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| openstackgerrit | Tony Breeds proposed openstack/requirements stable/queens: update constraint for openstackdocstheme to new release 1.22.0 https://review.openstack.org/591895 | 05:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tony Breeds proposed openstack/requirements stable/ocata: update constraint for openstackdocstheme to new release 1.22.0 https://review.openstack.org/591896 | 05:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Tony Breeds proposed openstack/requirements stable/pike: update constraint for openstackdocstheme to new release 1.22.0 https://review.openstack.org/591897 | 05:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/requirements master: update constraint for osc-lib to new release 1.11.1 https://review.openstack.org/592018 | 12:51 |
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| prometheanfire | dhellmann: is https://github.com/openstack/requirements/commits/stable/queens/upper-constraints.txt working for you? showing a blank page here | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | prometheanfire : http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/requirements/tree/upper-constraints.txt?h=stable/queens works | 16:24 |
| prometheanfire | dhellmann: ya, but that's not the link I gave :P | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | I don't usually point to github | 16:24 |
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| dhellmann | ok. I also get a blank page for that github url, but I wouldn't ever give that to anyone so I don't know why it matters | 16:25 |
| prometheanfire | lol | 16:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/requirements master: update constraint for osc-lib to new release 1.11.1 https://review.openstack.org/592018 | 17:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/requirements stable/pike: update constraint for openstackdocstheme to new release 1.22.0 https://review.openstack.org/591897 | 17:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/requirements stable/queens: update constraint for openstackdocstheme to new release 1.22.0 https://review.openstack.org/591895 | 17:32 |
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| prometheanfire | meeting in 12 min | 20:16 |
| prometheanfire | #startmeeting requirements | 20:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 15 20:30:57 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is prometheanfire. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 20:31 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'requirements' | 20:31 |
| prometheanfire | #topic rollcall | 20:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 20:31 | |
| prometheanfire | tonyb, prometheanfire, number80, dirk, coolsvap, toabctl, smcginnis, dhellmann ping | 20:31 |
| prometheanfire | o/ | 20:31 |
| tonyb | \o | 20:32 |
| * tonyb is doign the multitasking ting again :/ | 20:32 | |
| smcginnis | o/ | 20:32 |
| prometheanfire | #topic Any controversies in the Queue? | 20:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Any controversies in the Queue? (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 20:32 | |
| smcginnis | No, other than FFE's, I think it's been quiet. | 20:33 |
| prometheanfire | we have no outstanding FFEs that I know of | 20:34 |
| smcginnis | I think you're right. | 20:34 |
| prometheanfire | #topic branching | 20:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "branching (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 20:34 | |
| prometheanfire | #link https://review.openstack.org/591823 | 20:34 |
| prometheanfire | that's ready | 20:34 |
| prometheanfire | I think we can do it now if people want | 20:35 |
| smcginnis | I can hit the go button whenever you give the go ahead. | 20:36 |
| smcginnis | I do think we are probably good to branch now. I don't think I saw any response otherwise to the ML post. | 20:37 |
| prometheanfire | ya, I'll do it after the meeting | 20:37 |
| prometheanfire | #topic moving to storyboard | 20:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "moving to storyboard (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 20:37 | |
| prometheanfire | we could do that now too, we only have one bug | 20:37 |
| smcginnis | Good a time as any. | 20:38 |
| dhellmann | IIUC, all of the old bugs are imported as part of the process too | 20:38 |
| prometheanfire | so I'll do that if no one complains (have infra run the script or whatever) | 20:38 |
| prometheanfire | yep | 20:38 |
| prometheanfire | #topic ptg | 20:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ptg (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 20:39 | |
| prometheanfire | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stein-PTG-requirements | 20:39 |
| prometheanfire | just wanted to link it, that's all | 20:40 |
| prometheanfire | #topic open floor | 20:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open floor (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 20:40 | |
| prometheanfire | iirc branching means we can move master forward, so, that's gonna happen | 20:40 |
| tonyb | dhellmann: theer was an open question about handling cross-project bugs but I'm not really fussed if we can't do that | 20:40 |
| smcginnis | SB does handle that, IIRC. | 20:41 |
| smcginnis | The big drawback that I know is holding up at least one project is there is no support for attachments. | 20:41 |
| prometheanfire | tonyb: ya, it was that we couldn't cross link with LP bugs specifically | 20:41 |
| dhellmann | it handles cross-repo for things known to storyboard, but for projects that haven't migrated we will have to link back and forth | 20:42 |
| prometheanfire | I wonder if VMT can use SB for bugs, I'll have to ask (on the side) | 20:42 |
| prometheanfire | dhellmann: yarp | 20:42 |
| dhellmann | they did add support for private stories, for the security folks | 20:42 |
| tonyb | dhellmann: yeah it was the latter | 20:42 |
| dhellmann | attachments is a relatively new requirement; I'm not sure that came up when we asked for feedback about feature gap | 20:43 |
| smcginnis | And with the way the imports happen, as soon as a project does migrate, the linkage should be restored. | 20:43 |
| tonyb | sorry 3 meetings and debuging $work :/ | 20:43 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: I know manila has been requesting it for awhile. | 20:43 |
| prometheanfire | yarp | 20:43 |
| prometheanfire | so, anything else? | 20:43 |
| dhellmann | ah, I only just saw it | 20:43 |
| tbarron | we asked for it after trying a test migration | 20:44 |
| tbarron | dhellmann: smcginnis - there are lots of things we can live with | 20:44 |
| tbarron | dhellmann: smcginnis; storyboard is a lower level tool which is both a challenge and an opportunity | 20:45 |
| tbarron | dhellmann: smcginnis: we have to build our own milestone-targetes, etc. | 20:45 |
| * prometheanfire is going to endmeeting | 20:45 | |
| smcginnis | prometheanfire: ack | 20:46 |
| prometheanfire | #endmeeting | 20:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Requirements - IRC meetngs on Wednesdays @ 07:00 UTC in here in #openstack-requirements - See agenda @ http://tinyurl.com/h44ryuw - IRC channel is *LOGGED* @ http://tinyurl.com/j38rk24" | 20:46 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 15 20:46:12 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2018/requirements.2018-08-15-20.30.html | 20:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2018/requirements.2018-08-15-20.30.txt | 20:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2018/requirements.2018-08-15-20.30.log.html | 20:46 |
| smcginnis | tbarron: I like that - a challenge and an opportunty. :) | 20:46 |
| tbarron | dhellmann: smcginnis: sorry I got pinged by mention of manila, didn't realize I was meeting crashing | 20:46 |
| dhellmann | tbarron : I think the idea there was to replace milestones with worklists and boards | 20:46 |
| tbarron | dhellmann: right, which we build | 20:46 |
| prometheanfire | :P | 20:47 |
| tbarron | dhellmann: and that allows us to build stuff not in lp | 20:47 |
| tbarron | dhellmann: like kanban-ish boards | 20:47 |
| tbarron | dhellmann: which I think is a great opportunity | 20:47 |
| dhellmann | yep | 20:47 |
| dhellmann | \o/ | 20:47 |
| tbarron | dhellmann: smcginnis but the lack of attachment support isn't something we can build ourselves | 20:48 |
| tbarron | dhellmann: smcginnis so that's why I think it needs attention | 20:48 |
| tbarron | dhellmann: smcginnis maybe it doesn't matter for some projects, but manila, cinder, nova I'd think, neutron get | 20:49 |
| tbarron | reports from users who can't be expected to provide salient snippets | 20:49 |
| dhellmann | I wonder if we want that built into storyboard, or if we want some other sort of file upload service | 20:49 |
| tbarron | dhellmann: yeah, that makes sense | 20:49 |
| smcginnis | We can always use pastes, but that's not as clean. | 20:50 |
| dhellmann | perhaps with a UI in storyboard to make it look integrated | 20:50 |
| tbarron | dhellmann: agree | 20:50 |
| tbarron | one-stop-shopping but different back rooms | 20:50 |
| tbarron | smcginnis: the problem with pastes is that users often don't know what to paste | 20:50 |
| smcginnis | Yeah | 20:50 |
| tbarron | smcginnis: often we don't really know what to tell them to look for yet | 20:50 |
| tbarron | smcginnis: that's why things like sosreports exist for complicated services that can be configured many ways | 20:51 |
| tbarron | smcginnis: dhellmann - and a full openstack dump or serice dump button would be best but is too utopian for the current conversation | 20:52 |
| dhellmann | tbarron : what would it dump? | 20:52 |
| tbarron | smcginnis: dhellmann - I don't want to lose ground from "please attach your api log" | 20:52 |
| tbarron | dhellmann: well sos-reports are tailored for each service so they figure out what services are running, which packages are installed, and for each service which files to collect | 20:53 |
| tbarron | dhellmann: we certainly don't have that with launchpad | 20:54 |
| tbarron | dhellmann: but a cinder guy who sees a problem that involves connection with a back end can say | 20:54 |
| tbarron | dhellmann: please attach your /etc/cinder/cinder/conf and your /var/log/cinder/cinder-volume.log | 20:54 |
| tbarron | dhellmann: usually that will be sufficient to see what the issue is and set up a reproducer for the problem | 20:55 |
| tbarron | dhellmann: or to say reconfigure and restart | 20:55 |
| dhellmann | I wonder how reasonable it is to make assumptions about that log file name, but I get the idea | 20:56 |
| dhellmann | we have talked at times about creating a bug reporting UI that's separate from the storyboard task management UI | 20:56 |
| tbarron | dhellmann: similarly, before placement :) , a nova person could ask for scheduler log given a 'no host found' report | 20:56 |
| dhellmann | and directing users there | 20:56 |
| tbarron | dhellmann: it's a great idea, are there skilled labor resources to build it? | 20:57 |
| dhellmann | oh, no | 20:57 |
| tbarron | :) | 20:57 |
| tbarron | I mean :( | 20:58 |
| tbarron | or some of both | 20:58 |
| dhellmann | there are a very few people working on storyboard in what I think is mostly their spare time | 20:58 |
| tbarron | yeah, and I really appreciate them and want to be helpful | 20:58 |
| tbarron | So I'm doing my best to separate relatively superficial concerns from those that I think are more serious. | 20:59 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 20:59 |
| tbarron | We can say that attachments shouldn't be a storyboard concern or even that they shouldn't as a matter of design have been part of launchpad itself | 21:00 |
| tbarron | but that doesn't remove the need. | 21:00 |
| dhellmann | sure | 21:00 |
| dhellmann | I'm just thinking implementation details | 21:00 |
| tbarron | yup | 21:00 |
| dhellmann | like, could we stand up a separate service for that instead of having to build something | 21:00 |
| dhellmann | I hear swift is pretty good at hosting files | 21:00 |
| tbarron | heh | 21:00 |
| tbarron | with an s3 interface of course :) | 21:01 |
| tbarron | just messing around | 21:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Release Bot proposed openstack/requirements stable/rocky: Update .gitreview for stable/rocky https://review.openstack.org/592198 | 21:01 |
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