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| reedip | RuiChen: need your response to my comment in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307556/5 :) | 00:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Reedip proposed openstack/python-openstackclient: Add VLAN Transparent option to ``osc network`` https://review.openstack.org/307556 | 00:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Reedip proposed openstack/python-openstackclient: Add VLAN Transparent option to ``osc network`` https://review.openstack.org/307556 | 00:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Brad Behle proposed openstack/python-openstackclient: Add new share and default parms to subnet pool cmds https://review.openstack.org/307540 | 01:13 |
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| RuiChen | reedip: got it | 01:19 |
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| RuiChen | reedip: I do some clarification in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307556/ | 01:42 |
| reedip | okay RuiChen | 01:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Reedip proposed openstack/python-openstackclient: Add VLAN Transparent option to ``osc network`` https://review.openstack.org/307556 | 01:48 |
| reedip | stevemar: Awake? If so , I need your point of view on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307556/5/openstackclient/network/v2/network.py ( the first comment about devref on Line#99) | 01:48 |
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| stevemar | reedip: howdy | 01:50 |
| reedip | stevemar: just fighting a losing battle :P | 01:51 |
| stevemar | reedip: i guess if the option is a mutex you should use if/elif | 01:52 |
| reedip | stevemar: Ideally yeah, but the catch comes when the DEFAULT value is NONE | 01:52 |
| stevemar | which, it is: vlan_transparent_grp = parser.add_mutually_exclusive_group | 01:52 |
| stevemar | hmm | 01:52 |
| reedip | stevemar: if both options have a default none value, then if user does not specify either, the if/elif would still work but having 2 ifs are better in that case | 01:53 |
| reedip | elif actually serves the purpose of if, just helps to skip if the first if is executed | 01:53 |
| reedip | and as the mutually_exclusive_group is already doing an if-else clause, so half of our work is done | 01:54 |
| stevemar | reedip: devref is just that, a reference :) | 01:55 |
| stevemar | i wouldn't worry too much about this | 01:55 |
| reedip | stevemar: I would, because the -1 is being given on following it point to point and others also agree to it . Its great that reviewers are following it, but its just that some freedom should also be given to the developer | 01:56 |
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| stevemar | reedip: seems like rui chen is OK with things now :) | 01:57 |
| reedip | devref is there to stop any mishaps from happening, and thats why we should follow it | 01:57 |
| reedip | yes, but I would prefer discussing it in tomorrow's meeting once, because there are a lot more reviewers who may point out to this thing | 01:57 |
| reedip | convincing everyone individually would a pain point :) | 01:58 |
| stevemar | good call | 02:01 |
| stevemar | reedip: did you catch this thread: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/092546.html | 02:02 |
| dtroyer | I just saw this go by re the 'if not options are specified' bit… | 02:02 |
| dtroyer | that's why we do the mutex booleans the way we do (—enable|—disable), so if both are false/None, no option was specified on the command line | 02:03 |
| reedip | stevemar: nice , I just brushed it up now, will read it in depth a bit later | 02:04 |
| reedip | dtroyer: but we can safely use elif, cant we? | 02:05 |
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| reedip | dtroyer: the mutually exclusive group allows only one boolean argument to be present, so using 2 ifs is more like a redundant check | 02:05 |
| dtroyer | how do you know if neither is present? | 02:06 |
| reedip | elif would still work, wont it? | 02:06 |
| dtroyer | my point is that using just two bare if statements is clearer | 02:06 |
| dtroyer | don't get too clever | 02:06 |
| reedip | mine is that I can save that one cycle :) | 02:06 |
| reedip | I am not wrong, I am just different :) | 02:07 |
| dtroyer | sure, and in this case that might work. | 02:07 |
| dtroyer | but my way always works, even if it is a but more verbose | 02:07 |
| dtroyer | that's why I prefer to have them all work that way, otherwise we're always having to sort out which way to do it | 02:07 |
| reedip | dtroyer: I agree that your way always works, my point is that let the developer also use his/her own brain, than just a simple copy-paste :) | 02:08 |
| dtroyer | I don't disagree | 02:09 |
| reedip | thats why I changed my code to 2 ifs but still want to ask this out | 02:09 |
| reedip | but you dont agree either :) | 02:09 |
| dtroyer | however, I've also had to go back and fix it when the dev does a c-n-p and doesn't think it through, or more importantly doesn't understand the API well enough to know what it requires | 02:09 |
| reedip | dtroyer: exactly , absolutely right | 02:10 |
| dtroyer | I'm pushing toward the safest code to deal with the inconsistent aPIs that we have, for multiple deveopers to all understand | 02:10 |
| reedip | dtroyer: but new ideas can be cultivated , and if a new developer who copy-pastes reviews a code which hnadles the things a bit differently, it would be a learning experience as well, isnt it? | 02:11 |
| reedip | rest , you are the boss :) | 02:11 |
| dtroyer | all true, but not the best approach in a distributed community project like this | 02:12 |
| dtroyer | if you get too clever and innovative, you lose people | 02:12 |
| dtroyer | for example, it took me longer than I care to admit to understand how the descriptors in ClientManager worked, and why. | 02:12 |
| dtroyer | dhellmann did that and I learned a lot, but not everyone gets them | 02:13 |
| reedip | hmm, I cannot disagree with this fact that using multiple designs in the same code base can actually feel like cracking open the skull.... | 02:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Tang Chen proposed openstack/python-openstackclient: Format external gateway info output https://review.openstack.org/307629 | 02:16 |
| reedip | I would , still weigh my opinion that minuscule degree of freedom can be given if the code looks good enough ( like in this case of if and elif ) . but again, thats IMHO | 02:17 |
| tangchen | reedip, stevemar, dtroyer, Rui Chen: Hi guys, I'll start my journey to Austin tomorrow. Nanjing->Beijing->San Francisco->Austin. So I'm afraid I cannot help to review the patches for some days. Looking forward to the meetup in Austin. :) | 02:27 |
| stevemar | tangchen: zomg so many flights | 02:27 |
| reedip | Pack some lunch tangchen , you seem to be travelling for more than 30 hrs | 02:27 |
| reedip | and have a safe journey ! :) | 02:28 |
| tangchen | reedip, stevemar: Nanjing->Beijing is by train. And I'll stay in Beijing for one day. :) So don't worry. Thank you very much. | 02:29 |
| stevemar | tangchen: that's slightly better :) | 02:29 |
| dtroyer | tangchen: safe travels…see you in Austin | 02:31 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: any ideas on improving slowness? | 02:31 |
| stevemar | i wouldn't mind tinkering on that | 02:31 |
| dtroyer | getting ksc out of everything except Identity CRUD is #1 | 02:34 |
| dtroyer | Then I want to prove that oslo.config is NOT the next rpoblem I think it is | 02:34 |
| dtroyer | then I want to lay out a profiling harness to get everyone on the same page for talking about this | 02:35 |
| dtroyer | using year old info isn't helping us | 02:35 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: i don't have experience profiling things, any suggestions on how to start with osc? | 02:39 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: also, i do think the plugin loading is taking time | 02:39 |
| stevemar | and loading python (which has limited options for fixing this issue) | 02:40 |
| dtroyer | the plugin scan does take time | 02:40 |
| dtroyer | having 10 loaded is going to hurt | 02:40 |
| dtroyer | I was using boris' profimp for static import analysis, that's the place to start I think | 02:40 |
| dtroyer | last fall it was still KSC with over half of the startup overhead | 02:41 |
| dtroyer | KSa will be better (especially without loading lxml!) but I think oslo.config hurts still | 02:41 |
| stevemar | profimp eh | 02:47 |
| stevemar | i'll look | 02:47 |
| reedip | tangchen, RuiChen: Updated the patch vv | 02:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Reedip proposed openstack/python-openstackclient: Add option to unset information from ports https://review.openstack.org/302530 | 02:49 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: also, our liberty branch is broken: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271932/ :( | 02:50 |
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| stevemar | (that patch ^ actually fixes the unit tests) | 02:51 |
| stevemar | this one shows that functional and unit tests are broken: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258337/ | 02:51 |
| RuiChen | tangchen: have a nice trip :-) | 03:05 |
| RuiChen | reedip: I will review the new patch once I have time https://review.openstack.org/302530 | 03:06 |
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| reedip | Yeah sure, take your time | 03:06 |
| reedip | I will just update 3 more till then :P | 03:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Reedip proposed openstack/python-openstackclient: Add option to unset information from Subnets https://review.openstack.org/306236 | 04:07 |
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| reedip | dtroyer, stevemar, tangchen, RuiChen: If you have time please weigh in your options on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/308201/ as well | 04:11 |
| reedip | thanks in advance :) | 04:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Reedip proposed openstack/python-openstackclient: Add option to unset information from ports https://review.openstack.org/302530 | 04:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Reedip proposed openstack/python-openstackclient: Add option to unset information from Routers https://review.openstack.org/305678 | 04:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Qiming Teng proposed openstack/python-openstackclient: Add commands of clustering service to doc https://review.openstack.org/308752 | 05:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dinesh Bhor proposed openstack/python-openstacksdk: Enable check for E226 https://review.openstack.org/308756 | 05:54 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: so, i think i narrowed down the gate issue for stable/liberty, looks like 2 patches had to be combined: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271932/ | 06:23 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer: yeah, it's looking good, jenkins is finally happy. please take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271932/ when you get a chance | 06:44 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: the gate has been failing since jan 15 :( | 06:45 |
| stevemar | errr jan 4 | 06:45 |
| stevemar | we're lucky mriedem hasn't unleashed the hounds | 06:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Rui Chen proposed openstack/python-openstackclient: Fix server group document issue https://review.openstack.org/308786 | 06:52 |
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| RuiChen | hi reedip stevemar : the patch fix server group document issue you mention ^^ | 06:56 |
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| stevemar | RuiChen: +A | 07:05 |
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| RuiChen | stevemar: thank you :-) | 07:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Reedip proposed openstack/python-openstackclient: Add option to unset information from ports https://review.openstack.org/302530 | 07:46 |
| reedip | RuiChen : m nt a core , so +1 :P | 07:49 |
| RuiChen | reedip: cool :-) | 07:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-openstackclient: Fix server group document issue https://review.openstack.org/308786 | 08:53 |
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| dtroyer | stevemar: This should be an indication (to others) of how (not!) important stable branches are to OSC.But that's no excuse for a broken gate either… | 12:01 |
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| sheel | stevemar: hi | 13:08 |
| sheel | stevemar: are we going to have meeting at same time today or as per updated time? | 13:08 |
| sheel | stevemar: or may be rephrasing: have we updated time as per previous discussions? | 13:09 |
| sheel | :) | 13:09 |
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| sheel | rtheis: ^^ | 13:09 |
| rtheis | sheel: I just logged in and missed your message | 13:10 |
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| sheel | rtheis: oh sorry | 13:19 |
| sheel | rtheis: 6:38 PM <sheel> stevemar: are we going to have meeting at same time today or as per updated time? | 13:20 |
| sheel | 6:39 PM <sheel> stevemar: or may be rephrasing: have we updated time as per previous discussions? | 13:20 |
| rtheis | sheel: not for this week | 13:21 |
| sheel | rtheis: ok, thank you for update... | 13:21 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: we still need a stable gate so packagers can build :) | 14:09 |
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| dtroyer | stevemar: I guess my point is that we really really really don't want to make any changes to stable in any case. Packagers are why we need to not jump dependency version unnecessarily. if/when requirements.txt gets relaxed globally, we'll want to be as slow as possible to update those to provide max compatibility to distro packaged deps | 14:13 |
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| cdent | elmiko, etoews are we planning to meet later today? | 14:46 |
| elmiko | cdent: i thought so | 14:47 |
| cdent | that's cool, was just confirming | 14:47 |
| etoews | ya | 14:49 |
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| etoews | cdent: elmiko: i just updated the agenda. looks like it will be a short one. | 14:52 |
| elmiko | etoews: ack, thanks! | 14:52 |
| * cdent uses the current window of opportunity to go home | 14:52 | |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-openstackclient: Add commands of clustering service to doc https://review.openstack.org/308752 | 14:54 |
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| sheel | dtroyer: hi | 17:53 |
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| dtroyer | hi | 17:56 |
| sheel | dtroyer: have we finalized the meeting time | 17:59 |
| sheel | dtroyer: as per mail chain, things were finalized... but still i think formal announcement is left | 17:59 |
| sheel | from your side | 18:00 |
| dtroyer | right, it'll take effect May 12, as there is no meeting next week due to summit | 18:02 |
| sheel | ok, nice... | 18:02 |
| sheel | dtroyer: thanks for confirmation | 18:03 |
| sheel | dtroyer: btw, I raised one BP, please have a look once you got time: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+spec/backup-snapshot-renamed-for-volume-resource | 18:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Manjeet Singh Bhatia proposed openstack/python-openstacksdk: Add support for Network IP Availability https://review.openstack.org/305509 | 19:14 |
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| manjeets | rtheis ping | 19:15 |
| rtheis | manjeets: hi | 19:16 |
| manjeets | rtheis i checked doc i guess it did properly | 19:17 |
| manjeets | i can send you link to that to make sure | 19:17 |
| manjeets | I am running webserver for that | 19:17 |
| rtheis | manjeets: thanks for checking | 19:17 |
| manjeets | rtheis sent you link let me know if it is wrong | 19:19 |
| manjeets | thanks | 19:19 |
| rtheis | ok | 19:20 |
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| reedip_ | dtroyer, rtheis: there? | 21:36 |
| dtroyer | yo | 21:38 |
| reedip_ | Good afternoon (?) | 21:39 |
| reedip_ | Just a query about the --no option for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307556/ | 21:39 |
| reedip_ | --no-vlan and --vlan one | 21:39 |
| reedip_ | As per the devref, --no or a naturally occurring word can be taken for boolean arguments | 21:40 |
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| reedip_ | --vlan-transparent is necessary to be maintained to keep some similarity with NeutronClient( as this option is not there in Nova Network, so some degree of similarity can be easily kept) | 21:40 |
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| reedip_ | point is : isnt ``non`` a naturally occurring word like ``no``? | 21:41 |
| dtroyer | right | 21:41 |
| dtroyer | it specifically says '—no-' prefix | 21:41 |
| reedip_ | I do not have a problem with no, but it sounds odd when spoken out loud | 21:42 |
| dtroyer | that's a specific rule to account for when there is not an obvious negative word | 21:42 |
| dtroyer | meant to make things like this easy to decide | 21:42 |
| dtroyer | it does, one reason I suggested flipping it around | 21:42 |
| reedip_ | but we can keep more than one word in the list , right? | 21:43 |
| reedip_ | like no, not, non ( all 3 can be used) | 21:43 |
| dtroyer | no | 21:43 |
| reedip_ | whichever sounds better | 21:43 |
| dtroyer | very specifically the characters '—no-' | 21:43 |
| dtroyer | this is a rule borrowed from other places | 21:43 |
| dtroyer | what is the problem with following that? | 21:44 |
| reedip_ | ok, but others can be wrong too :) | 21:44 |
| reedip_ | okay, will use --no | 21:44 |
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