Wednesday, 2017-04-26

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openstackgerritTakashi NATSUME proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: Add '--no-live' and '--force' option in 'server migrate'  https://review.openstack.org/42756506:06
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openstackgerritDuan Jiong proposed openstack/python-openstacksdk master: fix typo  https://review.openstack.org/45996306:34
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openstackgerritRui Chen proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: Live migration to choose host automatically  https://review.openstack.org/45966706:40
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openstackgerritTakashi NATSUME proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: List/show all server migration types  https://review.openstack.org/45011907:17
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openstackgerritCarlos Goncalves proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: Add 'data_plane_status' option to Port classes  https://review.openstack.org/45862608:31
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openstackgerritRui Chen proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: WIP: Rework server migrate to support cold and live  https://review.openstack.org/46005910:58
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openstackgerritBrian Curtin proposed openstack/python-openstacksdk master: Correct Network ports docstring for query parameters  https://review.openstack.org/45996311:56
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openstackgerritBrian Curtin proposed openstack/python-openstacksdk master: Correct Network `ports` query parameters  https://review.openstack.org/45996312:59
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/python-openstacksdk master: Correct Network `ports` query parameters  https://review.openstack.org/45996313:35
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openstackgerritDean Troyer proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: Fix NoneType error for volume snapshot create command  https://review.openstack.org/44049716:08
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openstackgerritDean Troyer proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: Develop api.versions for microversion discovery  https://review.openstack.org/45161816:33
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mordredcdent: fwiw, I'd argue that changes to the min_version are a de-facto new major version - but that might be better for a beer discussion in boston17:15
cdentthere's been a few statements like that at various different times, and one position is that every-single-microversion is in fact a major version17:16
cdentand that the reason for being able to tweak min_version is to indicate something more major than major17:16
cdentall of which is wordplay17:16
cdentbut seems to keep at least some contexts happy17:16
mordredcdent: yah - I think for me it's different because the major version sets the floor- if you do nothing else, these things will be present. then each microversion is an opt-in change to that base contract that a user can request17:25
mordredcdent: so the version discovery process allows a user to select which of the base palettes of API are available that they'd like to work with17:26
mordredand then microversions allow for subsequent tweaking of that17:26
cdentsure, but if you plan to only ever have one base palette, how's that work?17:27
mordredbumping a min is similar to removing a major from the deployment- if you say "I'd like to work with glance v1" and the cloud doesn't have v1, then you know what's going on quickly17:27
cdentyes17:27
mordredcdent: i'd say if you plan to only ever have one base palette that you should never bump your min17:27
mordredsince the min is the default palette17:27
cdentI agree. Am I supposed to be defending something? ;)17:28
mordredbut if you do want to e able to bump your min, then the mechanism for doing that is called "release a new major api version"17:28
cdentah, that17:28
mordredcdent: I don;t think so -it's entirely possible we're in total agreement17:28
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cdentIf I were to try to defend/posit something, it would be: dear god stop putting versions in urls, if you need versions, put them in discovery, but preserve urls17:29
mordredbut it's also possible this is entirely a place where I'm being unreasonable but we'd have more fun discovering that iwth beers :)17:29
cdent(even in the face of major versions)17:29
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mordredcdent: yah - I'd totallybe on board with that - and with decoupling the two concepts17:29
cdentmordred: so I've just changed my boston flights so that I'm not there saturday to the sunday 8 days later, so I should have plenty of time to noodle about these things over beverages of our choice, especially if there is a bull involved17:32
cdents/not/now/17:33
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openstackgerritBrian Curtin proposed openstack/python-openstacksdk master: Port database v1 to resource2  https://review.openstack.org/46023617:45
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openstackgerritMonty Taylor proposed openstack/api-wg master: Add guidelines on Version Discovery  https://review.openstack.org/45971017:49
openstackgerritMonty Taylor proposed openstack/api-wg master: Add document describing consuming discovery  https://review.openstack.org/45940517:49
mordredcdent: ^^ I have responded to yours and morgan's comments - which has resulted in the removal of the Versioned document as a recommendation (although it does suggest an amendment to existing ones should they exist)17:50
mordredand the result is quite a bit nicer all around I believe (was able to streamline a portion of the consume process too)17:50
cdentmordred: awesome, will look again tomorrow morning, assuming the sun rises once more17:51
mordredcdent: here's hoping that's a good assumption17:51
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openstackgerritDean Troyer proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: Functional test for subnet_pool  https://review.openstack.org/44015017:52
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/46026418:19
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/python-openstackclient master: SDK refactor: Set "is_admin_state_up" for network agent  https://review.openstack.org/42799818:50
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/python-openstackclient master: Fix NoneType error for volume snapshot create command  https://review.openstack.org/44049719:08
cdentmordred: just read your novel and it made me think of what I think is becoming a bit of a candard: why can't we just have a service catalog that is a static cacheable file?19:10
mordredcdent: because of data that's different per-user19:13
mordredcdent: BUT - that's sort of what this is :)19:13
cdentthat's essentially my question: if project id and tenant id are not part of urls (because they shouldn't be in the glorious future) what part is per-user?19:14
cdent(and not just "what" but "why")19:14
mordredcdent: the big use case is rolling out new services to subsets of users19:14
cdentyeah, I think it was in vancouver there was some degree of support for "just don't do that, just tell those people about the special thing"19:15
cdentbut that's probably unrealistic19:15
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mordredyah. also, there is stil a chicken-and-egg with putting this info into a nice static cacheable catalog19:15
mordredwhich is hat one of the things that's imposibleto discover is "what auth plugin does my cloud's keystone use"19:15
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openstackgerritDean Troyer proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: Add default-quota to subnet pool commands  https://review.openstack.org/43736719:17
mordredcdent: I've got an update though that maybe addresses it a little...19:18
cdentmordred: I'm not suggested _all_ of it go in the service catalog19:19
cdentjust the stuff that is actually about services19:19
cdentthe post auth stuff19:19
mordredyah - I hear you19:20
openstackgerritMonty Taylor proposed openstack/api-wg master: WIP Add guideline describing a cloud profile document  https://review.openstack.org/45986919:21
mordredcdent: there's some updates that maybe touch on this some? (it's also probably a great topic for beverages)19:21
cdentyah, mostly just making conversation at this point because my brain got tickled19:22
mordred\o/19:23
mordredit's fun conversation19:23
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/python-openstackclient master: Remove ipdb installation in tox debug section  https://review.openstack.org/45918019:29
mordredcdent: it occurs to me from working on these specs, that there are two different type of advice happening (three, really, but one is an outlier so meh)19:33
mordreda) this is how a service's API should work and b) these are things a deployer should do so that the service works as expected19:34
mordredthey're both in service of "this is how the APIs should work when people consume them" - but there's definitely two different audiences19:34
mordrednow I'm mostly just musing out loud19:34
openstackgerritBrian Curtin proposed openstack/python-openstacksdk master: Port identity v2 to resource2  https://review.openstack.org/46028819:35
cdentthey are two different audiences, true, but I think we do ourselves a disservice when we keep that kind of information separated. the context is useful for the other audience19:35
mordredtotally agree19:35
mordredI think one of the great things about the stuff in this repo is that is gives context and intended outcome and isn't just focused on impl details19:36
mordredmostly just started musing about ways to leave breadcrumbs to things so that a deployer could consume the things they need to without getting overwhelmed - but  maybe that's just making sure the deployer guide is up to date and has pointers - like "do this. for more information, see api-wg document ..."19:37
openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/46026419:38
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cdentyeah, more intertwingliness would be good19:40
mordreda good for instance is that I ran across a public cloud with two regions. each region had a separate auth_url (which is decently normal) - but both regions thought of themselves as "RegionOne"19:40
mordredI poked the operator and pointed out how that's confusing for a user - and their response was that nobody had ever given any advice on how to structure regions19:41
cdentfair cop19:42
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mordredso what they actually had was two compltely independent clouds that happened to share a brand19:42
mordredand I'm pretty sure we couldhave served them better :)19:42
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openstackgerritBrian Curtin proposed openstack/python-openstacksdk master: Port image v1 to resource2  https://review.openstack.org/46029119:52
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briancurtinQiming: what do you think about just removing message v1 instead of porting it to resource2? it was deprecated in 2014, and we have had proper v2 support for quite a while now22:07
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openstackgerritDean Troyer proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: Fix quota functional tests for nova-net  https://review.openstack.org/46033422:09
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openstackgerritEric Fried proposed openstack/keystoneauth master: WIP: Introduce keystoneauth1.loading.adapter  https://review.openstack.org/46033722:46
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/python-openstackclient master: Functional test for subnet_pool  https://review.openstack.org/44015023:23
openstackgerritMerged openstack/python-openstackclient master: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/46026423:40
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openstackgerritDean Troyer proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: Fix server create with nova-net  https://review.openstack.org/46035223:50
openstackgerritDean Troyer proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: Fix quota functional tests for nova-net  https://review.openstack.org/46033423:52
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