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| prometheanfire | keystone liberty packaged :D (the git ebuild) | 05:25 |
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| stevema__ | prometheanfire: \o/ | 05:36 |
| prometheanfire | working on glance next | 06:01 |
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| prometheanfire | and now done | 09:11 |
| prometheanfire | nn :P | 09:11 |
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| apevec | Any ideas why did bot translate posix_ipc to posix-ipc ? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201172/1/requirements.txt | 13:20 |
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| zigo | ttx: How far has the tagging of the final Librety tag has gone so far? | 13:47 |
| apevec | I've seen some projects uploaded to Launchpad | 13:49 |
| ttx | zigo: in progress | 13:49 |
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| rameshg87 | hello folks | 15:24 |
| rameshg87 | a question on putting defect fixes on documentation is stable branch. what's the general perception about that ? | 15:24 |
| rameshg87 | we would like to fix it because it is related to security. | 15:24 |
| rameshg87 | it's not a true backport either, because the content is applicable only to that stable branch (stable/kilo it is) | 15:25 |
| rameshg87 | any thoughts ? | 15:25 |
| rameshg87 | this is in ironic btw - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219603/ | 15:25 |
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| prometheanfire | so, liberty doesn't get caps on the requirements? | 17:55 |
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| dims_ | prometheanfire: y, note the firedrill when i released some oslo libs off master for mitaka a few days ago | 18:15 |
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| prometheanfire | dims_: what was the result of that? | 18:17 |
| dims_ | prometheanfire: revisit that in tokyo | 18:18 |
| prometheanfire | ah | 18:18 |
| prometheanfire | which session is that? | 18:18 |
| dims_ | mriedem: am i stating this correctly? | 18:18 |
| prometheanfire | want to make sure I can view the firestorm | 18:18 |
| dims_ | prometheanfire: dunno, mriedem or dhellmann may know | 18:20 |
| prometheanfire | cool | 18:20 |
| prometheanfire | I'm personally fine with no caps, just thought it was odd | 18:20 |
| dims_ | prometheanfire: y the stable team was the one most hit by caps | 18:23 |
| prometheanfire | I package, so I was hit :P | 18:24 |
| dims_ | right :) | 18:24 |
| prometheanfire | gentoo has had liberty for a while though now :P | 18:24 |
| mriedem | i missed the first part of the conversation | 18:33 |
| prometheanfire | 12:55 < prometheanfire > so, liberty doesn't get caps on the requirements? | 18:34 |
| mriedem | devstack / tempest jobs have capped libs due to upper-constraints in the requirements repo | 18:34 |
| prometheanfire | when's the session to discuss that? | 18:34 |
| mriedem | but that doesn't apply to the unit test jobs yet | 18:34 |
| mriedem | so when oslo.db 3.0 came out it broke the unit test jobs in several projects | 18:34 |
| prometheanfire | it's fine, just thought that it was odd with kilo having caps | 18:35 |
| mriedem | upper-constraints is new in liberty | 18:35 |
| mriedem | we still do caps in juno and kilo | 18:35 |
| mriedem | both approaches have drawbacks | 18:36 |
| dims_ | mriedem: out of 300+ listed in g-r, very few have a "<" sign | 18:36 |
| apevec | mriedem, so idea is to apply u-c for unittests ? | 18:36 |
| mriedem | apevec: there is some of that yes | 18:36 |
| mriedem | but i don't see how it could replace the unit test jobs that run w/o uc- | 18:36 |
| prometheanfire | so how does that help packagers know what actual upper constraints are? | 18:37 |
| mriedem | *u-c | 18:37 |
| mriedem | prometheanfire: that's my argument too | 18:37 |
| mriedem | lifeless is the guy to talk to really | 18:37 |
| mriedem | i won't be in tokyo to go over this | 18:37 |
| dims_ | mriedem: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/nova/tree/tox.ini#n13 | 18:37 |
| dims_ | mriedem: i did not see that get in... upper-constraints.txt | 18:37 |
| mriedem | dims_: that's only when running with the special constraints jobs | 18:38 |
| prometheanfire | having gate not represent reality is stupid | 18:38 |
| mriedem | like gate-neutron-python27-constraints or whatever | 18:38 |
| dims_ | mriedem: ouch!! | 18:38 |
| mriedem | prometheanfire: i agree with that | 18:38 |
| mriedem | the two main issues with the caps in the past, IMO, have been (1) <= when < should be used and (2) projects not following semver and releases patch version updates too often when they should be bumping minor versions | 18:39 |
| prometheanfire | will need to find that session | 18:39 |
| mriedem | we've gotten better about (1) due to reviews in g-r, | 18:39 |
| mriedem | and (2) because of the openstack/releases repo | 18:40 |
| mriedem | so there is more oversight on what people are doing | 18:40 |
| mriedem | that doesn't prevent upstream deps from breaking us, but that's not new | 18:40 |
| prometheanfire | yep, it used to be bad, it's gotten better | 18:40 |
| mriedem | the major problem with caps in g-r is the syncing of everything in the ecosystem | 18:40 |
| mriedem | but, at least imo, that's a straight forward manageable problem | 18:40 |
| prometheanfire | indeed | 18:41 |
| prometheanfire | when mitaka is released then liberty will pull those in | 18:42 |
| mriedem | b/c they aren't capped in requirements.txt in the liberty packages, i know | 18:42 |
| prometheanfire | ya | 18:42 |
| prometheanfire | who thought this was a good idea? | 18:43 |
| mriedem | i wanted to cap oslo.db<3.0 in liberty | 18:43 |
| mriedem | the u-c stuff has been a WIP for about the last 6 months now | 18:43 |
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| prometheanfire | :P | 18:43 |
| mriedem | started as an idea shortly before YVR | 18:43 |
| mriedem | the key people though are lifeless, dhellmann and probably sdague | 18:43 |
| prometheanfire | any channel they are all in? | 18:44 |
| mriedem | -dev | 18:44 |
| prometheanfire | ouch | 18:44 |
| mriedem | there might also be some assumptions about people installing services in venvs or containers which does some isolation, but i don't think you can assume that | 18:44 |
| prometheanfire | upstreams don't control that, so I'd say not | 18:45 |
| mriedem | anyway, discussing this in irc is difficult, really need like a hangout or session with face to face | 18:45 |
| prometheanfire | yep | 18:45 |
| mriedem | ML is a non-starter | 18:45 |
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| prometheanfire | still gonna send it | 18:47 |
| prometheanfire | because this bugs me | 18:47 |
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| mriedem | :) | 18:48 |
| mriedem | tha'ts fine, i was thinking about starting up a posse on tuesday | 18:48 |
| mriedem | but ran out of steam | 18:48 |
| prometheanfire | lol | 18:49 |
| prometheanfire | well, sent | 19:01 |
| mriedem | heh, lifeless already pounced | 19:09 |
| prometheanfire | and already responded with not good enough | 19:10 |
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| mriedem | well, so what i had been hearing, or my understanding was, that you as a packager had to both check requirements and upper-constraints now, which i thought was kind of bogus | 19:11 |
| prometheanfire | aparently it's 'trivial' | 19:12 |
| mriedem | it also doesn't help people that pip install w/o packages, as far as i can tell | 19:12 |
| mriedem | unless you're using that constraints thing | 19:13 |
| prometheanfire | yep | 19:14 |
| prometheanfire | the constraints are too restrictive | 19:14 |
| prometheanfire | === is not good | 19:14 |
| prometheanfire | should have mentioned that tto | 19:14 |
| prometheanfire | too | 19:14 |
| mriedem | that's not how they are used | 19:19 |
| mriedem | it's not the same as like pip install == | 19:19 |
| mriedem | as far as i know anyway | 19:19 |
| dims | prometheanfire: i can't find the session either | 19:19 |
| prometheanfire | ya | 19:20 |
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| prometheanfire | hopefully someone can find that session | 19:42 |
| prometheanfire | something as simple as a daily job on stable/liberty and cap when needed would be good enough | 19:42 |
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| prometheanfire | m/win 3 | 20:33 |
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| prometheanfire | upstream doesn't want to work with packages, ok | 22:21 |
| prometheanfire | I'll just fucking quit | 22:21 |
| prometheanfire | working with upstream is too stressful | 22:22 |
| prometheanfire | well, not working, arguing, because nothing seems to get done about it | 22:22 |
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