| fungi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhH_VpSleZE is a podcast interviewing a former openstack contributor and ptl about open source security topics | 16:46 |
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| * fungi is using the term "podcast" without being entirely sure what it means | 16:47 | |
| JayF | I think that's an actual podcast you can get on your phone, too | 16:48 |
| JayF | 100% is, just search for "my open source experience" | 16:49 |
| * JayF is publishing "episode 0" of his own GR-flavored podcast in a couple of weeks and doing the similar "podcast but also on youtube" pattern | 16:49 | |
| fungi | yeah, my loose understanding of the term is that podcasts are things people with an ipod can download a recording of and listen to asynchronously, but it seems like the term has taken on additional meanings | 16:49 |
| fungi | perhaps in part due to ~nobody having actual ipods these days | 16:50 |
| * fungi wonders what it would have been called if the target device was a sony walkman | 16:50 | |
| JayF | I think "youtube podcasts" is the first really ... abuse of the term | 16:51 |
| fungi | makes sense | 16:51 |
| JayF | but generally a podcast is something that provides content (video/audio) with an RSS feed that is in a standard format | 16:51 |
| JayF | any other meaning is marketing :D | 16:52 |
| * fungi plugs his headphones back into his walkman and ignores the past 30 years of technological advancement for a little while | 16:52 | |
| JayF | I was podcasting podcasts into my Zune before some openstack contributors were born :D | 16:53 |
| JayF | (hint: the podcast, and iPod, are both *well* over 20 yrs old now) | 16:53 |
| fungi | could be time for a poll on how many people remember what a zune was | 16:53 |
| JayF | bwahahaha | 16:54 |
| JayF | the big brown thing people who liked money more than style would buy in the early 2000s :P | 16:54 |
| fungi | elsewhere i found myself describing the y2k scare to people who weren't born when it occurred | 16:54 |
| * fungi shudders | 16:55 | |
| JayF | hopefully people know the 2^32 seconds scare is coming, too :D | 16:59 |
| JayF | time_tpocalypse | 16:59 |
| fungi | granted i'm not old enough to have solid memories of the gasoline crisis of the 70s and waiting in line for hours to fuel up the family car, so i sort of equate that to stories of the generation that came before me, much like they don't remember food rationing during wwii | 16:59 |
| fungi | debian's almost done with their time_t64 transition, painful as it has been for those of us running the unstable suite | 17:01 |
| JayF | I need to look in detail, but I believe for 64 bit systems, the new gentoo profile did the trick for us too | 17:08 |
| JayF | but I know they were upset about glibc's original swing at it, it'd be interesting to see how they got around it | 17:08 |
| fungi | gentoo probably has less baggage around recompiling things than debian, just based on their respective distribution models | 17:09 |
| fungi | seems like something gentoo is able to absorb the impact of a bit more easily | 17:09 |
| JayF | well, basically the major thing they always try to avoid is needing a boot disk for upgrade ... and the profile update last time, even though it included a breaking change (gzip -> zstd compression for some things) it was able to be done no-boot-disk | 17:10 |
| JayF | some early proposals aiui basically eliminiated the possibility of 32bit-time_t code and 64bit-time_t code from working alongside | 17:11 |
| JayF | but that was when openstack got busy and I had to turn off "Distrocenter" on ESPN :P | 17:11 |
| fungi | in debian it's been endless transitions since around november of last year, replacing built libs (mostly) with alternative 64-bit time variants and then updating ever other package which relies on those libs to require the 64-bit time versions of them | 17:12 |
| fungi | keeping in mind that some binary packages in debian are 15-20 years old because they just haven't needed a recompile in that timespan until now | 17:13 |
| JayF | Yeah, in Gentoo for a package to stay around it's gotta build and pass it's own tests so we tend to drop those things. It's actually kinda annoying. Even some old packages are now binary-only (e.g. ncdu-bin superceded ncdu) because they can't build in a modern gentoo set of libraries/compilers. | 17:15 |
| fungi | debian does at least flag packages for removal when they stop successfully building from source, but whether there are any post-build tests conducted is a per-package-maintainer decision and tends to only really be added for more actively maintained packages | 17:20 |
| fungi | by which i'll readily admit that the one package i'm maintaining in debian doesn't have any post-build automated testing | 17:23 |
| JayF | I'll note that "it must pass its own tests" and "it has tests" are two separate checks, Gentoo does the earlier but not the latter lol | 17:43 |
| fungi | for anyone not following the foundation-board ml, there's a call organized at 15:00 utc this thursday (2024-04-25) forming an informal working group around the intersection of project security efforts and regulatory compliance: https://lists.openinfra.dev/archives/list/foundation-board@lists.openinfra.dev/message/PR6DOBAWMKHWWRTPPWIY4EFH46O2JOMB/ | 22:05 |
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