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| mikal | ttx: we're doing a 1:1 in ten? | 07:51 |
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| ttx | yes | 07:52 |
| mikal | Cool | 07:52 |
| ttx | grabbing coffee, back in 2 | 08:00 |
| mikal | Sure, works for me | 08:01 |
| ttx | ack | 08:04 |
| ttx | #startmeeting ptl_sync | 08:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 5 08:04:31 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:04 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ptl_sync' | 08:04 |
| ttx | #info Today we'll only do Nova, which we missed last week | 08:04 |
| ttx | #topic Nova | 08:04 |
| ttx | mikal: ready? | 08:04 |
| ttx | You're back home? | 08:05 |
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| ttx | johnthetubaguy: o/ | 08:05 |
| ttx | mikal, johnthetubaguy: how did the sprint last week go? | 08:05 |
| mikal | Heya | 08:06 |
| mikal | I thought the sprint went really well | 08:06 |
| mikal | We got through heaps of stuff | 08:06 |
| * mikal finds the etherpad | 08:06 | |
| mikal | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-nova-mid-cycle-meetup | 08:07 |
| ttx | great | 08:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, had some good discussions | 08:07 |
| ttx | lots of stuff covered I see | 08:07 |
| ttx | OK, juno-" now | 08:07 |
| ttx | juno-3 | 08:07 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/juno-3 | 08:08 |
| ttx | You have 72 blueprints targeted at this point | 08:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, we agreed to start punting some blueprints without code | 08:08 |
| mikal | So, I think there are still some spec freezae excceptions I haven't nacked | 08:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | because we ain't merging 72 blueprints | 08:08 |
| mikal | But I should get to those ASAP | 08:08 |
| ttx | Feature proposal Freeze is August 21, so in a bit more than two weeks | 08:08 |
| mikal | I agree that we're going to need to be a bit brutal | 08:08 |
| ttx | Then juno-3 feature freeze is in 4 weeks | 08:09 |
| ttx | The trick is really to get stuff out of the way ASAP | 08:09 |
| ttx | that's the only way to avoid critical congestion | 08:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, will reduce the priority of blueprints that are not started, and start making rude comments, and punting big blueprints that clearly have no code, at least thats my plan | 08:09 |
| ttx | otherwise everything is "almost ready" at the end | 08:09 |
| mikal | Works for me | 08:10 |
| ttx | So review priority is a bit of a combination between feature priority and how close it is from completion | 08:10 |
| ttx | the latter being sometimes a lot harder to determine from data | 08:10 |
| mikal | We've also talked about tweaking our meetings to help here | 08:11 |
| mikal | From subteam status focused | 08:11 |
| mikal | To what needs review to get stuff in for juno-3 | 08:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I guess I have the first meeting using that format? | 08:11 |
| mikal | johnthetubaguy: yes, you're the lucky winner | 08:11 |
| ttx | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/multiple-if-1-net has no assignee | 08:12 |
| mikal | Hmmm, an NFV one | 08:12 |
| ttx | There are also 6 with "unknown" status, which you should set to "Not started" or whatever | 08:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98488/ | 08:13 |
| mikal | ijw-ubuntu is the spec author of the multiple if one | 08:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | it has code, buy yeah, I need to dig into all of those | 08:13 |
| ttx | But yes, I think focusing meetings on getting stuff final-approved should help | 08:14 |
| mikal | Yep | 08:14 |
| ttx | anything that merges now won't have to merge in 4 weeks | 08:14 |
| ttx | when it will be a lot less fun to go in gate | 08:14 |
| mikal | I feel like we're still feeling our way with specs and how it impacts the world | 08:14 |
| mikal | But getting closer | 08:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, would be great to front load this, but the reality is that all the reviewers are busy getting their code up at this point | 08:15 |
| ttx | At 72 blueprints you need to complete 18 per week ;) | 08:15 |
| mikal | We can do it! | 08:15 |
| mikal | Not | 08:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | so more than juno-1 and juno-2 put together, per week | 08:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm | 08:16 |
| ttx | so realistically you know you probably won't get a lot more than 40 | 08:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | right | 08:16 |
| ttx | the trick being to identify which of those 72 are in the 40 | 08:16 |
| ttx | because identifying the 40 early really helps :) | 08:16 |
| mikal | There are a lot in "needs code review" | 08:17 |
| mikal | Possibly close to 40 | 08:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | honestly, the medium and high that are in "needs code review" are the ones I really care about at this point, but yeah, need to chase the others | 08:17 |
| mikal | (I haven't counted) | 08:17 |
| ttx | So this is also about calling contributors to be honest and realistic, and have them defer anything that can wait | 08:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | 29, but yeah | 08:17 |
| mikal | Agreed | 08:18 |
| mikal | I think we're on the same page here to be honest | 08:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: +1 and not making people waste time with putting up patches that we will never have time to review | 08:18 |
| mikal | We just need to keep reviewers pulling in approximately the same direction | 08:18 |
| ttx | yes, because if the effort spreads across the whole 72, you will likely only get a handful merged | 08:19 |
| ttx | and 68 of them will be 90-99% there | 08:19 |
| mikal | IIRC, we also talked about a weekly email to -core | 08:19 |
| mikal | Which might help | 08:19 |
| ttx | which is what we want to avoid | 08:19 |
| mikal | We just need to actually do it | 08:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | we are talking about having a top 10 blueprint list, so we should discuss that in the meeting | 08:19 |
| mikal | Do we feel like enough cores come to the meeting? | 08:19 |
| mikal | Would an email catch cores who don't? | 08:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | mikal: not really, as some are not in that timezone, will have to mail everyone too | 08:20 |
| mikal | Yeah | 08:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | I kinda want all reviews with the same focus, core or not | 08:20 |
| mikal | I think I agree | 08:20 |
| ttx | you could also have two cores sign up for every day between now and j3 | 08:20 |
| ttx | and have them work as a team to speed-approve stuff | 08:20 |
| mikal | johnthetubaguy: that email could go to -dev, I'd be fine with that | 08:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | mikal: yeah, thats what I was meaning | 08:20 |
| mikal | Out of interest... | 08:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: thats not a bad plan, we used to have that | 08:21 |
| mikal | I don't think any of the specs granted a freeze exception landed | 08:21 |
| ttx | doesn't work "all the time", but could work for the next 4 weeks | 08:21 |
| mikal | Did we learn spec freeze exceptions are a waste of time? | 08:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | mikal: we landed two I think | 08:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | mikal: not 100% sure though, maybe it was one, I can't remember now | 08:21 |
| mikal | Yeah, its all a jet laggy blur for me at the moment | 08:21 |
| ttx | mikal: the issue is that there are tactical contributors which will ask for an exception no matter what, even if they know in their hearts there is no way that feature will be there | 08:22 |
| mikal | Heh | 08:22 |
| mikal | I can think of one of those | 08:22 |
| ttx | if everyone was just realistic and had the project's interest in mind | 08:22 |
| ttx | that would be more usefu | 08:22 |
| ttx | l | 08:22 |
| mikal | Well, there are also people who only care about their thing | 08:22 |
| mikal | I find when I say to people that they should review other stuff to help their stuff land | 08:22 |
| mikal | That they often looka t me funny | 08:23 |
| mikal | Cause they really don't care about OpenStack | 08:23 |
| mikal | Just landing their thing | 08:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, we do also need to be better about "resolving conflict" on key specs earlier | 08:23 |
| ttx | we did a review day for stable to unblock a month-worth of review pileup on stable/icehouse | 08:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | some stuff we need, but can't agree the direction | 08:23 |
| ttx | granted those are easier to review | 08:23 |
| mikal | ttx: I feel like stable is a distro thing | 08:23 |
| mikal | Which I think that thread agreed on | 08:23 |
| ttx | but in one day we ended up doing more than in the month before | 08:24 |
| ttx | just by being two of us focusedd on the same reviews | 08:24 |
| mikal | Yep | 08:24 |
| ttx | mikal: sure, I was just advocating for the "two core per day" thing | 08:24 |
| mikal | I agree review days are a good idea | 08:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | we had that with specs on the spec review day, it did work | 08:24 |
| mikal | I think too many "days" tires people though | 08:24 |
| mikal | So we do need to be careful | 08:24 |
| ttx | yes, it's not a magic bullet | 08:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | its just I don't know I can sign up to any full days of reviews right now, just pulled in too many directions at this second in time | 08:25 |
| ttx | it's just that having two cores work on the same reviews at the same time is sometimes more efficient than having them work independetly | 08:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | but we can try it, for sure | 08:25 |
| mikal | I agree we should try it | 08:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | (re)try it I supose | 08:26 |
| ttx | how much do you use the channel to ask for that last +2/APRV review ? | 08:26 |
| mikal | Not much in my timezone | 08:26 |
| mikal | ;) | 08:26 |
| ttx | heh | 08:26 |
| ttx | because sometimes you push a +2 and you're pretty sure it just needs another formal +2, the thing haveing been reviewed by others | 08:27 |
| ttx | and concerns addressed | 08:27 |
| mikal | I have a script which surfaces those fro me | 08:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | it does happen, but also, not so much till the US wakes up | 08:27 |
| mikal | So when I am not travelling I feel like they get pretty good attention | 08:27 |
| ttx | so signlling those (with an core email, in a meeting, with a ping on channel...) can work wonderz | 08:28 |
| mikal | Its interesting to me how every problem seems to be solved with better communication | 08:28 |
| mikal | So I agreee | 08:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, we need better tooling here, well people have it, just not in a way to share with everyone yet | 08:28 |
| mikal | A status email every couple of days is a good plan | 08:28 |
| mikal | johnthetubaguy: yeah | 08:28 |
| ttx | anyway, enough brainstorming | 08:28 |
| ttx | we'll see how much progress is made next week | 08:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 | 08:28 |
| mikal | johnthetubaguy: I fear being gamed if my algorithm is published | 08:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | mikal: right, thats another fun one, but if gaming you involves doing "good" things, then thats cool | 08:29 |
| ttx | #info today at 72 blueprints, 1 implemented, 29 under final review | 08:29 |
| ttx | We'll discuss nova-network vs. neutron, and migration/transition at the meeting today | 08:29 |
| ttx | well, tomorrow for mikal | 08:30 |
| mikal | Yep | 08:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | I will try go through the list and see how that goes | 08:30 |
| mikal | We did discuss that at the meetup | 08:30 |
| ttx | anythign else you'd like to push to the agenda? | 08:30 |
| mikal | Not that I can think of | 08:30 |
| ttx | ok then, I'll free you guys up | 08:30 |
| mikal | We have some ideas for specs in Kilo, but its premature and they're half baked at the moment | 08:30 |
| ttx | anything you wanted to ask/mention? | 08:31 |
| mikal | Not that I can think of | 08:31 |
| ttx | alrighty then | 08:31 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 08:32 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 5 08:32:00 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ptl_sync/2014/ptl_sync.2014-08-05-08.04.html | 08:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ptl_sync/2014/ptl_sync.2014-08-05-08.04.txt | 08:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ptl_sync/2014/ptl_sync.2014-08-05-08.04.log.html | 08:32 |
| mikal | ttx: thanks for your time | 08:32 |
| ttx | Thanks guys | 08:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, next week I am on holiday | 08:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | but, I am back the following week | 08:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | (can't choose when these music festivals are) | 08:33 |
| mikal | johnthetubaguy: have fun, hopefully you're going somewhere nice | 08:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | devon, so not far, but its nice enough :) | 08:33 |
| mikal | Is that where processed meat comes from? | 08:34 |
| mikal | (Devon is a processed meat here, not sure if it is in the UK) | 08:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, wondered what you meant, not heard of it | 08:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, we should probably catch up in #openstack-nova | 08:35 |
| mikal | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devon_(sausage) | 08:35 |
| mikal | But yes, happy to chat in -nova | 08:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | hehe, nice | 08:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh… SPAM | 08:36 |
| ttx | russellb, mestery: reminder: we'll talk about Nova/Neutron migration and other Neutron gaps at the cross-project meeting today at 21:00 -- your presence welcome | 09:42 |
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| mestery | ttx: Sounds good! | 12:38 |
| russellb | ACK sounds good | 12:52 |
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| mestery | ttx russellb: I'm actually going to be out of hte office today, so markmcclain is going to cover the migration things at the cross-project today for me. | 13:28 |
| russellb | mestery: OK ... i'm definitely interested to hear clarification of what i read in the neutron meeting log | 13:29 |
| russellb | mestery: migration plan: "not doing it", was what i read, but i'm sure there's more to it :) | 13:29 |
| mestery | russellb: Ack, markmcclain can cover that, it was all based on the nova mid-cycle last week. :) | 13:29 |
| mestery | russellb: Indeed there is. :) | 13:30 |
| mestery | russellb: OK, taking off for the day, feel free to ping me tomorrow if you want to chat more. Later! | 13:30 |
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| ttx | mordred, mikal: about HP TC members... they might not represent HP though. Can we get them whipped if they represent mordred | 21:09 |
| ttx | ? | 21:09 |
| mordred | ttx: ++ | 21:09 |
| ttx | mordred, mikal: note that the limit is "half or more" being affiliated | 21:12 |
| ttx | so you now have 5, and the hard limit is 6. | 21:16 |
| ttx | if you poach two more, one of them will have to resign from TC | 21:16 |
| ttx | and in elections, might get skipped in results | 21:16 |
| ttx | and also, public whipping++ | 21:17 |
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