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| ttx | o/ | 16:02 |
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| redrobot | o/ | 16:02 |
| ttx | #startmeeting incub_sync | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 26 16:02:40 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'incub_sync' | 16:02 |
| ttx | #topic Barbican | 16:02 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/barbican/+milestone/kilo-3 | 16:03 |
| ttx | gee, that's a lot of essentials :) | 16:03 |
| ttx | and feels a bit late overall :) | 16:03 |
| redrobot | Yeah... the spec process took long for some of these | 16:04 |
| redrobot | but a lot of folks committed to landing these by k-3 | 16:05 |
| ttx | ok, we'll see | 16:05 |
| ttx | you might want to add assignees to the ones without | 16:05 |
| redrobot | ttx yep, I'll get those assigned. | 16:06 |
| ttx | fwiw previously "integrated" projects are almost all running a FPF Thursday next week | 16:06 |
| ttx | FPF = all feature code must be up for review | 16:06 |
| ttx | leaving 2 weeks for final review | 16:06 |
| ttx | before feature freeze | 16:06 |
| ttx | but you can skip that if you don't expect to be overwhelmed by reviews | 16:06 |
| ttx | In other news, a bit of evolution on how I intend to run release tracking in Liberty: | 16:07 |
| ttx | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Release_Cycle_Management/Liberty_Tracking | 16:07 |
| ttx | You can read when you have some time and let me know at another sync what you think of it | 16:07 |
| redrobot | ok, I'll take a look at that for sure | 16:07 |
| ttx | This is also valid for bswartz Kiall and flaper87 ^ | 16:07 |
| bswartz | yeah I saw it | 16:08 |
| ttx | alright.. questions ? | 16:08 |
| redrobot | nope, no questions this week. | 16:09 |
| redrobot | thanks ttx | 16:09 |
| ttx | bswartz: o/ | 16:09 |
| ttx | #topic Manila | 16:09 |
| bswartz | hey | 16:09 |
| * flaper87 reads | 16:09 | |
| flaper87 | damn, it's thrusday | 16:09 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/manila/+milestone/kilo-3 | 16:09 |
| bswartz | I started looking at out list of BPs in the last 10 minutes | 16:09 |
| ttx | again | 16:09 |
| ttx | It looks nice already | 16:09 |
| bswartz | it's gotten longer since we last talked | 16:09 |
| ttx | A few undefined/unknowns to clean up | 16:10 |
| bswartz | yeah | 16:10 |
| ttx | but otherwise nice progress | 16:10 |
| bswartz | so I have one problems with BPs in LP | 16:10 |
| ttx | I like when things getmerged as yhou go, rather than pile up unreviewed until the end | 16:10 |
| bswartz | they don't seem to change state automatically when code merges | 16:10 |
| ttx | bswartz: they don't | 16:10 |
| bswartz | so I have to periodically go through and mark things implemented | 16:10 |
| ttx | there is no code for that because people rarely use the commit message codes appropriately | 16:11 |
| bswartz | ok | 16:11 |
| bswartz | well I need to do it again this afternoon | 16:11 |
| bswartz | because this list is too long for my liking | 16:11 |
| ttx | i.e. people tend to use "Implements" in a commit message when the review actually doesn't close the blueprint | 16:11 |
| ttx | We could revisit that, I guess | 16:11 |
| bswartz | we have a small core team | 16:11 |
| ttx | we need to simplify updating BP status if https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Release_Cycle_Management/Liberty_Tracking is the way forward | 16:12 |
| bswartz | so manila is enforcing a FPF next week | 16:12 |
| bswartz | I saw you talking about that | 16:12 |
| ttx | so setting some code like "Blueprint-compltion: 50%" that would translate itno whatever code in LP we'll use to match that | 16:12 |
| bswartz | hmm | 16:13 |
| bswartz | would that text go in the git commit? | 16:13 |
| ttx | that's one way to do it | 16:13 |
| ttx | because "implements" and "partial-implements" are not realiably used | 16:13 |
| bswartz | does anything at all trigger in LP when a patch merges? | 16:14 |
| ttx | bswartz: currently nothing | 16:14 |
| bswartz | I thought that bugs got closed or something | 16:14 |
| ttx | but we have the framework to make things happen (we close bugs for example) | 16:14 |
| ttx | oh, sorry | 16:14 |
| ttx | yes, on patch-merge we have the bug-update script run | 16:14 |
| ttx | on patch-propose, we update bugs and BPs | 16:14 |
| bswartz | okay, so that script could be extended to do more, but it just does bugs today | 16:15 |
| ttx | 'that's all jeepyb scripts from our infra | 16:15 |
| bswartz | going through and updating BPs manually isn't that bad | 16:15 |
| ttx | right. That was the plan but cats would not use "Implements" safely and the update would be a bit unreliable | 16:15 |
| bswartz | but it's one of those things that scale poorly as the team gets bigger | 16:15 |
| bswartz | scales* | 16:15 |
| ttx | ideally it would be up to the assignee to keep that up to date, not you | 16:15 |
| ttx | Anyway, I'll let you continue to clean that one up | 16:16 |
| ttx | So you want to do FPF ? | 16:16 |
| bswartz | yes | 16:16 |
| ttx | expect unhappy people on that day :) | 16:16 |
| bswartz | in fact I've been telling people about it for 3 weeks in a row now so it's no surprise to anyone | 16:16 |
| ttx | good! | 16:16 |
| bswartz | I expect some exceptions will be made, but I don't tell people that | 16:17 |
| ttx | That generally results in shorter RC1 (less release-critical bugs) and you can open Liberty earlier | 16:17 |
| ttx | so it's not necessarily blocking people for a longer time | 16:17 |
| bswartz | yeah | 16:17 |
| bswartz | hey I dropped in on the TC meeting this week | 16:17 |
| ttx | alright -- anything else ? | 16:17 |
| bswartz | I saw the discussion about the release tag | 16:17 |
| ttx | hmm.. which one? | 16:18 |
| bswartz | is the TC going to close on the definition of the release tag before going and defining others? | 16:18 |
| bswartz | the discussion in the TC meeting | 16:18 |
| ttx | oh, the release tags. | 16:18 |
| ttx | no, we can add tags in parallel | 16:18 |
| bswartz | from your blog post I sort of expected half a dozen or more tags | 16:18 |
| ttx | I hope to come back from the Ops Summit with plenty of tags | 16:19 |
| bswartz | everyone is still wondering how tags are going to play out | 16:19 |
| ttx | one step at a time :) | 16:19 |
| bswartz | when is this ops summit? | 16:19 |
| ttx | It's in 11 days in PHL | 16:19 |
| bswartz | okay cool | 16:19 |
| bswartz | that's it from me | 16:20 |
| ttx | col, have a nice week! | 16:20 |
| ttx | cool* | 16:20 |
| bswartz | you too | 16:20 |
| ttx | flaper87: around? | 16:20 |
| flaper87 | ttx: yes | 16:21 |
| ttx | #topic Zaqar | 16:21 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/zaqar/+milestone/kilo-3 | 16:22 |
| ttx | Looks like good progress to me | 16:22 |
| flaper87 | yeah, unfortunatelly we've been having "gate illness" | 16:22 |
| ttx | is it solved now ? | 16:22 |
| flaper87 | in the last week so, some progress was slowed down | 16:22 |
| flaper87 | almost | 16:22 |
| flaper87 | I'm debugging the last one | 16:22 |
| ttx | Planning to enforce FPF next week ? | 16:22 |
| ttx | or just review as-needed ? | 16:23 |
| flaper87 | just review as-needed | 16:23 |
| ttx | ok | 16:23 |
| flaper87 | we're not far from our goal so I'm happy | 16:23 |
| flaper87 | considering how many we are | 16:23 |
| ttx | That's all I had (with the wiki link above) | 16:23 |
| ttx | any question on your side ? | 16:24 |
| flaper87 | no, sir! | 16:24 |
| flaper87 | thank you! | 16:24 |
| ttx | alright! Have a great week | 16:24 |
| ttx | and travel | 16:24 |
| flaper87 | ttx: thanks :) | 16:24 |
| ttx | Kiall: you there , | 16:24 |
| ttx | ? | 16:24 |
| Kiall | hey ttx | 16:24 |
| ttx | #topic Designate | 16:25 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/designate/+milestone/kilo-3 | 16:25 |
| ttx | You seem a bit alone there | 16:25 |
| Kiall | lol - there's one missing from the page ;) rest of the team is working on bugs and stability | 16:25 |
| ttx | Still feeling like you can deliver those ? | 16:25 |
| ttx | stability is good | 16:25 |
| Kiall | Yep, we've been working through stability more than anything else after some of the bigger k1/k2 things have left us not so stable | 16:26 |
| ttx | (which is why I'd like to push less emphasis on velocity, as part of https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Release_Cycle_Management/Liberty_Tracking) | 16:26 |
| ttx | ok, nice | 16:26 |
| ttx | what else... I ssupect you won't self-enforce a FPF on yourself that would be silly | 16:27 |
| Kiall | Lol, I might do ;) | 16:27 |
| ttx | alright -- questions on your side ? | 16:28 |
| Kiall | Not today, though I probably will after reading that wiki page ;) | 16:29 |
| ttx | hehe yes | 16:29 |
| ttx | that will basically impact how many projects I feel comfortable "coordinating" releases for | 16:29 |
| ttx | Currently in fact I'm handling all of the incubated ones | 16:29 |
| ttx | so the release:cooridnated tag (if accpeted) would apply to you | 16:30 |
| ttx | (basically making you equivalent tagging-wise to the previously "integrated" projects | 16:30 |
| Kiall | Okay, your thinking you continue to look after the incub projects then through L? | 16:30 |
| ttx | well, I plan to look after the release:coorinated projects, which is a set the team (me) defines | 16:30 |
| ttx | coordinated* | 16:31 |
| Kiall | Sure, that makes sense.. | 16:31 |
| ttx | I still have to see how much I think I can chew | 16:31 |
| ttx | but simplifying tracking would help me take more | 16:31 |
| ttx | That would be if you want to, obviously | 16:31 |
| Kiall | Looking at the wiki, weekly sync would be out, and as-neccessary syncs happen instead.. e.g. close to a release etc | 16:31 |
| ttx | I won't force anyone to be coordinated by me for sure | 16:31 |
| ttx | yeah, we basically wouldn't care so much tracking in-progress work | 16:32 |
| ttx | just tracking when to tag and what's in it | 16:32 |
| Kiall | That makes more sense to me.. Most of the time, planning 6-8 months in advance just fails.. | 16:32 |
| ttx | trying to apply to features what we do for bugs (autocollecting all the complete ones and associate them to the milestone) | 16:32 |
| ttx | that still means you need to keep the state of blueprints current (at least so that we know when they are completed) | 16:33 |
| ttx | but no longer targeting them to a specific milestone, or needing to defer them once they miss | 16:33 |
| ttx | which is like 80% of out 1:1 | 16:33 |
| ttx | anyone, I need to run. | 16:33 |
| ttx | "anyway", I mean | 16:33 |
| Kiall | Sure - Cya :) Thanks! | 16:33 |
| ttx | have a great week! | 16:33 |
| Kiall | you too | 16:34 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 16:34 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 26 16:34:03 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/incub_sync/2015/incub_sync.2015-02-26-16.02.html | 16:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/incub_sync/2015/incub_sync.2015-02-26-16.02.txt | 16:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/incub_sync/2015/incub_sync.2015-02-26-16.02.log.html | 16:34 |
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