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openstackgerritAndrey Pavlov proposed openstack/python-saharaclient: Making parameters of job binaries create optional  https://review.openstack.org/23798310:46
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vgridnevpino|work, are you around?10:56
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/puppet-sahara: db: Use postgresql lib class for psycopg package  https://review.openstack.org/23766711:17
openstackgerritMerged openstack/sahara-image-elements: Show command output directly in package_utils.sh  https://review.openstack.org/22672411:17
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/sahara-image-elements: Added support of Drill 1.2 to MapR images in sahara-image-elements  https://review.openstack.org/23705211:23
openstackgerritMerged openstack/sahara-image-elements: Include mysql and ambari-metrics-collector to Ambari images  https://review.openstack.org/23404111:23
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openstackgerritEvgeny Sikachev proposed openstack/sahara: [DO NOT REVIEW][TEST COMMIT]  https://review.openstack.org/23800011:37
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pino|workvgridnev: yes12:16
pino|worksreshetnyak: is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/217141 still wip?12:16
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/python-saharaclient: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/23732612:18
openstackgerritMerged openstack/python-saharaclient: Making parameters of job create optional  https://review.openstack.org/23528312:18
openstackgerritMerged openstack/python-saharaclient: Making parameters of job executions create optional  https://review.openstack.org/23750112:18
openstackgerritMerged openstack/python-saharaclient: Adding Clusters support to CLI  https://review.openstack.org/23417712:18
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/python-saharaclient: Adding Job Templates support to CLI  https://review.openstack.org/23540012:22
openstackgerritMerged openstack/python-saharaclient: Adding Job Types support to CLI  https://review.openstack.org/23546212:22
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vgridnevpino|work, great12:30
vgridnevwhat was last thing that we discussed?12:31
pino|workyou tell me...12:37
vgridnevlast sentence that you said is "i'm proposing to install the services if you need to use them, and not let ambari pick random stuff out of the blue"12:39
vgridnevcan you said which services we need to use?12:39
vgridnevpino|work, ^^12:40
pino|worklet whoever generates the image specify that12:40
pino|workmaybe something like DIB_AMBARI_SERVICES="foo bar"12:40
vgridnev1. it's overkill for user. Because if I want to have new service, which is not included on image, and still don't have internet access, I will need to regenerate image somewhere12:43
vgridnevIf I have local repo, we just using this repo, and everything is nice12:44
pino|workthen if you don't know in advance, install all the services in the image12:45
vgridnevand then have image of size 7 GB?12:45
pino|workwhich is the same as your new image type12:46
vgridnevyes, but in such case only one vm will use that12:46
pino|workso if the bigger size of your new image type is acceptable, so is installing all the packages directly12:46
pino|work?12:46
vgridnevothers will use shorter12:46
pino|workshorter what?12:46
vgridnevimage12:46
pino|workuh?12:47
pino|workthe image is still 7GB, local repo or installed12:47
openstackgerritVitaly Gridnev proposed openstack/sahara: Make ssh timeout configurable  https://review.openstack.org/23589412:48
vgridnevI local repo - vm with 7gb size, and other vms will have size 1 gb because this image will include ambari stuff12:49
vgridnevI ->112:49
pino|workerm, that makes even less sense12:52
pino|workif you want a local yum/apt/etc repository, then configure a proper service for it, instead of polluting the ambari image with that12:52
openstackgerritVitaly Gridnev proposed openstack/sahara: Make ssh timeout configurable  https://review.openstack.org/23589412:56
openstackgerritMerged openstack/python-saharaclient: Making parameters of job binaries create optional  https://review.openstack.org/23798313:00
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openstackgerritSergey Lukjanov proposed openstack/sahara: Cleanup config-generator.sahara.conf  https://review.openstack.org/23805713:06
openstackgerritSergey Lukjanov proposed openstack/sahara: Publish sample conf to docs  https://review.openstack.org/23805813:06
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/sahara: Switched CORS configuration to use oslo_config  https://review.openstack.org/23705913:20
openstackgerritMerged openstack/sahara: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/23733013:20
openstackgerritMerged openstack/sahara: Add support of Drill 1.2 to MapR plugin  https://review.openstack.org/23692813:20
openstackgerritMerged openstack/sahara: Fixing event log handling during volumes mount  https://review.openstack.org/23744613:20
openstackgerritMerged openstack/sahara: Add batching for EDP jobs in scenario tests  https://review.openstack.org/23704113:20
openstackgerritMerged openstack/sahara: Fixing grenade job  https://review.openstack.org/23697213:21
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openstackgerritEvgeny Sikachev proposed openstack/sahara: Change flavor for mapr-master  https://review.openstack.org/23800013:42
vgridnevpino|work, I've just recognized one more problem with approach of all-in-one image. For example, we already have image, that have all services installed. But if new version of HDP stack will be released and cluster have access to internet, ambari first will try to search for updates on public mirror, and then will forgot about installed packages and then will start installing cluster with updates, so we still will download packages from horton13:42
vgridnevworks repos.13:42
vgridnevsreshetnyak, I'm right?13:42
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pino|workjust like you don't configure external hwx repository with the local repo approach, you don't configure external hwx repositories with the all-in-one approach13:44
pino|workor, even better, you configure ambari to not phone home13:45
pino|workwhich is even worse13:45
elmiko+1 to configuring ambari not to phone home13:45
elmikoi think we need a path that involves clusters without internet access13:46
pino|workor simply to not let them assume that "have connection" == "can phone home, can download random things, etc"13:47
elmiko+113:48
openstackgerritDenis Egorenko proposed openstack/puppet-sahara: Update rspec tests for keystone  https://review.openstack.org/23809313:50
openstackgerritMerged openstack/sahara: Add event logs for MapR plugin  https://review.openstack.org/21413413:52
openstackgerritMerged openstack/sahara: Add -f option to formatting volumes for xfs  https://review.openstack.org/23605813:52
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/sahara: Enable anti_affinity feature in scenario test  https://review.openstack.org/21917013:53
openstackgerritMerged openstack/sahara: Hive job type support on CI  https://review.openstack.org/23196313:54
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vgridnevpino|work, we need to have at least one valid mirror13:59
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vgridnevlocal mirror is also approach that ambari recommends to use14:00
pino|workvgridnev: why do you need a local mirror?14:00
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sreshetnyakpino|work: for creating clusters without internet access on OS environment14:03
pino|worksreshetnyak: but if you install beforehand all the needed packages, what does it need to install then?14:03
vgridnevupdates, for example14:03
pino|workupdates of what?14:04
pino|worka local repository won't have updates...14:04
openstackgerritEvgeny Sikachev proposed openstack/sahara: Fix Mapr on ci  https://review.openstack.org/23800014:06
sreshetnyakpino|work: if we do not set up ambari repository, ambari automatically adds default HDP repos and trying to update HDP stack14:07
pino|worksreshetnyak: then fix/configure ambari to not do that14:08
pino|worksreshetnyak: this is working around the brokeness of a system, and you and vgridnev are both failing to recognize that14:08
pino|workseriously, please start being reasonable, and analyze *everything*, including the part "ambari is broken, let's fix it"14:09
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elmikosreshetnyak: ambari cannot be configured to have no repository?14:09
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sreshetnyakelmiko: I haven't tried14:11
sreshetnyakpino|work: also we have problems when on OS environment slow internet connection14:13
pino|worksreshetnyak: one reason more to not let ambari do random external network traffic14:13
sreshetnyakif we use image with pre-installed HDP packages (for example 2.3.0.0) and in HDP repos we have latest 2.3.2.2 HDP stack, Ambari will try to install newest HDP stack14:15
pino|worksreshetnyak: yes, and i consider that broken14:16
vgridnevelmiko, pino|work, If you want to use a local software repository (for example, if your installation does not have access to the Internet), check Use a local software repository. For more information on using a local repository see Optional: Configure the Local Repositories14:16
elmikovgridnev: is that from their docs?14:16
pino|worksreshetnyak: this undermines reproducibility of operations, for example, as old images would not work as they were meant to be14:16
vgridnevyep14:16
vgridnevelmiko, ^^14:16
vgridnevhttps://ambari.apache.org/1.2.1/installing-hadoop-using-ambari/content/ambari-chap3-3.html14:17
sreshetnyakpino|work: i like pre-installed images, but it doesn't work14:19
pino|worksreshetnyak: i beg to disagree14:19
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pino|worksreshetnyak: if i create an image with a version of a service, then the rest of my systems working with it might be taylored to work with that precise version of the service14:20
openstackgerritMerged openstack/python-saharaclient: Changing public/protected options handling  https://review.openstack.org/22992714:20
pino|worksreshetnyak: if the image auto-updates if network is enabled, just because it can, then it might break how it works in my system14:20
pino|worksreshetnyak: do we agree on this?14:21
pino|worksreshetnyak: or actually, can you acknowledge this as problem?14:21
sreshetnyakpino|work: agree, but I don't know workaround for disabling update HDP stack in Ambari14:22
pino|worksreshetnyak: then fix ambari14:23
pino|workit is a problem, please don't workaround that with even more broken solutions14:23
sreshetnyakpino|work: why workaroud? Using local mirrors for installing packages is not workaround14:26
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pino|worksreshetnyak: why do i have to provide a local repository, instead of just install the needed packages?14:26
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pino|workgiven the image would be big anyway, make it big for real and avoid continuous installation at runtime14:27
sreshetnyakpino|work: it works bad. I don't know list of packages which should be installed14:28
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pino|worksreshetnyak: ... we are repeating the same arguments i had with vgridnev for two days, and here too14:28
pino|worksreshetnyak: let the operator decide which services to install, install them, and configure ambari to use *only those* at most14:29
pino|workyou want all? fine, install all14:29
pino|workbut ambari should *not* install things at random times, and outside the operator's control14:29
vgridnevInstalling from local repos is not outside the operator control. Operator wants to use service, ambari will install everything, that is required for this service14:31
pino|workwho tells me ambari won't install and use more service than required?14:32
pino|workconsidering also what you said above about the way ambari configures repositories on its own, i'm trusting ambari less and less, sorry14:32
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sreshetnyakyou know list of packages which should be installed? I don't know14:34
pino|workis it documented anywhere?14:34
sreshetnyakno14:35
elmikoouch14:35
pino|worksreshetnyak: good, so how can be sure ambari won't install more than actually needed?14:36
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sreshetnyakwe don't know how packages needed for ambari14:39
pino|workexactly the problem14:40
pino|workand just like you don't, operators will not know that14:40
vgridnevDo users know which packages uses sahara during deployment?14:40
pino|workgenerate a vanilla image, and inspect it?14:41
pino|work(and if vanilla would start downloading things, i'd consider it problematic as well)14:41
vgridnevokay, but we are don't download anything for internet. How users can understand that we did not something unneeded on this images?14:43
pino|workambari is14:43
toskysreshetnyak, vgridnev: is it really impossible to know which are all the packages for a certain version of HWX Hadoop distribution? The one with HUE, the one with PIG, etc14:43
sreshetnyaktosky: it's impossible. Ambari uses puppet for installing HDP14:44
toskysreshetnyak: uhm, I disagree that it's impossible14:45
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toskysreshetnyak: did you ever try to install all the RPM/DEB from a certain HWX distribution?14:45
toskyI think that was what pino|work was saying: if you install all available RPM/DEB when you generate the image, well, whatever Ambari will try to install, the package will be already there14:46
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sreshetnyaktosky: you propose to analyse puppets for each hdp verion?14:46
sreshetnyakambari installs packages from HDP and CentOS repos14:47
toskysreshetnyak: no, I didn't say that: I said to install all the packages in a specific HDP distribution14:47
toskyall means all14:47
sreshetnyakand all CentOS packages?14:48
pino|worksreshetnyak: in tripleo they use this solution:14:48
pino|workhttps://github.com/openstack/puppet-tripleo/blob/master/lib/puppet/provider/package_manifest/flat_file.rb14:48
toskysreshetnyak: aren't they just dependencies for packages in HDP?14:49
pino|workthis helper manifest is used eg here: https://github.com/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/blob/master/puppet/manifests/overcloud_compute.pp#L10614:49
pino|workthis collects all the packages related operations (install, updates) one by puppet14:49
sreshetnyaktosky: no14:50
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toskypino|work: what exactly? Does it analyze other puppet manifests and get the list of packages installed?14:51
pino|work(for questions, you could ask jistr on #tripleo)14:51
pino|workmy puppet foo is almost unexisting :) but i was told that using that extra manifest, you can collect in a file all the install/upgrade/etc operations on packages14:53
toskypino|work: but that's something that should be done on ambari, right?14:54
toskysreshetnyak: are there many programs which are needed but not direct dependencies of Hadoop packages, that you know?14:55
pino|worki think so14:55
openstackgerritAndrey Pavlov proposed openstack/python-saharaclient: Adding Jobs support to CLI  https://review.openstack.org/23762614:55
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toskypino|work: that could be done, but not for the already released version of Ambari14:55
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sreshetnyaktosky: curl, unzip snappy and etc...14:57
pino|worktosky: you should be able to put the package_manifest{'/etc': ensure => present}14:57
sreshetnyakpino|work: for each hdp versions?14:57
toskysreshetnyak: I expect this list is not going to change too much for each version, right?14:57
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sreshetnyakand for each ambari versions14:58
pino|work... in an own .pp file, and tell puppet to use it as well (making sure the manifest it uses is somewhere usable by puppet)14:58
pino|worksee ^14:58
sreshetnyakand for each cluster configuration14:58
toskyI mean, the packages from base CentOS which are NOT pulled in as dependency by Hadoop services shouldn't be too many14:58
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sreshetnyaktoo many cases14:59
pino|work?14:59
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toskyagain, when you prebuild the image, if you install all the packages from the RPM repository, just blindly all of them, for the Hadoop version you need,15:01
toskyI don't think you need a lot of additional packages from CentOS, and this list is not going to change a lot15:02
toskythat's the idea: because otherwise *I* personally don't see the need of a ~7GB image which updates everything every time15:02
vgridnevNo one cares what was installed on vms, users cares only about working things. Why we are inventing new way to deploy HDP? Ambari recommends to use local mirrors, why we cannot use that method? This way is documented in HDP documentation. In my opinion that using some puppets is also an workaround.15:04
pino|workvgridnev: operators *care* about what's installed15:05
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pino|workvgridnev: you are simply giving up to any concern, and let ambari do its own black box15:05
pino|workno, please, no15:06
toskyvgridnev: pino|work did not say to use *other* puppet; he suggested to push a change to the Puppet used by Ambari and fix it15:06
pino|workyes, as *additional* module15:07
toskyvgridnev: and users care if the image takes the same time to start (because it updates all the packages) but it requires a bigger disk image: what for then?15:07
sreshetnyakAmbari it's black box and it's great15:07
elmikolol15:07
toskythen let it do the tricky job15:07
toskypropose: create an image on a separate image, the same for all the cluster15:07
elmikoi can guarantee that someone doing a security audit of a cloud install would care what installed on the images ;)15:08
toskyand use that one as "local mirror"15:08
toskyno need to increase the size of the base image; speed up achieved (even if partial, I think)15:08
toskyinstead of 5*7 GB images15:08
toskyand Ambari could be considered a blackbox, but I thought it was an open source project15:09
vgridnevtosky, if correctly understood you, I've already created new image type with "local mirror"15:13
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toskyvgridnev: no, I mean an image with _just_ the mirror, which will be used by all the machines in the cluster15:14
toskyyou don't need a big instance for that15:14
elmikotosky: +115:15
pino|work<pino|work> if you want a local yum/apt/etc repository, then configure a proper service for it, instead of polluting the ambari image with that15:16
vgridnevwhat do you mean by _just_ the mirror?15:16
pino|work(more than 1h ago)15:16
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pino|workbase centos image (no apache, ambari, java, whatever) doing *only* the yum mirror15:17
toskypino|work: you need apache :)15:17
pino|workwell yes, ok, for yum15:17
* pino|work always thinks about apt15:17
pino|work(but you could use something smaller than apache, for example)15:17
toskyI think it's the only one in base CentOS15:18
openstackgerritEvgeny Sikachev proposed openstack/sahara: Fix Mapr on ci  https://review.openstack.org/23800015:22
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openstackgerritAndrey Pavlov proposed openstack/sahara: Fixing problem with validation of job binaries update  https://review.openstack.org/23814115:30
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openstackgerritEvgeny Sikachev proposed openstack/sahara: Fix Mapr on ci  https://review.openstack.org/23800015:39
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openstackgerritEvgeny Sikachev proposed openstack/sahara: Fix Mapr on ci  https://review.openstack.org/23800015:45
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openstackgerritEvgeny Sikachev proposed openstack/sahara: Fix Mapr on ci  https://review.openstack.org/23800015:47
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/puppet-sahara: Update rspec tests for keystone  https://review.openstack.org/23809316:13
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openstackgerritVitaly Gridnev proposed openstack/sahara-image-elements: Use direct links to HDP distribution  https://review.openstack.org/23815816:38
openstackgerritVitaly Gridnev proposed openstack/sahara-image-elements: Use direct links to HDP distribution  https://review.openstack.org/23815816:39
openstackgerritVitaly Gridnev proposed openstack/sahara-image-elements: Use direct links to HDP distribution  https://review.openstack.org/23815816:40
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openstackgerritEvgeny Sikachev proposed openstack/sahara: Fix Mapr on ci  https://review.openstack.org/23800016:47
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openstackgerritVitaly Gridnev proposed openstack/sahara-image-elements: Install requirements for services on ambari image  https://review.openstack.org/23816816:57
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openstackgerritVitaly Gridnev proposed openstack/sahara-image-elements: Install requirements for services on ambari image  https://review.openstack.org/23816817:10
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openstackgerritVitaly Gridnev proposed openstack/sahara: Make ssh timeout configurable  https://review.openstack.org/23589418:45
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openstackgerritVitaly Gridnev proposed openstack/sahara: Cleanup config-generator.sahara.conf  https://review.openstack.org/23805720:19
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openstackgerritVitaly Gridnev proposed openstack/sahara-image-elements: Install requirements for services on ambari image  https://review.openstack.org/23816820:42
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openstackgerritVitaly Gridnev proposed openstack/sahara: Disable base repos by the option  https://review.openstack.org/23749822:06
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/sahara: Cleanup config-generator.sahara.conf  https://review.openstack.org/23805722:14
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