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| tonyb | mugsie: I can't give you ownership of the group as the point is for the stable team to validate additionsa and removals but asside from that as mriedem you can ask here for reviews while frickler and eandersson show they grok the policy etc. | 02:31 |
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| tonyb | mugsie: in the meantime I'll do meta-review and see how far off they are .... | 02:31 |
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| mugsie | tonyb: when did that change? We had the tag for ages before the stable team took over our team | 14:33 |
| mugsie | honestly, this is one thing that would make me want to drop the tag | 14:34 |
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| mriedem | tonyb: so was there agreement at the ptg that we wouldn't EOL stable/ocata, or at least not soon? | 14:55 |
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| tonyb | mugsie: No, stable-maint-core has always been the owner of the per project stable teams even before the tag existed | 22:12 |
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| tonyb | mriedem: Yeah we agreed in the room to give Ocata another 6months, mtreinish isnb't so happy and we certainly have a some technical issue to work thought there but I (un)EOLd ocata during the PTG | 22:13 |
| tonyb | ... well published a chnage to do that I don't know if it's merged yet | 22:14 |
| tonyb | mriedem: I need to go over your governance chnage and see what that looks like now after the discussin on the TC room | 22:14 |
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| mriedem | tonyb: i also need to go over my resolution patch to see the bazillion comments | 22:21 |
| mugsie | tonyb: for the integrated release projects, not for the rest of us. | 22:23 |
| mugsie | i am stuck in a catch 22 - we need stable reviewers to actually merge the little amount of backports we do have in a timely manner, but we dont have enough reviews to get people history to get in the team | 22:25 |
| mugsie | everyone I have had volenteer to do it gets told "need more stable reviews", so they give up, and I end up self approving | 22:25 |
| mugsie | the process you have *may* work with large projects with backport hungry vendors, but for the rest of us it is stiffling | 22:26 |
| mriedem | these are the only two you have open right now right? https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/designate+NOT+branch:master+status:open | 22:26 |
| mugsie | right now, yeah | 22:27 |
| mriedem | i'd be OK with PTL discretion for new stable cores in smaller projects, | 22:27 |
| mriedem | not sure how to define 'smaller' | 22:27 |
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| mugsie | I have literally had core reviewers on my team throw their eyes up mutter something about "freaking openstack" and just ignore stable/* when they were told they didn't have the history to join. | 22:28 |
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| tonyb | mugsie: I get waht you're saying. I'm a little frustreated as I sat in the help room for 1.5 days saying I was there to discuss with $teams how to grow per project stable teams and nada | 22:29 |
| tonyb | since the PTG I'ev had no less than 6 teams come to me with "how do we grow our stable teams?" | 22:30 |
| tonyb | mugsie: gimme today to think about it | 22:30 |
| mtreinish | tonyb: you even had tim tams, and still nothing (although I enjoyed them) | 22:30 |
| tonyb | mugsie: I'm not goign to engage on the "freaking openstack" comment | 22:30 |
| mriedem | we don't just throw people on the core team on a project on master until people have seen they are ready for it | 22:31 |
| mriedem | it's similar with core teams on stable, where the review rules are different | 22:31 |
| mugsie | sure, but I don't have to run that by anyone | 22:31 |
| mriedem | like i said, i'd personally be OK with the PTL ack on people they trust to not mess up stable branches | 22:31 |
| mriedem | for smaller projects where they need to seed the core team | 22:32 |
| mriedem | having said that, we also have the stable-maint-core team that is global and can be here to review stuff if one were to ask | 22:32 |
| mriedem | otherwise i don't go out looking for designate stable patches ot review | 22:32 |
| mriedem | *to | 22:32 |
| mugsie | this is my point. other (much larger) projects benifit from the stable-maint-core team spending time on them. if the stable-maint-core team does not actively engage on project, why is there a veto from said team? | 22:34 |
| mriedem | i wouldn't say the stable-maint-core team spends an inordinate amount of time on larger projects | 22:35 |
| mriedem | i harass mtreinish and tonyb for nova backport reviews the same as i bug nova-specific stable cores | 22:35 |
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| mriedem | the stable-maint-core team has the veto because historically they controlled the releases on stable, and the rules are different for backports to stable - a lot of projects have had PTLs not realize the differences for what's appropriate | 22:36 |
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| tonyb | mugsie: No as a stable-maint-core I *only* look at reviews I'm asked to / happen to notice | 22:38 |
| tonyb | mugsie: I dont' have a review dashbaord that I look at every day | 22:38 |
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| tonyb | mugsie: in that respect I don't care if it's cinder, designate, zaqar every project is the same | 22:38 |
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| mtreinish | I'm the same, I look at stable reviews I'm asked to. (most frequently by mriedem) | 22:39 |
| tonyb | mugsie: the exception is nova where I'm *also* a nova-stable-core so of course I look there ... just not as often as I should ;P | 22:39 |
| mugsie | oh, i assumed that people used https://github.com/openstack/gerrit-dash-creator/blob/master/dashboards/stable.dash | 22:39 |
| mtreinish | I didn't even know that existed | 22:40 |
| tonyb | mugsie: horizon and keystone are in basically ther same boat as designate | 22:40 |
| mriedem | i care about nova backports first and actively look for those, otherwise i review when pinged | 22:40 |
| mriedem | for other projets | 22:40 |
| tonyb | mugsie: Nope it's horribly out of date 'cause noone uses it (it still lists ceilometer and misses probably 50% of the actual stable projects) | 22:41 |
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| tonyb | mugsie: so while I think on how to handle/defien "smaller" projects I can add designate as a weekly review | 22:44 |
| tonyb | mugsie: and in the mean time you can encourage willing cores to +1 those backports with a review that indicates that they grok the stable policy | 22:45 |
| mugsie | cool - I have ask both eanderson and frickler to +/-1 backports in the meentime | 22:45 |
| mriedem | mugsie: feel free to periodically kick me to review something too after those other guys have +1ed | 22:50 |
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