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| ttx | mikal: ready? | 08:03 |
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| ttx | #startmeeting ptl_sync | 08:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 12 08:03:06 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ptl_sync' | 08:03 |
| mikal | Hi | 08:04 |
| ttx | #topic Nova | 08:04 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/juno-3 | 08:04 |
| ttx | Status looks coherent, there are 5 "unknown" states that could use clarification | 08:04 |
| mikal | Yep | 08:05 |
| mikal | And the usual "we could do more code review" comment applies | 08:05 |
| ttx | As far as progress goes, last week we had 1 implemented, 29 in review | 08:05 |
| ttx | This week: | 08:05 |
| mikal | We're trying to identify things to review in the meetings, but its early days | 08:05 |
| ttx | #info 2 Implemented, 33 under review, 27 in progress and 11 Not started/Unknown | 08:05 |
| ttx | So I'd say you need to convert to "Implemented" faster, and yes, singling out "blueprints of the week" could allow faster iterations and more conversion | 08:06 |
| mikal | Agreed | 08:06 |
| mikal | So yeah, we're trying it but we could be more active | 08:06 |
| mikal | I haven't had a lot of code review time in the last week | 08:06 |
| mikal | As I find things which are important and under review I can ping cores and ask them to take a look | 08:07 |
| ttx | We are 9 days away from FPF, so I expect a lot of those 38 in progress/notstarted to not make it | 08:07 |
| mikal | Agreed | 08:07 |
| mikal | We can bump them then though | 08:08 |
| ttx | Maybe starting to aggressively defer stuff where assignees are fine to drop it to Kilo | 08:08 |
| mikal | Ahhh, as in ping people and ask them if they're going to make it or not? | 08:08 |
| ttx | Like Dan Berrange has 5, and only one in review | 08:08 |
| mikal | Do you plan on sending a general FPF reminder to the mailing list? | 08:08 |
| mikal | Or does each project do that? | 08:08 |
| ttx | It's more project-specific, since some projects do not follow the FPF | 08:09 |
| mikal | Ok, fair enough | 08:09 |
| ttx | I'll send reminders for the feature freeze itself | 08:09 |
| ttx | which is cross-project | 08:09 |
| ttx | but FPF I think is only followed by 3 projects | 08:09 |
| mikal | Ok, I will send an email | 08:09 |
| ttx | jaypipes has 3 blueprints to, none under review yet | 08:09 |
| ttx | too* | 08:09 |
| ttx | In those cases they could already pick one to drop | 08:10 |
| mikal | Agreed | 08:10 |
| ttx | so my advice would be to review the top, which ones are 99% there and just need a bit more attention to pass | 08:11 |
| ttx | and the bottom, which ones are very unlikely to make it and should be proactively dropped | 08:11 |
| mikal | As in those in "needs code review" | 08:11 |
| ttx | that way you reduce the slate | 08:11 |
| ttx | otherwise the sheer number of targets make it very difficult to make any kind of significant progress | 08:12 |
| ttx | Quick look at the High/Essential prio stuff | 08:12 |
| ttx | There are 6 High | 08:12 |
| ttx | 4 already under code review | 08:13 |
| mikal | The top two are ongoing efforts | 08:13 |
| mikal | They're unlikely to be complete in Juno | 08:13 |
| mikal | Which you could argue means they're mistargetted | 08:13 |
| ttx | ok, it's like never actually "complete", just merge as much as you can ? | 08:13 |
| mikal | But we also really want to land the code | 08:13 |
| mikal | Yep | 08:13 |
| ttx | ok, that's fine | 08:14 |
| mikal | Well, they'll be compelte one day | 08:14 |
| mikal | Just not instantly | 08:14 |
| mikal | So high actually looks ok to me on that basis | 08:14 |
| ttx | I would prioritize up the stuff that affects other projects | 08:14 |
| ttx | i.e. ironic and cinder clientv2 | 08:14 |
| mikal | Like the ironic thing? | 08:14 |
| mikal | Yep, ironic is already getting pretty good attention -- its currenlty waiting for review comments to be addressed | 08:14 |
| ttx | ok | 08:15 |
| mikal | Cinder I'd have to check | 08:15 |
| ttx | I think that's all I had | 08:15 |
| ttx | not sure how dependent Cinder is on that feature though | 08:15 |
| ttx | i suspect you could keep using v1 | 08:15 |
| mikal | Yeah, I think they want to remove v1 IIRC | 08:15 |
| ttx | Anything you'd like to discuss at cross-project meeting today? | 08:15 |
| mikal | Just looking at it, the code might have been abandoned? | 08:15 |
| mikal | So, we're starting to get requests for kilo specs to open | 08:16 |
| mikal | I'd be interested in how other projects are handling that | 08:16 |
| mikal | I personally feel its a distraction from Juno, but I think I am going to lose that argument | 08:16 |
| ttx | hmm, ok. mestery had a thread about that on the ML a few weeks ago | 08:16 |
| mikal | The counter argument being that the people wanting to write those specs aren't interested in fixing Juno bugs anyways | 08:16 |
| mikal | Hmmm, I shall go looking for that. I missed it. | 08:17 |
| ttx | People should know they can ignore nova-specs in review for now | 08:17 |
| mikal | Oh, I think the reviewers do | 08:17 |
| ttx | so posting changes there doesn't hurt THAT much | 08:17 |
| mikal | Its more we haven't given any way for someone to propose a kilo spec | 08:17 |
| ttx | but yeah, just the fact that people ask is a bit worrying | 08:17 |
| mikal | Its people who have a feature to add and then want to run away | 08:17 |
| mikal | You know the type | 08:17 |
| ttx | I can add a topic for the meeting today about "When to open Kilo specs" | 08:18 |
| mikal | That would be good | 08:18 |
| mikal | Thanks | 08:18 |
| ttx | ok done | 08:19 |
| ttx | mikal: all set? | 08:19 |
| mikal | Yep, done | 08:19 |
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| eglynn | ttx: knock, knock, ready when you are ... | 11:44 |
| ttx | eglynn: o/ | 11:45 |
| ttx | #topic Ceilometer | 11:45 |
| eglynn | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/juno-3 | 11:45 |
| eglynn | so I think that's our full slate of BPs for juno-3 | 11:46 |
| ttx | #info 2 implemented, 4 under review, 6 in progress | 11:46 |
| eglynn | good progress on most things with priority > Low | 11:46 |
| eglynn | with the exception of the gnocchi dispatcher, but that slightly decoupled in any case | 11:47 |
| eglynn | i.e. forward-looking to kilo | 11:47 |
| eglynn | so I'm not overly-concerned but will keep a close eye on it | 11:47 |
| ttx | still a long way to go | 11:47 |
| eglynn | yeap, so I've an additional resource (cdent) to help out with two of the higher priority BPs | 11:48 |
| ttx | ok, cool | 11:48 |
| eglynn | (in addition to the main authors) | 11:48 |
| eglynn | so that should expedite progress | 11:48 |
| ttx | You don't plan to enfore a feature proposal freeze anyway, so for all of those you have 3 weeks left | 11:49 |
| eglynn | (that's cdetn helping out on central-agent-partitioning & bigger-data-sql specifically) | 11:49 |
| eglynn | yes, I'm planning to push the feature proposal freeze idea as hard as possible | 11:50 |
| ttx | OK, if there is little progress by next week we may want to cut down a number of things that will obviously not make it | 11:50 |
| ttx | but let's give them all a chance for the time being | 11:50 |
| ttx | Anything you want to discuss at meeting today? | 11:50 |
| eglynn | yeap, I'll pass that mess onto to gordc, and will do another pass on Friday before I finish up | 11:50 |
| eglynn | yeap couple of things | 11:50 |
| eglynn | major snafu in Fedora-land has killed the ceilo py26 gate for the last day | 11:51 |
| eglynn | mongodb packages were retired from EPEL6 by mistake | 11:51 |
| eglynn | (couchdb was the intended victim) | 11:51 |
| ttx | heh | 11:51 |
| eglynn | see https://www.redhat.com/archives/pulp-list/2014-August/msg00002.html & https://www.redhat.com/archives/pulp-list/2014-August/msg00016.html | 11:51 |
| ttx | ?o??db | 11:51 |
| eglynn | yeap :) | 11:51 |
| eglynn | the bad commit has been reverted and the version re-tagged, pbrady is actively chasing +1s on restoring | 11:51 |
| eglynn | but may take a while for the restore to propogate thru' | 11:52 |
| eglynn | in the meantime, ceilo gating is blocked :( | 11:52 |
| ttx | ok | 11:52 |
| eglynn | also possibly marconi & trove? | 11:52 |
| ttx | #info Ceilo py26 fgate blocked on Fedora snfu removing mongodb packages | 11:52 |
| eglynn | as a stop-gap, we may need to install the RPM direct from the Fedora package build system on the centos-6 jenkins slaves | 11:52 |
| * eglynn will talk to the infra folks about this | 11:52 | |
| ttx | Did you discuss the best time for 1:1 syncs with Gordon starting next week? | 11:53 |
| eglynn | I mailed him with those alternate times as he was offline, no response yet | 11:53 |
| ttx | ok | 11:53 |
| eglynn | I'll chase on IRC this afternoon | 11:53 |
| ttx | #action ttx to see best time for Gordon for upcoming 1:1 sync with Ceilometer | 11:54 |
| eglynn | not that we're going to solve this now, but ... | 11:54 |
| ttx | otherwise will discuss it with him directly | 11:54 |
| eglynn | the other thing I'm concerned about is the demotivational/distraction effect of that future of integration release discussion | 11:54 |
| eglynn | from a timing perspective re. the push for juno-3 | 11:54 |
| eglynn | but as I said, we're not going to solve that now | 11:55 |
| ttx | trick is we need to review several incubation/graduation requests during August | 11:55 |
| ttx | all I can say is that this discussion doesn't affect Juno | 11:55 |
| ttx | it's all about Kilo | 11:55 |
| ttx | BUT some kilo-affecting decisions need to be taken asap | 11:56 |
| ttx | especialy which projects to graduate or not | 11:56 |
| eglynn | yeah, I was assuming that re the Kilo orientation | 11:56 |
| ttx | eglynn: btw we should have time to discuss gnocchi today | 11:56 |
| eglynn | yeah, cool, there's been some activity on that ML thread | 11:57 |
| * ttx is a bit late with email | 11:57 | |
| ttx | ETOOMANYFIRES | 11:57 |
| eglynn | I'll be around during the TC meeting when you need to call on me | 11:57 |
| ttx | anything specific you want to discuss at the cross-project meeting? | 11:57 |
| eglynn | it might be worth clarifying the documentation contribution workflow | 11:58 |
| eglynn | specifically the heavyweight XML docbook markup that we've been struggling with | 11:58 |
| eglynn | versus a new lightweight RST-based workflow that the doc team are piloting with heat | 11:59 |
| ttx | eglynn: sounds good. Could you edit https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ProjectMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting ? | 11:59 |
| eglynn | will do | 11:59 |
| ttx | thx! | 11:59 |
| ttx | talk to you later, then | 11:59 |
| ttx | SergeyLukjanov: around? | 11:59 |
| eglynn | OK | 11:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, I'm here | 12:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, sorry, just returned from the lunch | 12:11 |
| ttx | #topic Sahara | 12:13 |
| ttx | SergeyLukjanov: o/ | 12:13 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/sahara/+milestone/juno-3 | 12:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, hey | 12:14 |
| ttx | #info 2 implemented, 4 udner review, 8 in progress, 1 not started | 12:14 |
| ttx | That's 4 more blueprints since last time we looked at it | 12:14 |
| ttx | this is also progressing slowly | 12:15 |
| ttx | Do you plan to use a feature proposal freeze next week? | 12:15 |
| ttx | i.e. drop everything that is not under code review yet? | 12:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, I think so | 12:15 |
| ttx | #info Sahara might use FPF | 12:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, I'll talk with folks on the meeting this week about slow progress blueprints and probably move some of them to the next | 12:17 |
| ttx | Looking at the high-prio items... | 12:17 |
| ttx | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sahara/+spec/edp-swift-trust-authentication is marked "slow progress" | 12:17 |
| ttx | although 3 merged out of 4... is it blocked on something ? | 12:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, it's extremely complicated | 12:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, and it looks like we'll move it to next | 12:18 |
| ttx | ok, do it early rather than kate, will free up reviewers time | 12:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, it's about changing auth and credentials distribution strategies for data sources | 12:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, all current CRs are backward compat and adds support for moving to the new strategy, and useful by itself | 12:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'm just not sure that it'll be fully completed in J | 12:20 |
| ttx | I prefer that you get the others merged rater than try this one and fail the others as a result | 12:21 |
| ttx | so maybe move it to next at the next meeting | 12:21 |
| ttx | OK, anything you wanted to discuss at cross-project meeting today? | 12:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, I think everything is going ok | 12:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | dashboard stuff going ok too | 12:22 |
| ttx | SergeyLukjanov: ok cool, talk to you later then | 12:22 |
| ttx | dhellmann: around? | 12:22 |
| dhellmann | hi, ttx | 12:22 |
| ttx | #topic Oslo | 12:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, thx | 12:22 |
| ttx | #topic https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/juno-3 | 12:23 |
| ttx | #topic https://launchpad.net/oslo.messaging/+milestone/juno-3 | 12:23 |
| ttx | #topic https://launchpad.net/oslo.vmware/+milestone/juno-3 | 12:23 |
| ttx | ... | 12:23 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I've been giving some thoughts on that mess ^ | 12:23 |
| ttx | I think we should be using an oslo project group in LP, and use library versions as milestones | 12:24 |
| dhellmann | hmm, there aren't milestones set up. I thought the vmware guys were going to use the oslo project so we wouldn't keep making this worse :-/ | 12:24 |
| dhellmann | ttx: that seems like it would help | 12:25 |
| ttx | dhellmann: i'll post something to that effect | 12:25 |
| dhellmann | we did talk about that last time, iirc, but I didn't follow up on making it happen | 12:25 |
| ttx | Still need to check how blueprints would show up | 12:25 |
| ttx | for bugs, it's pretty nice | 12:25 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I'm worried if we switch to versions for milestones it will be confusing when we talk about the cycle schedule | 12:25 |
| ttx | we'd keep the same "series" | 12:26 |
| ttx | but yeah, still on my todo list to explore all the consequences of the proposal :) | 12:27 |
| ttx | in the meantime... | 12:27 |
| dhellmann | ok | 12:27 |
| ttx | Most of the oslo-incubator BPs are about graduation, which is not really a FF thing | 12:28 |
| dhellmann | right | 12:28 |
| ttx | and the remaining ones are more "good if they go in, not a big deal if they don't" | 12:29 |
| ttx | Although I guess I would like us to wrap up the daemon mode thing | 12:29 |
| ttx | but no big deal if we warp it up first thing in Juno | 12:29 |
| ttx | in Kilo | 12:29 |
| ttx | So just drop stuff you know won't make it, to avoid settign wrong expectations | 12:30 |
| ttx | dhellmann: anythign you want to discuss at meeting today? | 12:30 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I think we're OK now that everyone is back from vacation and we can start doing more reviews | 12:31 |
| dhellmann | nothing from me this week | 12:31 |
| ttx | OK then, thanks for your time | 12:31 |
| dhellmann | ttyl | 12:31 |
| ttx | jgriffith: ready when you are | 14:01 |
| dolphm | ttx: https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo/+bug/1321080/comments/34 | 14:02 |
| ttx | dolphm: commented | 14:04 |
| ttx | dolphm: I guess we can talk now, if you're around | 14:13 |
| dolphm | ttx: o/ | 14:15 |
| ttx | #topic Keystone | 14:15 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/juno-3 | 14:16 |
| ttx | #info 0 Implemented, 4 Under review, 2 in progress, 6 Blocked/Not started | 14:16 |
| ttx | That looks a bit late to me | 14:17 |
| dolphm | agree | 14:17 |
| dolphm | on the upside, openid connect is supposedly complete somewhere outside of gerrit | 14:17 |
| dolphm | i don't think we'll have anything to deprecate this cycle, so that bp will just go away | 14:18 |
| dolphm | and audit support for federation is a small change | 14:18 |
| dolphm | that's our three "Not Started" | 14:18 |
| ttx | The blocked ones are those waiting for spec approval? | 14:18 |
| dolphm | two of the Blocked ones are mostly blocked on "Do we really need this?" but the work is easy if we agree | 14:19 |
| dolphm | yes | 14:19 |
| ttx | hmm, ok | 14:19 |
| ttx | But still, time is running out | 14:19 |
| ttx | so you have to make up your mind now | 14:19 |
| ttx | because you need to start finalizing some of those | 14:19 |
| dolphm | the scary ones in terms of amount of work and complexity of reviews are keystone-to-keystone federation and non-persistent pki tokens | 14:19 |
| ttx | right, I'm a bit concerned with keystone-to-keystone federation | 14:21 |
| ttx | what's the current state ? | 14:21 |
| ttx | I think that would be really good if that landed in juno | 14:21 |
| ttx | so maybe moving non-persistent pki tokens to next makes sense | 14:21 |
| dolphm | there were a lot of radically different options to approach it, and we didn't decide on a solution until our hackathon in early july. it's made good progress since then, but we didn't exactly choose the lightest weight solution. it's going to be close if it makes it | 14:21 |
| ttx | do you think moving stuff out of the way would help ? | 14:23 |
| ttx | or is it completely separate | 14:23 |
| dolphm | openid connect looks like the only one that might directly interfere | 14:23 |
| dolphm | i'll follow up with steve on that one | 14:24 |
| ttx | dolphm: do you plan to enforce FPF next week? | 14:24 |
| dolphm | yes, aug 21? | 14:24 |
| ttx | yep | 14:25 |
| ttx | OK, anything for the meeting agenda today? | 14:26 |
| dolphm | nope | 14:26 |
| ttx | #info Keystone plans to enforce FPF | 14:26 |
| ttx | ok then ttyl! | 14:26 |
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| dolphm | o/ | 14:27 |
| ttx | david-lyle: o/ | 14:33 |
| david-lyle | ttx: o/ | 14:33 |
| ttx | #topic Horizon | 14:33 |
| ttx | down to 63 blueprints | 14:34 |
| ttx | https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/juno-3 | 14:34 |
| david-lyle | heh | 14:34 |
| ttx | #info 7 implemented, 28 under review, 24 in progress, 4 unknown | 14:34 |
| david-lyle | yeah still way too much load, working on pruning the list, and trying to keep up with cleaning out those added everyday | 14:35 |
| ttx | yep, 3 weeks left | 14:36 |
| david-lyle | several are very mature and should merge soon | 14:36 |
| ttx | ok, hopefully we'll see a clear progress next week | 14:37 |
| ttx | also we have FPF on August 21 | 14:37 |
| ttx | so you can leverage that to remove stuff that is just not there yet | 14:37 |
| david-lyle | I set Horizon's at Aug 12 | 14:37 |
| david-lyle | or 14 | 14:37 |
| ttx | that would be Thursday | 14:37 |
| ttx | cool | 14:37 |
| ttx | Looking at High prio stuff... | 14:38 |
| david-lyle | yeah, already too much, can't handle more | 14:38 |
| ttx | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/remove-javascript-bundling is under review -- in good shape? | 14:38 |
| david-lyle | it's close, had a couple of bug fixes that set it back a little, should be ready soon | 14:39 |
| ttx | i see two more changes needing review/merge | 14:39 |
| ttx | ok | 14:39 |
| ttx | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/launch-instance-ux-enhancement is in progress -- how far is it? | 14:39 |
| ttx | That one still very much WIP | 14:39 |
| david-lyle | this is stalled and I may have to move out of Juno | 14:39 |
| david-lyle | unfortunately | 14:40 |
| ttx | ok, drop it early if you do | 14:40 |
| ttx | so that we don't communicate wrong expectations | 14:40 |
| david-lyle | sure, I'll bring it up in the Horizon team meeting | 14:41 |
| david-lyle | make sure there's not work I'm missing | 14:41 |
| ttx | ok | 14:41 |
| ttx | anything you want to discuss at meeting today? | 14:41 |
| david-lyle | no, I don't think so | 14:41 |
| ttx | alrighty then, talk to you later | 14:42 |
| ttx | mestery: ready when you are | 14:42 |
| david-lyle | ttx: thanks | 14:42 |
| mestery | ttx: o/ | 14:42 |
| ttx | #topic Neutron | 14:42 |
| ttx | been following your mailing-list adventures | 14:42 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/juno-3 | 14:42 |
| mestery | ttx: It's been fun :) | 14:42 |
| ttx | #info 3 implemented, 39 under review, 11 in progress, 32 unknown/blocked | 14:43 |
| ttx | so those unknown are a bit of a concern I guess | 14:43 |
| mestery | Agreed | 14:43 |
| mestery | It's likely I'll cull most of those next week. | 14:43 |
| mestery | For the most part, they are all low priority, best effort. | 14:43 |
| ttx | also feels like you could do with 32 less blueprints in your plate | 14:43 |
| mestery | Agreed | 14:43 |
| ttx | mestery: if all core reviewers really ignored those and prioritized their reviews properly, I would say we don't mind them | 14:44 |
| ttx | but just having such a busy slate is discouraging | 14:44 |
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| ttx | so the numbers just hurt | 14:44 |
| mestery | Yes, in the future, we are going to be better about saying no earlier on. | 14:45 |
| mestery | It's something we as a team acknowledge we need to do better at | 14:45 |
| ttx | Looking at the essential/high stuff | 14:45 |
| ttx | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/neutron-dvr-fwaas has unknown status | 14:45 |
| ttx | does that mean you lst contact with the people working on it ? | 14:45 |
| mestery | Yes, that one concerns me, they owner says "it's coming", but I have my doubts. | 14:45 |
| mestery | I plan to follow up again on that one today to see if it has a chance. | 14:46 |
| ttx | or that you have no idea so it's as bad as not started as far as you're concerned | 14:46 |
| mestery | I think the latter. | 14:46 |
| ttx | ok | 14:46 |
| mestery | There was a lot of activity on it a few weeks back on an email htread | 14:46 |
| mestery | and then it's died on the vine :( | 14:46 |
| ttx | How is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/neutron-ovs-dvr going ? | 14:46 |
| mestery | That one is "done", they have left it open while they fix a few bugs which have fallen out. | 14:47 |
| mestery | But the functionality has merged a few weeks back | 14:47 |
| mestery | So, that's a HUGE win for us | 14:47 |
| ttx | frankly if we ignore the Low/Unknowns it doesn't look that bad | 14:47 |
| mestery | Agreed | 14:47 |
| ttx | Like almost all the >=Medium are proposed | 14:48 |
| mestery | L3 HA is also very important, and it's coming along nicely at this point as well. | 14:48 |
| mestery | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/l3-high-availability | 14:48 |
| ttx | so maybe you can just bluntly leverage FPF to remove all the extra stuff | 14:48 |
| mestery | That is my plan :) | 14:48 |
| * mestery will be in Chicago next week for Linuxcon and plans to spend Friday morning cleaning this up. | 14:49 | |
| mestery | That's post FPF | 14:49 |
| mestery | Which is next Thursday | 14:49 |
| ttx | But then you should also finalize as many as you can while it's not too difficult to do so | 14:49 |
| mestery | Yes | 14:49 |
| ttx | Theer are two things that concern me on the recent threads | 14:49 |
| ttx | The first one is the disagreement on the nova-net->neutron migration. It looks like a dev vs. ops thing | 14:50 |
| ttx | where devs say, better to have cold migration than nothing | 14:50 |
| ttx | and (some) ops say we don't like tat as a solution | 14:50 |
| mestery | Yes, that one is concerning, as we thoughyt at the nova mid-cycle we had agreement | 14:50 |
| ttx | russellb summarized it well with the pony | 14:51 |
| mestery | Consider migration a "WIP" I guess right now, which I know isn't good | 14:51 |
| mestery | Yes :) | 14:51 |
| ttx | The other is the whole "where goes GBP" | 14:51 |
| ttx | Did you make progrss on that at the recent meeting? | 14:51 |
| russellb | i want a pony. | 14:52 |
| mestery | I think so, the bottom line is there is not enough consensus, and the incubator appears like a good place for things like this. | 14:52 |
| mestery | The incubator proposal has some issues, which we're working through. | 14:52 |
| ttx | russellb: I heard that two times today from my daughters already | 14:52 |
| russellb | nice! | 14:52 |
| mestery | russellb: Or a unicorn. Unicorns are nice too. :) | 14:52 |
| ttx | russellb: the problem being, I actually have enough room for two ponies or more | 14:52 |
| russellb | how about time to take care of them? | 14:53 |
| russellb | i want to visit your town :) | 14:53 |
| russellb | sounds peaceful. | 14:53 |
| ttx | russellb: that's the plan. | 14:53 |
| ttx | get me cloned so that I can actually take care of all the ponies. OpenStack and otherwise. | 14:53 |
| ttx | mestery: ok, so it's not stalled | 14:54 |
| mestery | ttx: The incubator appears to be the way forward here. | 14:54 |
| ttx | mestery: ok cool | 14:54 |
| ttx | mestery: anything you want to discuss at meeting today? | 14:55 |
| ttx | I don't see any obvious next step on the pny migration though | 14:55 |
| mestery | ttx: Maybe we can discuss when projects are opening Kilo specs? | 14:55 |
| mestery | I'd like to wait as long as possible | 14:55 |
| mestery | Given where we are in Juno. | 14:55 |
| mestery | I think mikal and I are in agreement there at least. | 14:55 |
| ttx | It's actually on the agenda already | 14:55 |
| mestery | ttx: Perfect. :) | 14:56 |
| ttx | mikal added it this morning | 14:56 |
| mestery | cool | 14:56 |
| ttx | ok, so let's discuss that today | 14:56 |
| mestery | Thanks! | 14:56 |
| ttx | mestery: talk to you later then | 14:56 |
| mestery | ttx: ack, later! | 14:56 |
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| notmyname | ttx: hello | 15:30 |
| ttx | notmyname: o/ | 15:30 |
| ttx | #topic Swift | 15:30 |
| ttx | Getting close to that "end of august" deadline | 15:31 |
| notmyname | hmm...I just sent an email to openstack-dev and it was help for moderation | 15:31 |
| ttx | notmyname: yeah, it hits a too many recipioent limit, I moderated it through | 15:32 |
| notmyname | ah ok | 15:32 |
| ttx | not your fault, the original mail had the same issue | 15:32 |
| notmyname | oh ok | 15:32 |
| ttx | it's lie he copied 20 people on it | 15:32 |
| ttx | like* | 15:32 |
| notmyname | so, for an end-of-august release. I'll be looking at that this week | 15:33 |
| ttx | ok, so we should know nect week? | 15:34 |
| ttx | next* | 15:34 |
| notmyname | yes. well, I think it's pretty easy to say we can have one. there's several nice little things. but by next week I can give a better idea of a date and what's in it | 15:35 |
| ttx | #info more info next week on potential end-of-august intermediary swift release | 15:35 |
| ttx | notmyname: anything you want to discuss at meeting today? | 15:36 |
| notmyname | ttx: no. I'm working on the gap stuff still. | 15:36 |
| ttx | ack | 15:37 |
| ttx | OK, well I guess we'll have more to talk about next week once you know what you want to do for the intermediary release | 15:37 |
| ttx | Anything else you wanted to mention here? | 15:38 |
| notmyname | ..thinking... | 15:38 |
| notmyname | no | 15:38 |
| ttx | ok then, talk to you later | 15:38 |
| ttx | zaneb: o/ | 15:47 |
| zaneb | o/ | 15:47 |
| ttx | #topic Heat | 15:47 |
| zaneb | is it Tuesday already? | 15:47 |
| ttx | and it's 6pm already | 15:48 |
| ttx | :) | 15:48 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/juno-3 | 15:48 |
| ttx | #info 1 implemented, 5 under review, 4 in progress, 1 blocked | 15:48 |
| zaneb | happily, I did actually update this during the week :) | 15:49 |
| ttx | It looks like you'e a bit behind, but with a reasonable amount of targets | 15:49 |
| ttx | so by next week we should see how crazy that was | 15:50 |
| zaneb | yeah, there will be a lot of reviews to do | 15:50 |
| zaneb | but I think most of these are in reasonable shape | 15:50 |
| ttx | zaneb: i don't remember, do you plan to enfore a feature proposal freeze next week? | 15:50 |
| ttx | enforce* | 15:50 |
| zaneb | yes | 15:51 |
| ttx | like deferring to kilo anything that's not code proposed by next Thursday ? ok | 15:51 |
| zaneb | I prefer 'observe' ;) | 15:51 |
| ttx | That should clarify a lot | 15:51 |
| ttx | observe. /me adds to vacabulary | 15:51 |
| ttx | Looking at high prio stuff... | 15:52 |
| ttx | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/update-failure-recovery | 15:52 |
| ttx | How many more reviews do you expect on that one ? | 15:52 |
| ttx | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/update-failure-recovery,n,z is all merged | 15:52 |
| zaneb | it's actually pretty close, even though I only posted the last lot of patches on Friday | 15:52 |
| ttx | ok, so it's in good shape | 15:53 |
| zaneb | in the process of rejiggering the queue now, because it had what turned out to be an urgent bug fix right in the middle :D | 15:53 |
| ttx | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/encrypt-hidden-parameters is missing the spec approval? | 15:53 |
| ttx | or is blocked for other reasons? | 15:53 |
| ttx | Oh, and who is working on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/stack-display-fields ? | 15:54 |
| ttx | (missing an assignee) | 15:54 |
| zaneb | basically it needs to take into account the update-failure-recovery stuff, which adds more things to the DB | 15:55 |
| zaneb | so I WIP'd the review and set the bp to blocked until such time as we have a plan for how to do that | 15:55 |
| ttx | ok | 15:55 |
| zaneb | that may be the wrong state for the bp, actually | 15:55 |
| zaneb | it's not a major concern | 15:56 |
| zaneb | it may well get bumped; last time I looked it was missing things like key rotation | 15:56 |
| ttx | ok, will probably be late by next week | 15:57 |
| ttx | zaneb: any topic you want to discuss at the cross-project meetign today? | 15:57 |
| zaneb | not that I can recall :) | 15:57 |
| ttx | ok then, talk to you later! | 15:58 |
| zaneb | thanks o/ | 15:58 |
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| ttx | no Nikhil, no markwash | 16:05 |
| ttx | jgriffith: you can go now if you're around | 16:06 |
| arnaud | ttx, markwash is out one more week afaik | 16:06 |
| ttx | arnaud: are you standing in for him? | 16:06 |
| arnaud | yep | 16:06 |
| ttx | oh, ok | 16:06 |
| ttx | #topic Glance | 16:06 |
| ttx | let's do this then | 16:06 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/juno-3 | 16:07 |
| ttx | #info 1 under review, 2 in progress | 16:07 |
| ttx | That's little progress, as far as blueprint status is concerned, compared to previous weeks | 16:07 |
| ttx | arnaud: Still feeling like you can get all those merged before feature freeze ? | 16:07 |
| arnaud | yes. but actually, this page doesn't contain the main item that we would like to see merged: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/glance-specs/specs/juno/metadata-schema-catalog.html | 16:08 |
| ttx | hah! Is there a blueprint forr that that we could add to the list? | 16:09 |
| ttx | doesn't look like there is | 16:10 |
| arnaud | I thought there was some kind of script that would automatically create the LP bp when the spec is approved.. | 16:10 |
| arnaud | I might be wrong | 16:10 |
| ttx | unfortunately not :) | 16:10 |
| ttx | There is as cript you can manually run to set the fields right | 16:10 |
| ttx | but you just can't create a blueprint using LP API (don't ask) | 16:10 |
| arnaud | ok | 16:11 |
| arnaud | will create the bp in LP then | 16:11 |
| ttx | ok, ping me when done, I'll adjust the fields for you | 16:11 |
| arnaud | ok sure | 16:11 |
| ttx | you're not in glance-drivers so you actually can't set the prio that will make it stick | 16:12 |
| arnaud | I am in glance-drivers | 16:12 |
| ttx | cool | 16:12 |
| ttx | hmm... | 16:12 |
| ttx | https://launchpad.net/~glance-drivers/+members | 16:12 |
| arnaud | oh right | 16:12 |
| arnaud | I am in gerrit | 16:12 |
| ttx | you're in glance-core, probably | 16:12 |
| arnaud | I will ask rosmaita, that's not a problem | 16:12 |
| ttx | bah, let me add you | 16:13 |
| ttx | you being here makes you qualified :) | 16:13 |
| arnaud | :) sweet | 16:13 |
| ttx | just let mark know at some point :) | 16:13 |
| ttx | so yeah, add anything that's missing to the j3 list | 16:14 |
| arnaud | let me check | 16:14 |
| ttx | you should be able to set all fields. Just don't forget to set a priority | 16:14 |
| arnaud | ok | 16:14 |
| ttx | unprioritized blueprints fall off the list automatically | 16:14 |
| ttx | (so that people don't add crap to the list) | 16:14 |
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| arnaud | there might be the artifacts (part 1), but I feel that's not gonna make it | 16:15 |
| ttx | arnaud: anythign else you wanted to mention ? Anything you'd like to see discussed at the cross-project meeting later today ? | 16:15 |
| arnaud | I will double check with ativelkov for the status later today | 16:15 |
| SlickNik | o/ | 16:15 |
| ttx | arnaud: ok, if nothing else... talk to you later! | 16:16 |
| ttx | #topic Trove | 16:16 |
| arnaud | sure thanks ttx | 16:16 |
| ttx | SlickNik: o/ | 16:16 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/trove/+milestone/juno-3 | 16:16 |
| ttx | #info 7 under review, 6 in progress, 1 not started | 16:17 |
| SlickNik | Yup, lots in review. | 16:17 |
| ttx | ok, so that was cleaned up alright | 16:17 |
| ttx | but yes, a bit behind | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | ttx: bahh... | 16:17 |
| SlickNik | ttx: Also, I was out of the office end of last week, so I intend to do some more triage / cleanup this week. | 16:18 |
| ttx | need to start converting those "under review" into nice green implemented | 16:18 |
| SlickNik | Yup — working on it. | 16:18 |
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| SlickNik | You should see (hopefully) more than a couple turn green by next week's status. | 16:19 |
| SlickNik | Plus my focus on moving away from rdjenkins is now in gear. | 16:19 |
| ttx | SlickNik: do you plan to observe a feature proposal freeze next week and drop everything that's not proposed yet? | 16:19 |
| ttx | or be a bit more flexible? | 16:19 |
| SlickNik | ttx: we plan to observe it. But might make an exception in a couple of cases (depending on importance) | 16:20 |
| ttx | looking at your "high" item | 16:20 |
| ttx | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/+spec/replication-v1 | 16:20 |
| ttx | "good progress" | 16:20 |
| ttx | feeling confident on that one? Looks like a lot of reviews | 16:21 |
| SlickNik | I'm very confident on that one. There's a good effort to get that reviewed and merged by multiple stakeholders (RAX, HP, Tesora) | 16:22 |
| ttx | ok, great | 16:22 |
| ttx | SlickNik: anything to add to meeting agenda for today? | 16:22 |
| ttx | #info Will observe a FPF, probably with a couple exceptions | 16:23 |
| SlickNik | ttx: not anything else. | 16:24 |
| SlickNik | that's all I had. | 16:24 |
| SlickNik | Thanks! | 16:24 |
| ttx | SlickNik: ok then. talk to you later, and thanks for coming | 16:24 |
| ttx | That concludes our syncs... We skipped Cinder today since they are in the middle of their meetup | 16:24 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 16:24 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 12 16:24:54 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:24 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ptl_sync/2014/ptl_sync.2014-08-12-08.03.html | 16:24 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ptl_sync/2014/ptl_sync.2014-08-12-08.03.txt | 16:24 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ptl_sync/2014/ptl_sync.2014-08-12-08.03.log.html | 16:24 |
| ttx | Thanks everyone! | 16:25 |
| SlickNik | Thanks ttx | 16:25 |
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