments | 00:17 |
| notmyname | maybe we can deal with the global reqs patches and then add a big comment section at the top to say the actually required versions | 00:18 |
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| notmyname | tsg: thanks. I gotta run. thanks for jumping in and for getting it done :-) | 00:23 |
| tsg | np | 00:23 |
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| sanchit | Hi, Just like we can give Read permissions to all users from all referring domains by using .r:*, .rlistings. Can we do something similar for giving Container Write permissions? | 04:16 |
| sanchit | Currently I am giving -H "X-Container-Read: .r:*,.rlistings" | 04:17 |
| sanchit | What can be the parameters for X-Container-Write? | 04:17 |
| kota_ | sanchit: swift doesn't allow the referrer ACL format for write. | 04:32 |
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| kota_ | sanchit: I don't know the reason but swift clearly deny to set such a ACL. (e.g. X-Container-Write: .r:*) | 04:34 |
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| sanchit | @kota_: Thank you for the information. | 05:07 |
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| sanchit | I was trying to set X-Container-Write:* thinking that all the users of all the account can write to that container but that also isn't allowed I guess | 05:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matthew Oliver proposed a change to openstack/swift: Add concurrent reads option to proxy https://review.openstack.org/117710 | 07:35 |
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| developer | Has anyone ever tried installing/configuring stunnel with Swift? | 11:59 |
| developer | And know what's the best way to do so? | 11:59 |
| ahale_ | we tried that but ended up using haproxy 1.5 ssl termination, can't remember the details but it was kinda sucky | 12:01 |
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| developer | Ok, but were you able to get stunnel set up successfully? | 12:07 |
| developer | and if so, is there a specific set of instructions for setting it up for use with Swift? | 12:09 |
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| ahale_ | oh yeah, it was able to get setup and working fine - nothing specific i can remember about it though | 12:15 |
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| homegrown | when browsing to a container with around 500k objects in it, it hangs for around 15 seconds - any tips on speeding this up? | 15:19 |
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| torgomatic | homegrown: define "browsing" | 16:26 |
| clayg | lol @ torgomatic | 16:27 |
| torgomatic | well, Swift doesn't really give you a browser-consumable view of a container, which probably means there's some piece of intermediate software that's translating to HTML. | 16:29 |
| clayg | torgomatic: yeah, but whatever that thing is it's making probably 50 big 'ol container listing requests | 16:29 |
| peluse | torgomatic: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browsing :) | 16:29 |
| torgomatic | I mean, technically the text/plain response will render in a browser, but... | 16:30 |
| clayg | peluse: that page does not include anything about swift | 16:30 |
| clayg | torgomatic: we have json too - and browsers love xml | 16:30 |
| peluse | clayg: that was sorta the point, guess my humor is off on a Friday... | 16:30 |
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| clayg | peluse: lol - no just playing dumb and dishing it back out | 16:31 |
| clayg | peluse: irc friday fail | 16:31 |
| clayg | poor homegrown - he didn't even stick around to see all this fun | 16:31 |
| torgomatic | "love" and "xml" are two words that never belong together :) | 16:31 |
| * peluse hears the "wooonk wooonk" sound somehwere in the background | 16:31 | |
| torgomatic | This is what I get for trying to be helpful :) | 16:32 |
| peluse | tough crowd... | 16:32 |
| peluse | hometown: we really will try to help though... honest. Just provide a bit more context if you can. Also, are your acct/container DB's on SSDs? | 16:33 |
| clayg | torgomatic: do you think the status code for container listings should be 203 - because of eventual consistency? | 16:33 |
| clayg | peluse: yeah I really think he left? | 16:33 |
| torgomatic | Probably gone. I'm on my phone atm and it stinks at telling me who's in a channel | 16:34 |
| peluse | you know, my IRC client doesn't provide any timestamps - does anyone else's? I can't tell how long ago anyone said anything | 16:34 |
| clayg | peluse: irssi does, but I think i had to ask it to - i hate configuring irssi - i wouldn't recommend it | 16:35 |
| peluse | bah, not worth it :) | 16:36 |
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| peluse | man, and why do I keep losing my + sign? Sheesh, I'm ready for the 3 day weekend... | 16:36 |
| peluse | torgomatic: reviewing your 0 copy stuff... PFC. What drove this effort, just random though "I bet I could..."? | 16:37 |
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| torgomatic | peluse: I wanted to make dense storage servers work better, and I saw redbo's sendfile thing and wondered if there were a way to do that without losing quarantine | 16:39 |
| torgomatic | and there was | 16:39 |
| peluse | cool | 16:40 |
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| notmyname | good morning | 16:59 |
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| peluse | good morning! | 17:07 |
| notmyname | I'll be your Swift social media maven this morning.... | 17:10 |
| notmyname | I've got a big customer meeting this morning. big enough that I'm wearing nice shoes and a sport coat. good times | 17:11 |
| peluse | a sport coat??? wow cool cat | 17:11 |
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| tdasilva | peluse: I've been using XChat for a few weeks now and it shows timestamps... | 17:14 |
| notmyname | limechat does too | 17:14 |
| notmyname | gotta run... | 17:16 |
| peluse | tdasilva: thanks, I think I'll try that | 17:16 |
| peluse | notmyname: enjoy your dog and pony show! | 17:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | David Goetz proposed a change to openstack/swift: Combine acc/cont put_* methods and fix their lock problem. https://review.openstack.org/117842 | 17:23 |
| peluse | tdasilva, : OK, using it now. Looks pretty good | 17:25 |
| tdasilva | peluse: yeah, I had been using Quassel before but notifications never worked well for me...XChat seems to have a simpler UI but works pretty well | 17:26 |
| dfg | notmyname: what does SwiftStack Cluster CI mean? | 17:27 |
| dfg | does it just fail it if its from me? that would kinda make sense | 17:27 |
| peluse | dfg: heh, that's funny. he stepped away but we were involved a little with that. its a small rack of systems that have our latest system on a chip in them (Avoton) and some big drives from HGST I think to suplement VM testing with real HW | 17:30 |
| peluse | dfg: its all housed and managed by the guys at SwiftStack though so I can't tell you much more about it than that :) | 17:31 |
| dfg | peluse: ok cool. thx. it puts the console.log into RAX's CDN? thats kinda funny. i get a 404 though | 17:32 |
| peluse | dfg: I'm not sure that its totally live and ready for use yet, could be that its visible but not quite ready. obviously notmyname will know when he gets back | 17:34 |
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| nunizacu | hi, i got a problem - swift list returns 400 Bad Request Token exceeds maximum length | 17:47 |
| nunizacu | swauth 500 | 17:47 |
| nunizacu | or forbidden | 17:48 |
| nunizacu | is all openstack channels dead? | 17:51 |
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| tdasilva | nunizacu: swauth was developed by gholt, who is not here at the moment, I think...if other people are not responding is probably because they can't help | 17:53 |
| tdasilva | nunizacu: you could also try posting a new issue on swauth github page: https://github.com/gholt/swauth/issues | 17:54 |
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| nunizacu | i dont really have an account | 17:56 |
| nunizacu | problem is i set swpasswd but it is unusable, i se no idiot-proof guide how to do it for programer | 17:57 |
| nunizacu | i even had to change ports from 6000 to 7000 couse they caused ssh disconnection | 17:59 |
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| clayg | dfg: where did you see "SwiftStack Cluster CI" | 18:05 |
| peluse | clayg, : its in the list: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems | 18:08 |
| tdasilva | torgomatic: Do you have time to talk about the constraints middleware patch? 113325... | 18:12 |
| torgomatic | tdasilva: sure | 18:15 |
| tdasilva | torgomatic: was just trying to understand your comments :-) I'm still a little bit confused about the distinction between "global" vs "artificial" restrictions... | 18:16 |
| torgomatic | tdasilva: it's more about restrictions that break certain storage modes vs. ones that don't | 18:17 |
| torgomatic | like if you store a 6 GiB file on an object server, then drop the restriction to 5 GiB, that 6er doesn't break replication or anything | 18:17 |
| torgomatic | but if you have a diskfile with certain naming restrictions, and there exists an object in the cluster with a name outside those restrictions, you can't ever use that diskfile | 18:18 |
| torgomatic | s/cluster/policy/g nowadays, but the point remains | 18:18 |
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| tdasilva | I think this is the part where my confusion is...for example, again using the example of swiftonfile because that is easy...are saying that one should not add a swiftonfile as a separate policy to an existing cluster because it tithens the restrictions? | 18:20 |
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| torgomatic | tdasilva: say you have policy N, and it's got a bunch of plain old obj servers behind it... just stuff on XFS in the usual way | 18:21 |
| torgomatic | and someone comes along and says PUT /v1/AUTH_me/stuff/some///obj///name | 18:21 |
| torgomatic | now you can't ever add a swift-on-file obj server to that policy, because if replication tries to move /v1/AUTH_me/stuff/some///obj///name onto it, then the operation will fail | 18:22 |
| tdasilva | Yes, I agree...but it would be fine in a separate policy, correct? | 18:23 |
| tdasilva | my point being that I see the restrictions being per policy | 18:23 |
| tdasilva | and my expectation is that disk files are the "same" in a specific policy | 18:24 |
| torgomatic | tdasilva: I don't think I agree with that one-diskfile-per-policy premise | 18:24 |
| torgomatic | I don't think operators want to run different types of storage in parallel in their clusters for long periods of time, but during migrations, they'll have to | 18:24 |
| torgomatic | so someone switching out XFS for swift-on-file, for example | 18:25 |
| dfg | clayg: it added itself as a reviewer to my patch and then said that it failed | 18:25 |
| dfg | or I failed. idk | 18:25 |
| torgomatic | tdasilva: I guess what I want to know is this: can swift-on-file use an alternate mapping of object-name to on-disk-name such that it doesn't have extra restrictions above those of XFS? | 18:26 |
| torgomatic | like, collapse /+ to / before saving | 18:26 |
| torgomatic | (and by "xfs" I mean "the diskfile that currently saves stuff on a POSIX filesystem that is typically XFS") | 18:26 |
| tdasilva | well, the reason for keeping the current mapping is to make it easy for providing access to those files through other protocols. Still, I think we could solve the problem to remove that restriction | 18:29 |
| tdasilva | and I'm not really disagreeing with the points you made, more just trying to understand... | 18:30 |
| torgomatic | tdasilva: I guess my main worry is that you can't migrate to a diskfile with stricter constraints/restrictions than what you have now | 18:30 |
| tdasilva | yes...that is very much true...but I think that is a problem that will always be there | 18:31 |
| tdasilva | using another example from John was the min_size for EC | 18:31 |
| torgomatic | which is another thing I don't like ;) | 18:32 |
| torgomatic | and for essentially the same reasons | 18:32 |
| tdasilva | humm...interesting...the way I was seeing is that it is sort of inevitable | 18:32 |
| tdasilva | when you have different storage backends | 18:32 |
| tdasilva | unless you have a global set of restrictions that intersect them all | 18:33 |
| tdasilva | as you suggested, but then you are never able to "extend" your cluster | 18:33 |
| torgomatic | eh, not necessarily... only if those different storage backends are less capable than the base one | 18:33 |
| tdasilva | with new storage backaends | 18:33 |
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| tdasilva | right...but it is a true possibility | 18:35 |
| tdasilva | again..the idea of having a min_obj_size, if that was the case, you would never extend an existing cluster to add EC | 18:35 |
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| torgomatic | tdasilva: exactly right, which is why a backend that can't store 0-byte files is worse, from the user's perspective, than one that can | 18:37 |
| torgomatic | in particular, if an operator were to set their default policy to be EC on a new cluster *and* EC couldn't store 0-byte files, then existing clients would break | 18:37 |
| torgomatic | (for the record, I think EC *can* store 0-byte files, so this is hypothetical) | 18:38 |
| tdasilva | :-) understood | 18:38 |
| torgomatic | it's sort of the same thing with the constraints we have today... they all limit the size of a thing to be in the range [0, N] units | 18:40 |
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| torgomatic | and if you set up your cluster with [0, M] where M < N, you'll break some clients that have the old limits hard-coded (from back before they were configurable) | 18:40 |
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| tdasilva | i understand this point, but still not sure what you would propose | 18:42 |
| torgomatic | well, if swift-on-file really can't accept certain names, then swift-on-file should have such a middleware with the extra constraints in it | 18:42 |
| torgomatic | but I don't like that Swift's example of non-XFS diskfile has extra restrictions on it; I feel like that sets a bad precedent | 18:42 |
| torgomatic | clients end up getting an API that takes most, but not all, of the requests that other Swift clusters take | 18:43 |
| tdasilva | ok...yes, that's also what I was thinking...for example...keep the restrictions that are there in the proxy today | 18:44 |
| tdasilva | if a new storage policy with a new diskfile is added with special constraints, they can provide their own middleware | 18:44 |
| tdasilva | with no changes to proxy code | 18:44 |
| tdasilva | did I understand you correctly? | 18:45 |
| torgomatic | tdasilva: yes, that sounds good to me | 18:45 |
| openstackgerrit | David Goetz proposed a change to openstack/swift: Combine acc/cont put_* methods and fix their lock problem. https://review.openstack.org/117842 | 18:45 |
| tdasilva | in that specific scenario, you would still have the issue you described with the clients | 18:46 |
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| torgomatic | tdasilva: yes, but if the storage backend can't be fixed, then you're stuck with it | 18:46 |
| tdasilva | exactly | 18:47 |
| tdasilva | agreed | 18:47 |
| torgomatic | I'd argue that the first approach should always be to fix the storage backend, and only fall back on a restrictions middleware as a last resort | 18:47 |
| tdasilva | do you mean to fix the storage backend to try to remove the extra restrictions or so that it (storage node) returns the correct error in case of those restrictions | 18:48 |
| tdasilva | ? | 18:48 |
| torgomatic | tdasilva: the former; remove the extra restrictions | 18:49 |
| tdasilva | to a certain extent I agree, but we also have to expect that in some cases it won't be possible...for example, in the case of swiftonfile we could try to solve the issue with /, but we would still have the proble with the max_length of the "parts" (i.e. sub-directories) of the object name | 18:51 |
| tdasilva | unless we also tried to truncate them | 18:51 |
| torgomatic | tdasilva: so in that case it makes sense for swift-on-file to provide a middleware that implements the extra checking | 18:51 |
| nunizacu | lots of talk, maybe somebody help me? | 18:51 |
| torgomatic | nunizacu: have you tried turning it off and on again? | 18:52 |
| nunizacu | i till 12 pm | 18:52 |
| tdasilva | torgomatic: the other issue we ran into was that when the object server returns a 400 to the proxy, the proxy in turn returns a 503 | 18:53 |
| torgomatic | nunizacu: in all seriousness, it's better to state the problem and see who pops up than to ask for a volunteer to help | 18:53 |
| nunizacu | and i talk like that to customerst :D | 18:53 |
| tdasilva | torgomatic: maybe we could fix that... | 18:53 |
| nunizacu | i stated already | 18:53 |
| nunizacu | no wway to login into swift | 18:53 |
| torgomatic | tdasilva: that'd be an interesting patch... I'd think a quorum of 400s would result in a 400 going out, but I could be wrong | 18:53 |
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| torgomatic | nunizacu: what auth system? tempauth? swauth? keystone? | 18:54 |
| nunizacu | 14.04, tried keystone and swatuth | 18:54 |
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| nunizacu | swift gives double 8080 with too long token | 18:55 |
| nunizacu | swauth premission denied | 18:55 |
| nunizacu | and im sure i put the same password both places and restart | 18:56 |
| tdasilva | in swiftonfile (which has only one diskfile, so quorum of one) we get the 503 right here: https://github.com/openstack/swift/blob/master/swift/proxy/controllers/obj.py#L699 | 18:56 |
| tdasilva | torgomatic: ^^ | 18:56 |
| nunizacu | i get rather 4xx and 500 | 18:56 |
| developer | How does one see previous conversations before one has joined the conversation? | 18:56 |
| torgomatic | nunizacu: the double 8080 is, I think, a bug in that version of swiftclient, so you might try upgrading... token too long is because keystone PKI tokens are fantastically huge, and you have to bump up a config value so eventlet can eat them | 18:56 |
| torgomatic | developer: IRC bouncers are handy for that | 18:57 |
| tdasilva | developer: there's a log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-swift/ | 18:57 |
| torgomatic | (except when your darn phone IRC client consumes the backlog and crashes, leaving you with no idea what was said... dang it) | 18:57 |
| nunizacu | tell me where to look, im programer for 18 years | 18:57 |
| developer | All right, I see | 18:58 |
| nunizacu | and 16 sysadmin | 18:58 |
| torgomatic | nunizacu: I'm trying to see where it is | 18:58 |
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| nunizacu | but swauth dont work also | 18:58 |
| torgomatic | nunizacu: does swauth also result in token-too-long errors? | 18:58 |
| torgomatic | nunizacu: ah, here we go... in swift.conf, set max_header_size = 16384 (or whatever; default is 8192) | 18:59 |
| * torgomatic thought it was the proxy conf and couldn't find it | 18:59 | |
| nunizacu | oh i see the problem | 19:00 |
| nunizacu | at least one | 19:00 |
| torgomatic | tdasilva: that's an odd place to see that; I'd think len(conns) == 1 and min_conns == 1, so that shouldn't happen | 19:01 |
| tdasilva | well..but the conn fails | 19:01 |
| tdasilva | that's why | 19:01 |
| tdasilva | because the call to check_constraints in the obj server happens when trying to setup the connection | 19:01 |
| torgomatic | tdasilva: apparently I need to go digging in that code some more; I thought conns didn't fail unless it was a TCP-level failure, but I believe you | 19:02 |
| tdasilva | torgomatic: I could mistaken too, so I will check again, but from what I understood before when looking at this, is if this check fails: https://github.com/openstack/swift/blob/master/swift/obj/server.py#L376 | 19:05 |
| tdasilva | then we get that 503 in the controller | 19:05 |
| torgomatic | tdasilva: yeah, I'll go read through that code some more | 19:06 |
| tdasilva | torgomatic: thanks for taking the time | 19:09 |
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| nunizacu | whats the correct owners and premissions for recon files? | 19:51 |
| nunizacu | no matter what i set it it changes constantly and deletes | 19:51 |
| nunizacu | you got idea about this or where this additional 8080 comes from? | 20:01 |
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| torgomatic | nunizacu: the additional 8080 is a bug in some older versions of python-swiftclient; it's not actually present in the returned auth URL, I think | 20:50 |
| torgomatic | nunizacu: I could be wrong, though, but tcpdump will tell the truth no matter what | 20:53 |
| torgomatic | nunizacu: my recon files are owned by swift/swift, mode 0600 | 20:54 |
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| notmyname | /back | 21:27 |
| notmyname | dfg: ya, the swiftstaclu cluster CI is just what peluse said. it's just getting set up. if it's still failing, I need to look in to that. | 21:28 |
| notmyname | dfg: and yes, it's putting logs into cloud files :-) | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | have I missed anything today? | 22:00 |
| peluse_ | just got back myself | 22:01 |
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| peluse | argh | 22:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jesse J. Cook proposed a change to openstack/python-swiftclient: Python sessions, streaming, and increased pool https://review.openstack.org/116065 | 22:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jesse J. Cook proposed a change to openstack/python-swiftclient: Python sessions, streaming, and increased pool https://review.openstack.org/116065 | 22:34 |
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| peluse | . | 22:39 |
| notmyname | peluse: why did your nick change to 7YUAAKAK5? | 22:40 |
| * notmyname suspects freenode issues | 22:40 | |
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| peluse | notmyname: no idea whats going on there... maybe this new IRC client did it? | 22:40 |
| peluse | now it tells me my nick is taken but still let me use it and says I don't know my own pw | 22:40 |
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| notmyname | peluse: no, I saw other nicks change too | 22:41 |
| * fifieldt wonders if they can be used as summit discount codes | 22:41 | |
| notmyname | heh | 22:41 |
| notmyname | fifieldt: I hear they're handing those out like candy | 22:41 |
| fifieldt | discounts? perhaps :) I wouldn't know - colleagues mostly do that | 22:42 |
| fifieldt | though I did hear a rumour that we're selling very fast | 22:42 |
| fifieldt | past half way to sold out for sure | 22:42 |
| fifieldt | seems a lot of people want to go to paris | 22:42 |
| notmyname | wow | 22:43 |
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| jokke_ | nice | 22:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Samuel Merritt proposed a change to openstack/swift: Fix last_modified_date_to_timestamp on non-UTC systems https://review.openstack.org/117907 | 23:08 |
| torgomatic | happy friday; go review some code that involves timezones ^^ :| | 23:08 |
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| matt__ | But it's Saturday | 23:51 |
| torgomatic | stupid timezones :) | 23:52 |
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