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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-openstackclient master: Cleanup release notes for 3.9.0 release https://review.openstack.org/442150 | 00:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/osc-lib master: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/440084 | 02:04 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/442229 | 02:06 |
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| adriant | dtroyer_zz, when you're about, can you take a gander at: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/376056/ please :) | 02:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Adrian Turjak proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: Non-Admin can't list own projects https://review.openstack.org/376056 | 05:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Adrian Turjak proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: Non-Admin can't list own projects https://review.openstack.org/376056 | 05:16 |
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| dasanind | reedip_: reviewed ur patch https://review.openstack.org/383025 | 06:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rui Chen proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: Add server event list and show commands https://review.openstack.org/441775 | 07:27 |
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| reedip_ | thanks dasanind :) | 07:51 |
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| reedip_1 | o/ | 11:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | kavitha h r proposed openstack/cliff master: Python 3.4 support is removed https://review.openstack.org/442419 | 12:28 |
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| sdague | cdent: I went through - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/421846 | 12:35 |
| sdague | I'd be good with it landing as is, but there is a comment towards the end | 12:35 |
| sdague | that I'm not sure i want to encourage people to do a thing which is going to be fragile | 12:36 |
| cdent | That was something that was, weirdly, a revelation to people in the room when we were discussing things | 12:37 |
| cdent | there was fear that you couldn't go backwards in time once you go forwards in time on the the client side | 12:37 |
| cdent | so we decided _something_ should be put in the doc that made it more clear | 12:38 |
| cdent | but what's there may not be the right something | 12:38 |
| cdent | sdague: did you see the stuff on the earlier patchset about experimental? any concerns/thoughts there? | 12:38 |
| sdague | cdent: I didn't look at earlier revisions, I think what is in the current revision of the doc is what we recommended in the room | 12:39 |
| cdent | and no more details required? | 12:39 |
| sdague | cdent: I'm fine with that. | 12:40 |
| cdent | cool, thanks for passing your eyes over it | 12:41 |
| sdague | so, I honestly think we probably just need a different document on best practices on writing clients. | 12:42 |
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| sdague | because the audience for this document isn't really going to overlap with that audience much | 12:43 |
| sdague | besides like a mordred | 12:43 |
| cdent | sdague: yeah, that's probably a reasonable point. I just wanted to make sure it got down somewhere for people to look at so we could make that decision | 12:56 |
| cdent | having a different doc is a good idea | 12:56 |
| sdague | I have to admit, playing with this blockdiag markup for the quota models doc has also given me some thoughts about effective diagramming for the microversion consumers guide | 12:58 |
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| cdent | sdague: that would be cool | 13:23 |
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| dtroyer_zz | stevemar: are you travelling today? | 13:52 |
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| dave-mccowan | Hello API WG. I have some questions about micro-versions and how to use them. Is now a good time? | 14:04 |
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| cdent | dave-mccowan: I can try to help, now, but if we can't figure it out a post to the os-dev list or coming to the meeting on thursday might help. What's up? | 14:08 |
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| dave-mccowan | this is for Barbican. During the Pike cycle, we'd like to make a few changes to our API, and I want to make sure to do it right. I think micro versions is the way to go. | 14:09 |
| dave-mccowan | 1) we want to add a field to several of our responses, 2) we'd like to create an alias for one of our resources, 3) we'd like to start deprecating a resource that we announced we would deprecate last cycle. | 14:10 |
| dave-mccowan | first... can all of those things be done as part of a microversion. next... is there a doc somewhere describing how to do a microversion? | 14:11 |
| cdent | dave-mccowan: there's a couple of things that might be useful: | 14:12 |
| cdent | this is the microversion spec http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/microversion_specification.html which describes how they are supposed to work | 14:13 |
| cdent | there is a review of the guidelines for when a microversion is needed here: https://review.openstack.org/421846 | 14:13 |
| cdent | and looking at the commit log for how placement implemented microversions might be useful (as it was a recent implementation) https://github.com/openstack/nova/commits/master/nova/api/openstack/placement/microversion.py | 14:14 |
| cdent | dave-mccowan: to answer your questions more directly: yes, adding a field is a common microversion thing; not quite sure what you mean by alias so not sure about that; deprecating a resource is okay, but generally the concept with stability is that you keep something in the api as long as possible, even in its deprecated state | 14:16 |
| cdent | with microversions you raise the minimum version if you want to fully get rid of something | 14:16 |
| dave-mccowan | cdent thanks. | 14:17 |
| dave-mccowan | cdent for my "alias" question, here's what i have in mind. i'd be happy to hear any advice. | 14:17 |
| cdent | is that sufficient to get you started? | 14:17 |
| dave-mccowan | cdent in barbican we have a resource called "container". sadly, this term has taken on a very popular non-related definition, so we'd like to rename it to something else. (bundle/group/??) | 14:18 |
| cdent | :) | 14:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Ian Cordasco proposed openstack/keystoneauth master: Allow new cassettes to be recorded via fixture https://review.openstack.org/442516 | 14:19 |
| dave-mccowan | would making an alias for "container", and responding to both GET /container/ and GET /group/ be an OK thing to do? | 14:19 |
| cdent | yes, but you could also consider a redirect | 14:19 |
| sigmavirus | mordred: could you take a gander at ^ | 14:20 |
| dave-mccowan | cdent ah... redirect. i like it. | 14:20 |
| cdent | dave-mccowan: especially if it is just a GET the impact should be low | 14:21 |
| cdent | I know that in ceilometer when they moved alarms out of ceilo to aodh they did a special kind of redirect that also works for POST | 14:21 |
| cdent | 307 if I remember right | 14:21 |
| cdent | or mayb 308 | 14:21 |
| dave-mccowan | cdent for the deprectated question... is there a recommended response for a deprecated resource? is there something better than 404? | 14:22 |
| cdent | If it is deprecated, that means it still works but will stop working at some point, so 404 is no good. There's not been a plan for how it would work other than docs. | 14:23 |
| cdent | But if you have a microversion that removes the functionality then in the older microversion it works, and in the newer microversion it is 404 | 14:23 |
| cdent | if you want to say in the body of the 404 response "this doesn't work in this microversion" that would be up to you | 14:24 |
| dave-mccowan | cdent this will get me started. i'll put our plans in a spec and advertise it to the api-wg for review. thanks! | 14:26 |
| cdent | dave-mccowan: there was some discussion at the PTG about being able to forward warn about the minimum microversion being raised, bottom of this doc: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ptg-architecture-workgroup | 14:26 |
| cdent | dave-mccowan: awesome, looking forward to it | 14:26 |
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| mordred | sigmavirus: yup - looking | 14:47 |
| mordred | sigmavirus: looks great! | 14:47 |
| sigmavirus | mordred: have another on the way | 14:48 |
| sigmavirus | (patch, not patchset) | 14:48 |
| mordred | woot | 14:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ian Cordasco proposed openstack/keystoneauth master: Allow users to specify a serializer easily https://review.openstack.org/442536 | 14:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Bence Romsics proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: Make MAC address of port updatable https://review.openstack.org/442543 | 15:02 |
| sigmavirus | Thanks for reviewing those mordred | 15:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/os-client-config master: Add helper factory functions for use in OpenStack services https://review.openstack.org/439120 | 15:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/os-client-config master: Don't create auth plugin until get_session https://review.openstack.org/438196 | 15:40 |
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| mordred | dtroyer_zz: ^^ trying to get small steps towards only creating the auth plugin on demand rather than at config reading - also https://review.openstack.org/438266 I _think_ handles both current occ and the new patch simultaneously | 16:02 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer_zz: yep! | 16:10 |
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| dtroyer_zz | where are you staying? Dinner? | 16:12 |
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| mordred | dtroyer_zz: also - the occ/osc source integration job definitely works, because it sure does fail on the previous version of that patch | 16:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sindhu Devale proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: OSC Extension Show https://review.openstack.org/382023 | 17:10 |
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| mordred | dtroyer_zz, stevemar: I just got http://logs.openstack.org/66/438266/2/check/gate-osc-dsvm-functional-ubuntu-xenial/a1cca3d/testr_results.html.gz on a patch - is that a known recurring issue? | 18:16 |
| ankur-gupta-f4 | Seen random volume tests failing in the past. Not sure if its a consistent recurring error | 18:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-openstackclient master: Add server event list and show commands https://review.openstack.org/441775 | 19:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/os-client-config master: Add ability to skip yaml loading https://review.openstack.org/438560 | 19:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sindhu Devale proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: OSC Extension Show https://review.openstack.org/382023 | 20:06 |
| dtroyer_zz | mordred: re the OSC functional tests, I think we've had some raciness around running out of volume space if tests run too much in parallel. | 20:06 |
| mordred | dtroyer_zz: gotcha. yah - I see racy volume related tests in shade functional tests too | 20:07 |
| dtroyer_zz | I upped our backing file size and that helped a bunch, can't recall actaully seeing that failure since then until now | 20:08 |
| mordred | dtroyer_zz: ah - ours isn't space - we have problems with deleting volumes and state transitions - it's on my list of things to dig in to deeper | 20:09 |
| dims_ | dtroyer_zz : found some cleanups for package names/imports and lined up a review | 20:11 |
| dims_ | (golang-client) | 20:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Dean Troyer proposed openstack/python-openstackclient master: Refactor ServerTests and ServerEventTests functional test classes https://review.openstack.org/442645 | 20:12 |
| mordred | dtroyer_zz, dims_: speaking of golang-client- there was a question on that etherpad about why golang-client and why not just patches to gophercloud - the answer so far is "ask dtroyer_zz " | 20:12 |
| dims_ | mordred : dtroyer_zz : y that was my comment :) | 20:13 |
| mordred | dims_: :) | 20:13 |
| dtroyer_zz | so, yeah, I don't have a current answer to that, except that I've always wanted to have the same sort of semantics around the Go SDK as we have in the Python libs | 20:14 |
| dtroyer_zz | like wrapping the ksa bits into the "normal" route for calling REST endpoints, similar to what we did with requests | 20:14 |
| dims_ | dtroyer_zz : anyone else helping with that work? | 20:15 |
| dtroyer_zz | jamielennox and I talked about that a bit more in ATL | 20:15 |
| mordred | dtroyer_zz: ++ | 20:15 |
| dtroyer_zz | dims_: no, it's been largely idel for a while now, one reason I picked that repo to use for the CTI work | 20:15 |
| dims_ | ack dtroyer_zz let's see if we can rustle up some folks to help with that | 20:16 |
| dtroyer_zz | although there is one group interested in continuing to use it, they've submitted some recent reviews and I understand they want to continue, even with the other changes we need to make to it yet | 20:16 |
| mordred | dims_, dtroyer_zz: also, gophercloud seems a bit rackspace-centric- and is also keystonev2 centric | 20:17 |
| mordred | https://godoc.org/github.com/rackspace/gophercloud#AuthOptions being a good example of that | 20:18 |
| dtroyer_zz | dims_: the priority there is Identity v3 auth plugins and such, then making the rest of the calling conventions match | 20:18 |
| dtroyer_zz | mordred: yup | 20:18 |
| dims_ | makes sense mordred dtroyer_zz | 20:18 |
| dtroyer_zz | personally, I want the low-level SDK equivalent so I can guild go-osc on top of it | 20:19 |
| mordred | dtroyer_zz: if I get off my lazy butt I'll try to help with clouds.yaml reading support or something - working on language 2 might help spur me to document the more undocumented things :) | 20:19 |
| dtroyer_zz | mordred: that is always a good way to re-think things :) | 20:19 |
| briancurtin | (i don’t work on or care about go whatsoever, but…) gophercloud shifted away from being a rackspace lib first and foremost into being an openstack lib that also supports rackspace | 20:19 |
| dims_ | briancurtin : that's great to hear! | 20:20 |
| mordred | briancurtin: yah - I noticed that focus for sure | 20:20 |
| dtroyer_zz | briancurtin: cool. I haven't looked at it closely in a while, does it do Identity v3 yet? | 20:20 |
| dtroyer_zz | (if you know) | 20:20 |
| mordred | dtroyer_zz: it is not documented to, no | 20:20 |
| briancurtin | dtroyer_zz: no clue | 20:22 |
| mordred | briancurtin: my 'seems a bit rackspace-centric' is more drawn from the places where gophercloud decided to name various concepts differently in places and how it links to rackspace docs for concepts rather than openstack docs. etc | 20:22 |
| mordred | briancurtin: I think it's actually done a pretty good job of trying to support openstack broadly | 20:22 |
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| mordred | dtroyer_zz: oh - I'm terribly sorry - I'm wrong - it does have domain support | 20:25 |
| mordred | although reading the docs it seems that it doesn't support a difference between project_domain and user_domain - but instead just takes domain_id/domain_name which is documented to be applicable to username | 20:26 |
| dtroyer_zz | good deal, that would be a huge omission these days… also is an indication of how long it's been since I looked at it closely | 20:26 |
| mordred | yah | 20:26 |
| mordred | well - it's in a half-way awkward place, since it's using tenant nomenclature but supports domain - but only supports domain for user | 20:27 |
| mordred | and it also has the rackspace-specific apikey as a option but no direct support for auth plugins | 20:27 |
| mordred | so - you know - joys of being an openstack client that we've all dealt with :) | 20:28 |
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| mordred | briancurtin, dtroyer_zz: AHHHHH - I was looking at the wrong thing | 20:41 |
| mordred | there is rackspace/gophercloud and gophercloud/gophercloud - google still returns the rackspace/gophercloud stuff | 20:42 |
| mordred | I mean - it still has only tenant terms - but apikey is not a top level thing anymore, so yay! | 20:46 |
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| mordred | dtroyer_zz, dims_: dangit. I was not planning on writing gophercloud patches this afternoon: https://github.com/gophercloud/gophercloud/pull/286 | 21:03 |
| dims_ | lol, can't unsee stuff that will bother us :) | 21:04 |
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