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| ttx | mikal: ack | 09:26 |
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| mikal | ttx: you around? | 09:35 |
| ttx | mikal: yes! | 09:36 |
| mikal | Wanna do PM or here? | 09:36 |
| ttx | here is fine | 09:37 |
| mikal | Fair enough | 09:37 |
| ttx | We've developed a significant backlog of Nova security issues -- some just need a confirmation/debunking, some need a patch, some need reviews on proposed patches | 09:38 |
| mikal | Ok | 09:38 |
| mikal | All in LP as private security I assume? | 09:38 |
| ttx | yes, accessible to nova-coresec on LP | 09:39 |
| mikal | Ok | 09:39 |
| ttx | alaski was very much on top of them all by himself (which was pretty impressive) until recently | 09:39 |
| mikal | So... I can find Laski a helper if that is required | 09:39 |
| ttx | I think, at least until the backlog is processed | 09:40 |
| ttx | that would be helpful | 09:40 |
| mikal | Yeah, looking at the member list I am feeling a bit badf for abandoning laski | 09:40 |
| ttx | ideally alaski would have a couple of people that he could delegate stuff to when things get out of control | 09:40 |
| mikal | Yep | 09:40 |
| mikal | I think we can probable also do a little cull of the group to make room for some new people | 09:40 |
| ttx | because currently he seems to want to take it all on by himself, which I think is unreasonable | 09:40 |
| mikal | I can chase my victim tomorrow and see what he thinks | 09:40 |
| mikal | I'll ping laski as well about it | 09:41 |
| ttx | that sounds good. I think it's relatively easy to keep up with the new things as they arrive, but once a backlog has developed, it gets trickier | 09:41 |
| mikal | Yep, agreed | 09:41 |
| ttx | if only due to context switch | 09:41 |
| mikal | Thanks for bringing this to my attention | 09:42 |
| ttx | and to be clear, I don't blame alaski -- it's just too much work for one person. His only fail is that he probably feels uncomfortable asking other people to help him | 09:43 |
| ttx | so we need to help him there ;) | 09:43 |
| mikal | Oh, agreed | 09:43 |
| * ttx is good at asking other people to do work | 09:43 | |
| mikal | I feel bad because everyone else on that list is idle | 09:43 |
| mikal | Some have mostly moved off nova even | 09:43 |
| mikal | So, I'll take that as an action to clean up | 09:43 |
| ttx | that's a bit of the downside of the liaison stuff. Other people consider that area covered | 09:43 |
| ttx | and if the liaison doesn't call for help... | 09:44 |
| mikal | Yeah, I certainly consider it delegated | 09:44 |
| mikal | Agreed | 09:44 |
| mikal | But its ok, we can fix it | 09:44 |
| ttx | it's fine I think, as long as the liaison doesn't hesitate to aggressively go after other people and subdelegate | 09:44 |
| ttx | maybe we shoudl get the liaison people more visible credit, so they can gather a bit of influence | 09:45 |
| mikal | I think credit is always good | 09:45 |
| mikal | It can't hurt, right? | 09:45 |
| ttx | yes, I have a long-overdue blog post on leadership and CPLs | 09:45 |
| mikal | That sounds like a good idea | 09:45 |
| ttx | to give credit where due (in your team, to John and Andrew) | 09:45 |
| mikal | I think I should probably also email people's managers more and thank them for people's work | 09:46 |
| ttx | that was the concept behind making "CPL" a thing. and consider it a leadership position as the PTls are | 09:46 |
| ttx | so we can get more volunteers | 09:46 |
| ttx | and companies to back their work | 09:46 |
| mikal | Yeah, I worry that companies aren't that excited by credit | 09:47 |
| mikal | But it also can't hurt | 09:47 |
| ttx | also easier of a jump than applying directly for PTL. Having some of the responsibilities of the pTL delegated to you are a good way to get a feel of the work | 09:47 |
| mikal | Yeah | 09:48 |
| mikal | Frankly, it makes my job much more doable as well | 09:48 |
| ttx | so it's good succession planning | 09:48 |
| ttx | mikal: that was the idea | 09:49 |
| mikal | It would be nice to get some people from other companies more active in delegated positions in nova | 09:49 |
| mikal | But I can take that as something to chase as well | 09:49 |
| mikal | Problem being many cores are so over worked already... | 09:49 |
| ttx | indeed. But I don't feel like it's exclusive for core people though | 09:50 |
| ttx | Some people step up to do core reviewing, others can step up to, for example, do oslo liaison | 09:50 |
| mikal | Definitely with the security thing it isn't | 09:50 |
| mikal | My intended first victim isn't a core | 09:50 |
| ttx | in the security case, core helps because you need some +é reviewes on proposed patches | 09:50 |
| ttx | +2 | 09:50 |
| mikal | What they need to be good at is understanding impact and chasing the people they need help from | 09:51 |
| ttx | but then, security issue coordination doesn't really require core | 09:51 |
| ttx | right | 09:51 |
| ttx | it's basically what we used to do at the VMT (confirm and ping), but we can't really do for every project | 09:51 |
| mikal | So yeah, let me chase this and we can touch base in a week or so and see how I am going | 09:52 |
| ttx | because we can't know enough of everything | 09:52 |
| ttx | mikal: looks like alaski picked up a bit of the slack since I pinged you, but I fear burnout if we don't help him subdelegate | 09:52 |
| ttx | mikal: ttyl | 09:52 |
| mikal | Yep, I gotta go put the kids to bed | 09:53 |
| mikal | So laters | 09:53 |
| mikal | I am ok with cancelling the TC meeting if we don't have content BTW | 09:53 |
| ttx | mikal: ok, let sdague know, he will make the go/nogo call | 09:53 |
| mikal | Cool, I will reply to the thread | 09:54 |
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