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| openstackgerrit | Reedip proposed openstack/python-openstackclient: Add common utility for network https://review.openstack.org/282914 | 01:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-openstackclient: Defaults are ignored with flake8 https://review.openstack.org/283697 | 01:59 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/python-openstackclient: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/285066 | 02:01 |
| Qiming | terrylhowe, there? | 02:04 |
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| terrylhowe | what’s up Qiming ? | 02:39 |
| Qiming | hi, terrylhowe | 02:40 |
| Qiming | just wondering how far are we from releasing 0.8 | 02:41 |
| Qiming | 0.8.0 maybe | 02:41 |
| terrylhowe | no idea, I missed the meeting this week | 02:41 |
| terrylhowe | if we need to cut a release, we could do so I think | 02:41 |
| Qiming | okay, we need to freeze the dependency as early as possible | 02:42 |
| Qiming | there is a dependency chain out there, sdk is at the head, :) | 02:42 |
| Qiming | will check with brian via email then | 02:43 |
| terrylhowe | excellent and Everett | 02:43 |
| Qiming | okay | 02:43 |
| Qiming | etoews, there? | 02:43 |
| Qiming | maybe only Brian knows the plan, maybe he needs a trigger from us to cut a release, will find out | 02:44 |
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| reedip | tangchen :ping | 04:02 |
| tangchen | ye | 04:02 |
| reedip | tangchen : hi | 04:04 |
| tangchen | reedip: hello | 04:04 |
| reedip | tangchen : I was trying to view my changes in the openstackclient ( running the OSC CLI before committing them ) | 04:04 |
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| reedip | tangchen: however, I am not able to view my CLIs even after inserting them in the setup,cfg, rerunning devstack | 04:05 |
| reedip | tangchen : any ideas/suggestions how I can view my changes in the openstack client? | 04:05 |
| tangchen | reedip: I think you didn't install it. If you changed the setup.cfg, please run "pip install -e ." | 04:06 |
| reedip | tangchen, ok, will give it a run and get back to ASAP | 04:06 |
| tangchen | :) | 04:06 |
| reedip | tangchen : one more issue... | 04:08 |
| reedip | tangchen, on running openstackclient, I am getting this error now ( after the pip install -e worked) | 04:08 |
| tangchen | reedip: what error ? | 04:09 |
| reedip | tangchen : http://paste.openstack.org/show/488304/ | 04:09 |
| reedip | tangchen : any advice on this? | 04:09 |
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| tangchen | reedip: OK, connection is from python-openstacksdk. All network commands are using it now. | 04:11 |
| tangchen | reedip: So, please try to install python-openstacksdk | 04:11 |
| tangchen | reedip: I think you can just install it from the source. Just cline it and pip install it. :) | 04:12 |
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| reedip | tangchen: cloning should work ? | 04:14 |
| tangchen | reedip: I think so. But not sure. I didn't meet this error before. If you run devstack, I think it has installed it. | 04:14 |
| reedip | tangchen : okay, let me see what can be done about it. | 04:15 |
| tangchen | :) | 04:15 |
| reedip | tangchen: thanks for your support though :) | 04:15 |
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| reedip | tangchen : clone and pip install didnt help, running devstack | 04:21 |
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| reedip | tangchen : the same error is now coming on devstack.. do not know why ( devstack is failing because of openstackclient, which fails due to above error) | 04:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tang Chen proposed openstack/python-openstackclient: Router: Add --route and --clear-routes options to "router set" command https://review.openstack.org/276042 | 04:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Tang Chen proposed openstack/python-openstackclient: Add MultiKeyValueAction to custom parser action https://review.openstack.org/276041 | 04:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-openstackclient: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/285066 | 05:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rui Chen proposed openstack/python-openstackclient: Add missing command/configuration object https://review.openstack.org/284563 | 07:33 |
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| cdent | elmiko, sdague: dtantsur and lucasagomes initially cool on the microversion header change, who to talk to in manila? | 12:16 |
| sdague | bswartz I think | 12:16 |
| cdent | thanks | 12:16 |
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| lucasagomes | +1, I think that Ironic is totally fine about making it consistent across all OpenStack projects | 12:17 |
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| rtheis | briancurtin: does the sdk have extension support to allow projects to plugin their interfaces? | 14:37 |
| rtheis | I didn't find anything or am aware of plans to do so | 14:37 |
| briancurtin | in theory, yes, but they shouldn’t do that, they should work in the SDK itself. the extension idea is intended to serve vendors | 14:39 |
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| briancurtin | to make the SDK work with a project, the code needs to live in the SDK. we’re not going down a path of plugins just to have basic functionality work. extensions are meant to allow customization of things for specific clouds, to take care of things like filling in the details needed for Connection (like the right auth_url) or different auth systems, or | 14:42 |
| briancurtin | extensions to various services, etc. right now i have a rackspace extension that just enables our (currently) different auth, but that’ll also include some other non-openstack services we offer. i think terry has/had an HP one somewhere | 14:42 |
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| rtheis | briancurtin: thank you | 14:47 |
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| cdent | elmiko, sdague: bswartz needs to think about it but will get back to us: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-manila/latest.log.html#t2016-02-26T14:55:14 | 15:13 |
| elmiko | cdent: cool, thanks for doing the leg work. i saw the comment from lucasagomes before. so i guess, we're mostly there | 15:15 |
| elmiko | and even if we only get 2/3, i still think that's enough to go forward. they are just /guidelines/ after all | 15:15 |
| elmiko | cdent: good question from gouthamr about the multi-word types | 15:16 |
| elmiko | cdent: also, a service wouldn't have to carry the old header forever, just until a major version bump, no? | 15:18 |
| cdent | elmiko: there are some people who say there should never ever be a major version bump again... | 15:18 |
| elmiko | ok, that's fair | 15:19 |
| elmiko | cdent: as to the "grandfather" issue bswartz brought up, i think that is well within the boundaries we have already defined. | 15:19 |
| elmiko | if they choose not to follow the guideline, for *whatever* reason, that should be their choice. (but, i'm pretty anti api-police mode) | 15:20 |
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| cdent | elmiko: yeah, if people don't want to follow that's fine, my only real concern/confusion from that conversation was the disagreement over bytes of headers | 15:22 |
| gouthamr | elmiko: with you on that one.. contributors in manila want to help build these guidelines. i personally feel strongly about supporting the change ya'll are suggesting. thanks for chiming in on the manila channel today | 15:23 |
| gouthamr | cdent: if you can help me figure out the multi-word service_type, i can take the change to manila and we can take this further | 15:24 |
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| elmiko | at first thought, my vote would be for hyphens | 15:25 |
| cdent | gouthamr: I think we're still figuring it out. I think the idea is that the service catalog service type, the service authority and service types in headers should all have the same format | 15:25 |
| elmiko | hmm | 15:26 |
| cdent | I'm thinking case-insensitive with '-' for ' ' seems the way to go | 15:26 |
| elmiko | do we use underscore in the service catalog? | 15:26 |
| gouthamr | elmiko: not that i | 15:26 |
| * elmiko can't remember, sahara just switched from one to the other | 15:26 | |
| gouthamr | elmiko: not that im aware of, it is "Shared File Systems" for manila | 15:26 |
| cdent | of course I'd argue that if your project needs more than one word to describe its type it should make single compound word. baremetal, not bare-metal | 15:27 |
| cdent | etc | 15:27 |
| cdent | Which is why we end up talking about it for so long because there are so many options | 15:27 |
| elmiko | regardless, i concur with cdent about using hyphen | 15:27 |
| elmiko | and case-insensitive seems sensible too | 15:28 |
| elmiko | cdent: re:byte conservation, i like your point about he service reacting only to the headers it is sent. | 15:29 |
| elmiko | that makes sense to me | 15:29 |
| cdent | and microversions themselves can get involved there too | 15:31 |
| cdent | as in: instead of the structure of the request header setting the structure of the response headers, the value of the request header can set the structure of the response headers | 15:32 |
| cdent | If that works for a particular environment. I'm not sure it would for the "never deprecate anything environments" | 15:32 |
| elmiko | that makes good sense | 15:33 |
| elmiko | the server should know what to send based on the microversion requested | 15:34 |
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| cdent | You know, even after all this stuff, I'm still fairly anti-microversions | 15:35 |
| cdent | I think everyone should run 'latest' all the time, have failures constantly, and upgrade all the time | 15:35 |
| * cdent does not live in this current reality | 15:35 | |
| cdent | <- crazy peacenik hippy anarcho-crypto-fascist watcher of the world burning | 15:36 |
| elmiko | it's a beautiful dream though, one where zero-day exploits rule the world ;) | 15:36 |
| elmiko | haha! | 15:36 |
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| cdent | elmiko, sdague: more from manila: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-manila/latest.log.html#t2016-02-26T15:39:31 | 16:04 |
| cdent | sdague: "You should not PUT to any url that you can't GET" strictly true, but a pain in the ass when it comes to creating semantically interesting apis. I work around it by saying that the resource at that url notionally exists, but has no state yet (thus 404s). which is a mental hack but makes some things easier. | 16:06 |
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| elmiko | interesting thought, re:PUT/GET | 16:09 |
| sdague | cdent: .... example? | 16:14 |
| sdague | I feel like "semantically interesting" triggers my spidey sense | 16:15 |
| cdent | sdague: you mean a place where I've done the PUT to a thing that you can't get yet? | 16:15 |
| sdague | cdent: yeh | 16:15 |
| sdague | that just feels wrong to me | 16:15 |
| cdent | the entire api for this (my old standby example): https://github.com/tiddlyweb/tiddlyweb | 16:16 |
| cdent | it does it that way because it takes the difference between PUT and POST to be whether or not you already know the URI | 16:16 |
| cdent | if you do then you should use PUT | 16:16 |
| cdent | thus PUT /my/thing/named/foo | 16:16 |
| cdent | but POST /servers => location /servers/<uuid> | 16:17 |
| sdague | ok, it still seems a little bonkers to me | 16:17 |
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| cdent | I think it sort of pivots around whether you think URIs are the center of the universe or not | 16:17 |
| sdague | cdent: and you are the one who gets really pedantic on error codes and the like :) | 16:17 |
| sdague | I am surprised your pedanticness doesn't block that use of http | 16:18 |
| cdent | I think it all works because of notionally exists "but has no state yet" | 16:18 |
| cdent | which is accurate if you think that a URI is actually the resource, not an address to the resource | 16:19 |
| sdague | then a GET shouldn't be a 404 | 16:19 |
| cdent | "I have no representation for that resource" | 16:19 |
| cdent | Is differrent from "I an empty representation for that resource" | 16:19 |
| cdent | s/an/have an/ | 16:19 |
| sdague | that seems grasping | 16:20 |
| cdent | most of it is grasping and arbitrary | 16:20 |
| cdent | where "it" is "pretty much everything" | 16:20 |
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| cdent | In the end the reason I like it is because it has proven to work well for me, which I think is more honest than most people tend to be about their http choices :) | 16:21 |
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| sdague | sure, but the point of the working group was to try to steer people back towards commonly accepted norms, not push the boundary when not needed | 16:22 |
| sdague | I do get it's all just bits, we can do anything with them | 16:22 |
| cdent | sdague: you don't seem me pushing this stuff in a guideline do you? | 16:22 |
| cdent | s/seem/see/ | 16:22 |
| sdague | cdent: no | 16:23 |
| sdague | I was just surprised by your counter above | 16:23 |
| sdague | but if it's just "friday thought exercise" I'm good with that | 16:23 |
| cdent | It's more of a "friday bleed off some frustrations from the limitations of openstack exercise" | 16:24 |
| sdague | heh, that too | 16:24 |
| cdent | \o/ | 16:24 |
| * cdent parties | 16:24 | |
| elmiko | lol | 16:24 |
| sdague | when I get in that state I go look at home-assistant code | 16:24 |
| elmiko | cdent: i find the thought of imagining that the resource exists but may be in an unknown, or uncreated, state interesting | 16:25 |
| cdent | I try to be extremely assidious, conservative and inclusive in my api-wg dealings. | 16:25 |
| sdague | also, I just listened to this yesterday - http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2016/02/19/467383708/episode-685-larry-vs-the-irs - which is all about what happens when people that don't understand the law try to pull out random bits and build a system | 16:25 |
| sdague | so my frame of mind was there | 16:25 |
| cdent | :) | 16:25 |
| cdent | elmiko: it's only if you know the URI | 16:25 |
| sdague | which, it's totally worth the 20 minutes to listen to it. It's pretty crazy | 16:26 |
| cdent | which in an ideal api you'd never know | 16:26 |
| elmiko | sdague: that looks interesting | 16:26 |
| cdent | because all ids (thus uris) should be opaque | 16:26 |
| elmiko | cdent: right | 16:26 |
| cdent | the first comment is interesting | 16:26 |
| elmiko | lol | 16:27 |
| elmiko | ah internet, don't you ever change ;) | 16:27 |
| cdent | the thing I've found is that "ideal" apis are pretty hard to work with, if you think of the interaction as a sort of conversation | 16:28 |
| sdague | I used to have a pretty good browser plugin that deleted the comments sections on webpages | 16:29 |
| elmiko | sdague: haha, that sounds like the best plugin ever | 16:29 |
| cdent | my other heresy: I'm really not that much of a fan of hateoas. It's bad for being able to write "stories" about things. | 16:29 |
| sdague | which bits is hateoas again? | 16:30 |
| sdague | oh, the links | 16:30 |
| cdent | api has entrypoint, everything is hypermedia links from there | 16:30 |
| elmiko | do you like any of the discovery type mechanisms? | 16:30 |
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| cdent | I think well known locations for versions or capabilities are probably useful | 16:30 |
| cdent | and I can see how hateoas is good for machine to machine stuff | 16:31 |
| cdent | but the whole reason I like http is because _I_ can use it | 16:31 |
| sdague | hmm... but didn't you just say uris to be opaque? | 16:31 |
| cdent | and hateoas makes me using it harder | 16:31 |
| cdent | sdague: in the ideal api, which I don't actually want | 16:31 |
| sdague | cdent: ok, so you don't like it because it means they could be opaque? | 16:32 |
| elmiko | lol | 16:32 |
| sdague | it seems like well known + hateoas is useful | 16:32 |
| cdent | So the idealize REST API would be opaque uris (that you can't talk about) and hateoas (which you also can't talk about) | 16:32 |
| sdague | because as a human user then I don't actually have to have the API doc always in front of me | 16:32 |
| sdague | I can poke and explore | 16:33 |
| elmiko | sdague++ | 16:33 |
| sdague | I agree that I like well known uris | 16:33 |
| elmiko | cdent: ideally wouldn't you just use some small tool to help explore the hateoas(or similar) stuff to explore? | 16:34 |
| cdent | I'd rather just know the urls of a small number of resources. If that comes from discovery, that's fine, but I don't want to have to _traverse_ to know the urls | 16:34 |
| elmiko | ah | 16:34 |
| sdague | cdent: that assumes you have a small number of resources | 16:34 |
| cdent | elmiko: that's kind of the point I'm making; I'd prefer not requiring tooling to use an api | 16:34 |
| cdent | sdague: yes, and if you don't, then you should decompose the system to smaller pieces | 16:35 |
| elmiko | cdent: ok, fair | 16:35 |
| sdague | cdent: now you are in a different realm of theory :) | 16:35 |
| sdague | theory friday! | 16:35 |
| elmiko | cdent: but, you mean tools beyond curl, right? ;) | 16:35 |
| cdent | sdague: did you see my comments above about being a hippy anarchist world burner? | 16:35 |
| elmiko | haha | 16:35 |
| sdague | elmiko: really programmers use telnet for REST | 16:35 |
| cdent | I used to regularly send email by telnetting to the smtp port | 16:36 |
| elmiko | wow... i must be a total slackard then. (i am, but that's beside the point) XD | 16:36 |
| sdague | in all seriousness, I used to actually use telnet a lot to debug http things | 16:36 |
| elmiko | i did that back when i was a teenager... | 16:36 |
| cdent | I still do | 16:36 |
| elmiko | wow, seriously? | 16:36 |
| cdent | not freqently | 16:36 |
| sdague | fortunately perl GET is good enough to handle it most of the time | 16:37 |
| cdent | but sometimes it can be a little more useful than curl | 16:37 |
| elmiko | i'm pretty much addicted to httpie | 16:37 |
| cdent | with raw telnet you can get a better sense of where slowness | 16:37 |
| elmiko | interesting | 16:37 |
| elmiko | i'll have to give this a try | 16:37 |
| sdague | there is that, especially if stuff is chunking in | 16:37 |
| cdent | with giant json apis like openstack it gets totally messy | 16:37 |
| cdent | and not really worth it | 16:37 |
| cdent | but for some stuff it is | 16:38 |
| elmiko | ok, i'd at least like to better inform myself about the possibilities | 16:38 |
| * elmiko is curious by nature | 16:38 | |
| cdent | Do either of you have much experience with people who are not curious by nature? I realized when I moved to the UK that I had, until then, lived a very cloistered life. | 16:40 |
| elmiko | only in the most mundane sense, for example, folks who aren't curious about new foods | 16:41 |
| cdent | (Not that it is something different about the UK, rather that my cloisering was lessened) | 16:42 |
| elmiko | although, now that i think about it. i have worked with people who were generally non-curious about technology and enjoyed sticking to their tried and true methodologies | 16:42 |
| elmiko | but, i think that attitude may be more prevalent among embedded software engineers ;) | 16:42 |
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| elmiko | sdague: that was a crazy episode of planet money, thanks for the distraction ;) | 21:22 |
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| annegentle | elmiko: oo point me to planet money! | 22:10 |
| elmiko | annegentle: http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2016/02/19/467383708/episode-685-larry-vs-the-irs | 22:11 |
| annegentle | awesome thanks elmiko (and sdague too) :) | 22:11 |
| elmiko | annegentle: also, hey! how you been? =) | 22:11 |
| annegentle | elmiko: good! was in San Antonio this week and last week so missed both Service Catalog standups! | 22:11 |
| annegentle | elmiko: I'm burying myself in the static HTML now for those migrated swagger files | 22:11 |
| annegentle | elmiko: how are you doing? what are you up to? | 22:12 |
| elmiko | annegentle: cool, seems like the swagger stuff is slowly building steam ;) | 22:13 |
| annegentle | ever so sloowwwly :) | 22:13 |
| elmiko | i'm well, been working on a bunch of stuff. but i'm trying to bring things back to the api stuff | 22:13 |
| elmiko | i /really/ want to pickup one of those f-s bugs | 22:14 |
| elmiko | but i'm fighting with internal bandwidth ;) | 22:14 |
| annegentle | ayup I get it! | 22:16 |
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| elmiko | i *should* have a fun preso for the api-wg session at summit. i've got... ideas XD | 22:20 |
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