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| ttx | mikal: around? | 07:39 |
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| ttx | mikal: i think you need to remove the unassigned stuff from the RC1 target | 07:39 |
| ttx | because i don't see how we can reach RC1 in a reasonable amount of time otherwise | 07:40 |
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| mikal | ttx: I've been pinging those | 11:24 |
| mikal | I removed a few today | 11:24 |
| ttx | ok | 11:26 |
| mikal | https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1188189 times out when I try to untarget it | 11:26 |
| ttx | mikal: Launchpad for sure is not getting any better with 0.5 FTE working on it | 11:26 |
| mikal | Yeah, but that one is stuck which means we "never" release | 11:27 |
| ttx | mikal: done | 11:27 |
| ttx | mikal: for some reason, if you expand the nova section in the bug and untarget there, it works better | 11:27 |
| * ttx knows all the tricks | 11:28 | |
| mikal | Ok, a quick scan through shows two genuinly not assigned | 11:29 |
| mikal | And I've pinged both of those | 11:29 |
| mikal | ttx: I don't feel well so I am going to wander off now, but I will chase these once again tomorrow | 11:30 |
| ttx | mikal: sure! have a nice evening! | 11:31 |
| sdague | my trick on something like https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1188189 is to delete Fix Committed projects | 11:48 |
| sdague | if you get the project list small enough, you can usually change nova states | 11:48 |
| sdague | mikal: I can work on fixing that one today | 11:49 |
| Kiall | Hey ttx - About? | 12:29 |
| ttx | Kiall: indeed | 12:31 |
| ttx | #startmeeting incub_sync | 12:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 25 12:31:52 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:31 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'incub_sync' | 12:31 |
| ttx | #topic Designate | 12:32 |
| ttx | https://launchpad.net/designate/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 12:32 |
| Kiall | So - We talked last week about pushing that last BP out, it's not merged, so we pushed it to Kilo. | 12:32 |
| ttx | 2 RC bugs left before we can cut RC1 | 12:32 |
| ttx | Just let me know when you're done, and we'll tag and open kilo | 12:32 |
| ttx | then if some new release-critical thing is detected we'll open a RC2 window to fix it | 12:33 |
| Kiall | Yes, both have reviews up, one has a mistake or two, the other needs review. | 12:33 |
| Kiall | Since neither are "it's totally broke" bugs - should we cut an rc1 and expect to do an rc2, or better to wait? | 12:33 |
| ttx | You seem in good shape | 12:33 |
| ttx | no, we should wait | 12:33 |
| ttx | RCs need to be release candidates | 12:34 |
| ttx | i.e. at that point in time, you're fine with it being released as final | 12:34 |
| Kiall | Okay - Hopefully we can get them both merged today. I'll takeover Endre's and get the other cores to re-review both today. | 12:34 |
| Kiall | (Endre is on holidays now..) | 12:34 |
| ttx | you can discover new things... and respin the RC... but there is no point in doing a RC1 when you already have bugs piled up for a RC2 | 12:34 |
| Kiall | Sure, makes sense. | 12:35 |
| ttx | so better wait a few days to be sure, rather than open a RC2 window just after RC1 iscooked | 12:35 |
| ttx | The rationale is.. people only test RCs if they believe it may be the final | 12:35 |
| ttx | if a RC2 is queued, then they wait | 12:35 |
| ttx | Releasing is a psychology exercise | 12:35 |
| Kiall | Hah - OK - Makes sense.. I'll ping you once both have landed then? | 12:36 |
| ttx | Kiall: yes -- other questions ? | 12:36 |
| Kiall | Yep - But all can wait till we open kilo ;) | 12:36 |
| Kiall | Actually.. 1 | 12:37 |
| ttx | Looking at design summit space -- nothing final, but current estimate: | 12:37 |
| Kiall | Oo - I didn't know you were involved in that! Then I have questions ;) | 12:37 |
| ttx | You would get 3 scheduled slots on the Tuesday, then a pod for the rest of the week | 12:37 |
| ttx | (dedicated pod) | 12:37 |
| Kiall | Okay - That sounds reasonable, I understand space in Paris is somewhat more limited than usual. | 12:37 |
| Kiall | The scheduled slots, at what point do we finalize the topics etc? | 12:38 |
| ttx | (incubated projects in ATL got about the same fwiw) | 12:38 |
| ttx | Kiall: at least one week before summit starts | 12:38 |
| ttx | so people can start organizing and we can check conflicts | 12:39 |
| ttx | It's the job of the Kilo PTL, but you might be that person | 12:39 |
| Kiall | Yep - I was expecting it to be less than ATL, since space is tighter and there's more projects! | 12:39 |
| Kiall | Yep - I've nominated myself, and asked the others to nominate themselves if they wish. | 12:39 |
| ttx | Kiall: alright then, talk to you later ? | 12:39 |
| Kiall | Yep - Enjoy your day :) | 12:40 |
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| Kiall | ttx: FYI both patches have 2x +2's .. Waiting on the check queue to +1, then I expect they will be approved shortly after.. | 13:21 |
| ttx | SergeyLukjanov, zaneb: ping re: RC1 buglist when you get a chance | 13:52 |
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| mestery | ttx: Any idea on when you plan to cut RC1? Trying to see which bugs have a chance at this point. | 14:55 |
| ttx | When you're ready and confident it could make a release candidate | 14:55 |
| ttx | The goal is to hit that before the end of the month ideally | 14:56 |
| ttx | to leave 2 weeks for further testing | 14:56 |
| ttx | and potential respins | 14:56 |
| ttx | mestery: so as we get closer to the end of the month, we become more picky on what is considered a release blocker | 14:56 |
| mestery | ttx: Ack, I've been pairing things down, I think we're down to 10 bugs in RC1 now, with maybe 3-4 of those in the queue and the rest being respun today | 14:57 |
| ttx | and then we only reopen a new RC window if a bug is serious enough (like: it's a regression) | 14:57 |
| mestery | So we're close | 14:57 |
| mestery | Got it | 14:57 |
| ttx | the goal being, to trick testers into thinking it might well be the final, so they better test it | 14:58 |
| dolphm | ttx: have an RC1 countdown chart running? | 15:08 |
| ttx | dolphm: http://old-wiki.openstack.org/rc/ | 15:08 |
| dolphm | ttx: did i miss something with glance? no PTL candidacies for kilo + no RC blockers? | 15:09 |
| ttx | dolphm: the team around it wasn't very active in Juno. So it's not very surprising they are not broken hopelessly at this point | 15:10 |
| ttx | we still hope to find candidates before the end of the day though :) | 15:11 |
| zaneb | ttx: o/ | 15:12 |
| ttx | zaneb: hey! Feel like the curve of RC issues is not going in the right direction those last days for Heat: http://old-wiki.openstack.org/rc/ | 15:13 |
| ttx | it might be time to split between real release blcokers and nice-to-haves-that-could -be-fixed-post-release | 15:13 |
| zaneb | yep, that is my task for today | 15:13 |
| zaneb | that and triaging the 'new' bugs to make sure none of those are actually release blockers | 15:14 |
| ttx | right, ok | 15:15 |
| ttx | i want that curve oriented in a way that makes it look like it may hit the floor before the end of the month | 15:15 |
| ttx | hint: it never really does :) | 15:15 |
| zaneb | lol | 15:16 |
| ttx | Although I guess Cinder's curve is a good approximation | 15:16 |
| ttx | most of the others have a week or two of "RC1 what?", then a surge as bugs get triaged... then a few steep drops when I ping people about keeping only blockers | 15:17 |
| ttx | then they brutally hit the floor one or two days after the symbolic deadline I set | 15:17 |
| ttx | david-lyle: got a minute? | 15:23 |
| david-lyle | yes | 15:23 |
| ttx | david-lyle: same remark, horizon RC bugs not going in the right direction over the last day(s) | 15:23 |
| ttx | are they all release blockers? | 15:24 |
| ttx | or could you further split blockers from nice-to-haves ? | 15:24 |
| david-lyle | several last minute previously untargeted Sahara issues cause the bump in our curve | 15:24 |
| ttx | oh, right | 15:25 |
| ttx | I guess you can hit RC1 slightly later than the others though | 15:25 |
| ttx | like before the end of next week | 15:25 |
| ttx | SergeyLukjanov: around? | 15:25 |
| david-lyle | yes, I hope so. A few of the in progress are +A and making there way through the gate now | 15:26 |
| david-lyle | *their | 15:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, yup | 15:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, for sahara https://launchpad.net/sahara/+milestone/juno-rc1 is up to date | 15:26 |
| ttx | SergeyLukjanov: same remark, a bit concerned that your RC bug curve is generally not oriented in the right direction | 15:26 |
| ttx | oh. 0 ? | 15:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, yup | 15:26 |
| ttx | some would say that's cheating now | 15:27 |
| ttx | SergeyLukjanov: how about we let it bake for one day and cut tomorrow when you get up ? | 15:27 |
| ttx | I'll run a few checks | 15:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, +1 | 15:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, we're testing it now too | 15:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, all other open issues are all about docs | 15:28 |
| ttx | alright, good | 15:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | david-lyle, thanks for accepting our last minute patches, and sorry about this... | 15:30 |
| david-lyle | SergeyLukjanov: no worries, if we have them on our radar sooner in the future, there should be less scrambling | 15:31 |
| david-lyle | but we'll get them in | 15:31 |
| ttx | SergeyLukjanov: I cut horizon some slack precisely due to that | 15:31 |
| ttx | they are often hit by last-minute things in upstream projects | 15:31 |
| ttx | so the are naturally "ready" a bit later | 15:32 |
| ttx | jraim: around? | 15:32 |
| jraim | ttx: yes | 15:32 |
| ttx | #topic Barbican | 15:32 |
| ttx | https://launchpad.net/barbican/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 15:33 |
| ttx | still seem like a lot to do before you can do a RC1 | 15:33 |
| ttx | Are those 2 features still in progress ? | 15:34 |
| jraim | redrobot is working on it. we only have a little bit left from what I understand | 15:34 |
| redrobot | hi ttx and jraim! Yes, I just bumped one of the BPs to Kilo-1. The other one is just waiting on a single patch, so we should have that merged in the next day or two. | 15:34 |
| ttx | OK, then the goal is to come up with a list of release blockers | 15:34 |
| redrobot | after that we'll be in bugfix mode. Not sure if we'll want an RC1 now, and then an RC2 with bugfixes. | 15:34 |
| ttx | and keep non-release blockers out of the list, so that we know when we can tag a RC1 | 15:34 |
| ttx | no, ideally RCs need to truly be potential release candidates | 15:35 |
| ttx | so better wait | 15:35 |
| redrobot | ok | 15:35 |
| ttx | no big deal if you miss the "end of month" target I set for intgrated release | 15:35 |
| ttx | so yes, get those features out of the picture so that you can concentrate on identifying release blockers and getting them fixed | 15:36 |
| ttx | then when you believe you have a winer, we tag it RC1, which should result in added scrutiny from external testers | 15:36 |
| ttx | and potentially regressions being found | 15:37 |
| ttx | which would then warrant a RC respin | 15:37 |
| ttx | jraim, redrobot: makes sense ? | 15:37 |
| redrobot | ttx yes, got it. Once we're comfortable with RC1, should I just ping you directly? | 15:37 |
| ttx | (the perk being when we tag RC1 we also unfreeze master) | 15:37 |
| ttx | redrobot: yeah | 15:38 |
| redrobot | ok, will do. | 15:38 |
| ttx | jraim, redrobot: questions ? | 15:38 |
| redrobot | I'm good. How about you jraim? | 15:38 |
| jraim | sorry - drive by meeting. Getting caught up | 15:39 |
| jraim | this makes sense to me | 15:39 |
| ttx | ok then! talk to you guys later | 15:40 |
| jraim | thanks! | 15:40 |
| ttx | flaper87: arond? | 15:41 |
| ttx | around, even? | 15:41 |
| flaper87 | ttx: o/ | 15:41 |
| flaper87 | sorry | 15:41 |
| ttx | #topic Zaqar | 15:41 |
| ttx | https://launchpad.net/zaqar/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 15:41 |
| ttx | 4 RC bugs left | 15:41 |
| ttx | which all seem RC to me | 15:41 |
| flaper87 | zaqar is in a pretty bad shape now, there are some bugs that I'd like to get in but our gate is blocked | 15:41 |
| ttx | so nothing to add really | 15:41 |
| flaper87 | patches for those bugs are up for review | 15:42 |
| flaper87 | we're waiting for the patch that fixes our gate to land | 15:42 |
| flaper87 | to get this done | 15:42 |
| ttx | ok | 15:42 |
| ttx | ping me when you get closer to rc1 and I'll run the scripts for you | 15:43 |
| ttx | flaper87: questions? | 15:43 |
| flaper87 | ttx: nope, all clear | 15:43 |
| ttx | flaper87: alright, thx | 15:46 |
| ttx | devananda: ready when you are | 15:46 |
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| ttx | #endmeeting | 16:31 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 25 16:31:23 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/incub_sync/2014/incub_sync.2014-09-25-12.31.html | 16:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/incub_sync/2014/incub_sync.2014-09-25-12.31.txt | 16:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/incub_sync/2014/incub_sync.2014-09-25-12.31.log.html | 16:31 |
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