Tuesday, 2014-02-25

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ttxmarkmcclain: o/13:06
markmcclainttx: ping13:06
markmcclainsorry.. didn't realize my client wasn't connected13:07
ttxhttps://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/icehouse-313:07
ttxWondering if we could consider https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/neutron-quota-extension complete13:08
ttxwith the merging of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69803/13:08
markmcclainyes… just changed to implemented13:08
ttxthe remaining bits (tempest, neutronclient) are a bit separate13:08
ttxsame for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-binding-profile13:09
ttxwith the merging of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73500/13:09
markmcclainoh cool that merged while I was asleep13:09
markmcclainfixed the status13:10
ttxok, so with those two in, we are at...13:10
ttxcome on magic script13:10
ttx22% done, 68% under review, 10% in progress, 0% not started13:10
ttx(considering >Low only)13:11
ttxso ideally you should be around 40% done13:11
markmcclainagreed13:11
markmcclainwe did a huge round of reviews the last few days13:11
ttxbut otherwise that looks good (less than 20% in progress)13:11
markmcclainsome of super close to merging13:11
ttxaand 0% not started13:11
markmcclainwe've been actively deferring items that weren't ready for review ontime13:12
ttxmarkmcclain: if there is anything you would consider a FFE for if it didn't make it this week, you should make sure it's set to "medium" prio or above13:12
ttx(ideally, "high")13:13
ttxthat will simplify tracking13:13
markmcclainthis is only item I've got on my short list for an FFE: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-deprecated-plugin-migration13:13
ttxok13:13
markmcclainwe've run into a problem with the service type framework13:13
markmcclaindepending on how we solve it13:13
markmcclainthe FFE list might grow 3-4 more13:14
ttxYour bug list is a bit huge, i expect we'll defer most of them next week13:14
ttxso it's a bit useless as a prioritization tool as-is13:14
ttxbut i don't have strong feelings about that13:14
markmcclainoutside of the critical/high items yes13:14
ttxhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1244255 -> incomplete, unassigned but still targeted ?13:15
ttxshould I just untarget it ?13:15
markmcclainhmmm.. actually it was an I-1 item13:16
markmcclainthat had a fix merged on Nov 1st13:16
ttxok, will adjust13:16
ttxmarkmcclain: that's all I had. Sent you an email last week about a number of security issues / needed reviews13:16
ttxwe could also use some progress there13:16
ttxor just designate folks for neutron-coresec and I'll bother them instead13:17
markmcclainwe've been working through those items too13:17
ttx(no detail over public channel)13:17
ttxok, anything you'd like to discuss at the meeting later ?13:17
markmcclainI know we've opened a few of the reports because they were known limitations13:17
markmcclainnothing new right now, I'll go back over the sec issue list13:18
ttxwe removed one of them, but the other still needs some in-bug review13:18
ttxdhellmann: around?13:18
dhellmannhi!13:18
ttxdhellmann: hola13:18
ttxhttps://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/icehouse-313:19
dhellmannI just moved a few more finished bugs into that list, so you may want to reload your page13:19
dhellmannI'll finish going through the list of "fix committed" bugs today13:19
ttxprogress in just on track13:19
dhellmannI do have a couple of questions13:20
ttx40% done13:20
dhellmannwe finished the code for the log message translation blueprint but need to change the catalog job, but we're very close to string freeze so maybe that is going to have to wait for juno?13:20
* ttx reads13:21
ttxyeah, that sounds like something you would rather want to push early in the cycle than late13:21
dhellmannright, ok, so is that "deferred" or do we call this one done and create a new blueprint for the rollout?13:21
ttxIIUC the oslo part is done, we need infra support for it ?13:22
dhellmannyeah, I was going to do that work but they have to merge it13:22
ttxbut infra support is deferred because we are nearing money time13:22
dhellmannheh13:22
ttxso i would consider the oslo part "implemented"13:22
ttx and try not to forget to push that on the infra side early in Juno13:23
dhellmannok, good, I'll create a new blueprint for juno for the remaining pieces then13:23
dhellmannyeah, definitely13:23
ttxdhellmann: what we raelly need here would be multiproject blueprints :)13:23
* ttx is getting excited again13:23
dhellmann+100013:23
ttxWill talk to you off-1:1 about a few things, since Oslo would benefit so much from smart project grouping13:24
ttxso yeah, I 'd amrk that one implemented13:24
dhellmanndone13:24
ttxhttps://launchpad.net/oslo.messaging/+milestone/icehouse-313:24
dhellmannand yes, I expect tracking changes in all of these libraries to be a mess if we don't have some nice relational views13:25
dhellmannwe still have a few up for review there, too13:25
ttxIs notification-subscriber-server likely to get merged in time ?13:25
dhellmannwe only have 2 commits, and one is in the "fake" driver, so I think we have a good chance13:26
ttxok13:26
dhellmannI'm going to review it today when I get to the office13:26
ttxanything you'd like us to discuss at the meeting later ?13:26
dhellmannno, I don't think so13:26
ttxok then. Talk to you later13:27
dhellmannthanks!13:27
ttxjd__: ready when you are13:29
jd__ttx: let's go13:29
ttxhttps://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/icehouse-313:30
ttxOn te bright side you don't have too much in review, and have a good finalization rate13:30
ttxBut way too much is still "in progress" and without final code proposed13:31
jd__agreed13:31
jd__now I'm thinking about dropping everything that is not (almost) in review13:31
ttxwhat's the main issue ? Would focusing the efforts help ? Or is that spread out across enough people anyway ?13:32
jd__I think most things that are not in review now won't be proposed soon now13:32
ttxjd__: The idea would be to finalize as much as you can. Better get a few of them to 100% rather than all of them at 98%13:32
jd__so it's better to delay them right now and focus on what's proposed13:32
ttxexactly13:33
jd__so I'm going to do that :)13:33
ttxOr give them until the end of the day to push code, defer after13:33
ttxsort of a Feature proposal freeze, one week later13:33
jd__yep13:34
ttxor just defer it and if something gets proposed, reconsider it13:34
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ttxjd__: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/sql-unit-tests-on-real-backend is marked essential though13:34
jd__ttx: yes, but it's not going to make it entirely13:34
jd__we did a lot of efforts and the blueprint has been partially implemented13:34
jd__but the main contributor disappeared13:34
ttxoh, ok. So it's already complete enough13:35
jd__yeah we had a lot of improvement13:35
ttxmore of a continuing effort13:35
jd__we'll continue and I'll reschedule for J13:35
ttxyeah, or split it and mark the icehouse part "implemented"13:35
jd__yeah – though as it's more QA than a feature I'm not worried it's not listed there13:36
ttxanything you'd ask FFE for ? Make sure that's prioritized above "Low" if any13:36
jd__I don't think so, but I'll double check13:37
ttxyou can use the future/ongoing milestone if that's a neverending effort13:37
jd__good idea13:37
ttxhttps://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/ongoing13:38
ttxOK, so we should be OK once you're done with the aggressive deferring13:38
ttxanything you'd like to discuss at meeting later ?13:38
jgriffithttx: when you're ready13:39
ttxjgriffith: finishing with jd, should take a minute13:39
jd__ttx: no, and I might be absent tonight13:40
ttxok, noted13:40
ttxjd__: thanks!13:40
jd__you're welcome :)13:40
ttxjgriffith: o/13:40
ttxhttps://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/icehouse-313:40
ttxjgriffith: a couple of undefined sneaked in13:41
ttxjgriffith: IIRC you participated in the Feature proposal freeze last week, but there are still a lot of blueprints which are not "needs code review" and still targeted13:43
ttxdo you have plans to clean them up ?13:43
ttxLooks like I lost jgriffith13:45
jgriffithttx: sorry13:45
jgriffithwas deep in thought13:46
ttxwelcome back13:46
jgriffith:)13:46
jgriffithLooking now13:46
ttxwill let you consume all my questions13:46
jgriffithYeah, two new ones13:47
jgriffithI'll get that sorted today13:47
jgriffithremove them13:47
ttxso, what about those blueprints which are not "needs code review" ? Does your "remove them" answer apply to that ?13:49
jgriffithttx: You and your difficult questions13:50
jgriffithThey're about out of time yes13:50
jgriffithI will cull again today13:50
jgriffithbut most of those people are making good progress13:51
jgriffithat least as of last check13:51
jgriffiththe only one who wasn't was me :)13:51
ttxjgriffith: the trick is, will they propose code early enough to let you review and merge ? With the expected end of week bottlenecks ?13:51
ttxOnly one week left.13:51
jgriffithttx: so the word I've given everybody is that tomorrow is the day to have code in gerrit13:52
ttxok13:52
jgriffithIf you have no code by then you're too late13:52
jgriffithIMO13:52
ttxAnything you'd consider a FFE for ?13:52
ttxIf yes, maybe promote it to "High"13:52
jgriffithNOt really13:52
ttxgood!13:52
jgriffithThe only one is the filtering/weighing but there's pretty much zero chance that gets in13:53
ttxlast question would be.. any topic you want to add to the meeting's agenda ?13:53
jgriffithNo.... but I may ping you later if that changes13:53
ttxack13:54
ttxtalk to you later13:54
jgriffithttx: thanks13:54
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dolphmttx: o/15:00
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ttxdolphm: o/15:02
ttxhttps://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/icehouse-315:03
ttx76% done, 23% under review, 0% in progress, 0% not started15:03
ttxLooks good15:04
ttxYou have a couple of targeted-but-unassigned bugs15:04
ttxthat you might want to assign or untarget15:05
dolphmassigned one - there's already a WIP against it15:05
ttxdolphm: we discuss kite at the TC later, will you be around ?15:06
dolphmttx: yes15:06
ttxanything you'd grant a FFE for if it doesn't make it in this week ?15:06
dolphmttx: is the issue down to "integrated" vs "other" ?15:07
dolphmsaml-id is the only possible FFE i can foresee, but i don't think it's going to miss tuesday https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71353/15:07
ttxdolphm: not really. It can't be "integrated" for icehouse anyway15:07
ttxintegration needs a full cycle, even in the case of project splits where we fasttrack incubation15:08
ttxdolphm: my main question is what's the long-term plan with barbican vs. kite15:08
ttxbut we should discuss that at the TC, not now15:08
dolphmi'll rope in jraim as well then15:08
ttxyep, could be useful15:09
ttxAny topic you'd like to add to the cross-project meeting agenda ?15:09
dolphmi just want to be clear on the goal of the TC meeting today15:09
dolphmnope15:09
ttxFor precision on the goal, see my answer at http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2014-February/000540.html15:10
dolphmttx: ah, thanks15:10
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ttxi.e. we don't vet project additions, we can just object to some of them when we feel it oversteps the boundaries that were previously set15:11
ttxso we do not discuss them unless someone complains about them15:11
ttx(obviously we do vet them if you file for incubation/integration in the common release)15:12
ttxOh. Actually that's what you pushed there . Hm.15:13
dolphmttx: sort of - patchset 1 and 2 are different... i wasn't sure what the "correct" proposal was (i figured it would be integrated at some point, but wasn't sure where it should start)15:14
dolphmttx: afk for 15 min15:14
ttxack15:14
russellbttx: o/  nova ready whenever you are.  tjones and johnthetubaguy joining now too15:18
tjoneshi guys15:18
johnthetubaguyhi15:18
ttxhi!15:19
ttxsorry bit late15:19
tjonesno worries15:19
ttxhttps://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/icehouse-315:19
ttxnice cleanup15:19
ttxStill, 60 on the review pile15:20
russellbmerging what we can this week ...15:20
russellbguess we'll just do another mass deferral next week after freeze15:20
ttxJust looking at the >Low (and adding the implemented Lows) it looks quite good:15:20
ttx61% done, 34% under review, 3% in progress, 0% not started15:20
russellbcool15:20
ttxthe problem is that with so many Lows it doesn't make much sense as a metric15:21
russellbwe also seem to end up with a bunch of "mostly implemented" blueprints every cycle15:21
johnthetubaguyyeah, we must get better at the priorties15:21
johnthetubaguywe have a sort of plan to fix that now, at least15:21
ttxrussellb, johnthetubaguy: would be good to bump at least to Medium for those you MIGHT ask a FFE for15:21
russellbOK15:22
johnthetubaguythat seems like a top plan15:22
ttxand High/Essential for those you WILL ask a FFE for15:22
ttxthat's a way to differentiate, slightly better than "dare core signed up to review them"15:22
ttxare*15:22
johnthetubaguyyeah, I like that15:22
ttxshould help convey "this is actually likely to make it15:23
ttx'15:23
russellbjohnthetubaguy: sounds like a good goal for us this week, continue to tweak priorities using above criteria15:23
ttxalso will help in deferring a bunch if they don't make the cut15:23
johnthetubaguyrussellb: +115:23
ttxlike we can assume the Low ones will get deferred if they don't make the cut15:23
johnthetubaguyttx: makes total sense, thanks15:24
johnthetubaguyI like that15:24
ttxrussellb: are you planning some special happening to get as many of those in as you can this week ?15:24
russellbnothing special15:24
ttxbecause the other way to look at it it to push those that are 99% there to 100%, regardless of prio15:25
russellbjohnthetubaguy: think a "review blueprint code" day makes any sense?15:25
johnthetubaguyrussellb: maybe, if people do it, worth a try15:26
russellbjohnthetubaguy: i mean, in theory everyone is doing that anyway ...15:26
johnthetubaguyright15:26
ttxrussellb: are those mostly blocked on the reviewer effort, or on developer feedback ?15:26
russellbmaybe i should just email nova-core a reminder about the freeze15:26
ttxrussellb: +115:26
russellbsome of both, but mostly reviewer effort15:26
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russellbi think15:26
ttxrussellb: yes. a Review moneytime email15:27
johnthetubaguyyeah, I nudge should help15:27
johnthetubaguyonce we have the priorities updated15:27
russellbok, i'll send a nudge15:27
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johnthetubaguywell, once we get the list in order I guess?15:28
russellbtjones: and after next week focus is all bugs :)15:28
russellbmostly anyway15:28
johnthetubaguyrussellb: true15:28
tjonesthat's right15:28
russellbjohnthetubaguy: sure, we can do a first pass today15:28
ttxtjones: yes, after feature freeze we basically build a list of release-blocking bugs15:28
johnthetubaguyrussellb: +115:28
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tjonesthat's why i want to get the untriaged ones done asap15:28
russellbjohnthetubaguy: but want to send the nudge soon15:28
ttxand we issue RC1 when we are done with them15:28
ttxtjones: so having a general idea of where the critical issues are is a good thing15:29
ttxrussellb: anything you'd like to disucss at meeting later ?15:29
russellbdon't think so15:29
ttxrussellb: V2/V3 sounds a bit Nova-centric15:29
russellbyes15:30
russellbmostly anyway15:30
ttxother projects don't have the exact same issue15:30
russellbthough there are some other examples ... glance v1/v2, keystone v2/v3 ...15:30
russellbbut don't think we need to talk about it15:30
ttxI tried to summarize the dilemma in my small contribution to that thread15:30
russellbttx: yes, was a very good summary15:30
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russellbttx: it's a really tough situation15:31
ttxrussellb: i think we need a bit more analysis of how we could live forever with V215:31
ttxbecause if you dump V3, it's not to do a new V3 tomorrow15:31
russellbyeah, perhaps that'd be a good strawman ... a more concrete proposal for "v2 forever"15:31
russellbthat people can poke holes in]15:31
ttxyes, I thiunk it boils down to: can we live with V2 forever. If not, what shall we dop to V3 to ensure we can live with it together (and bite the maintenance bullet)15:32
ttxerrr15:32
ttxs/together/forever/15:32
* russellb nods15:34
russellbwill keep pushing this15:34
ttxanyway, off-topic15:34
ttxdavid-lyle: around ?15:34
russellbthanks ttx johnthetubaguy tjones !15:34
david_lyle_o/15:34
johnthetubaguyrussellb: np15:34
ttxin three different avatars I see15:34
ttxshould be thrice as fast15:34
tjonesrussellb: talk to u later15:34
russellbdavid-lyle: david_lyle david_lyle_ wow15:34
ttxrussellb, johnthetubaguy, tjones: thx!15:35
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johnthetubaguyttx: thanks, catch you next week, if not before15:35
ttxhttps://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/icehouse-315:35
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ttxnow that's confusing15:35
russellbhttp://wiki.znc.in/ZNC  :-)15:35
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ttxdavid*_*lyle*: prefill-create-a-new-volume-device-size-min-requirements looks implemenetd to me15:36
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ttxwith the merging of https://review.openstack.org/68381 ?15:36
david_lyle_ttx: yes merged recently15:37
ttxsame question for daily-usage-report with the merging of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/72783/15:37
david_lyle_that too just merged15:38
david_lyle_but yes done15:38
ttxok updated15:38
ttx42% done, 42% under review, 14% in progress, 0% not started15:39
ttxLooking on track, still needs lots of reviews this week15:39
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david_lyle_a lot of reviews needed, short on core reviewers15:40
david_lyle_and not a pool to draw from really15:40
ttxneutron-subnet-mode-support is marked Blocked15:40
ttxwant us to talk about it at meeting later ?15:40
ttxthe dependency on neutron/ipv6-two-attributes15:41
dklylesure15:41
ttxok15:41
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ttxYou may also want to aggressively defer the oens that don't have code proposed yet15:42
ttxunless you know that code is coming and the review is pretty basic15:42
ttx(and can be coimpleted in the remaining 7 days)15:42
david-lylecouple are basic and one is a high want15:42
ttxAnything you'd ask a FFE for if they fail to make it in time ?15:43
david-lyleso to be clear March 5 is the deadline to merge bps correct?15:43
ttx(if yes, consider moving them to High)15:43
ttxEOB March 415:43
david-lylethe ipv6 may be FFE material15:43
david-lyleimport feature to neutron, but is landing late15:43
ttxOK, I'll bump it to High15:43
david-lylewe have a patch ready15:44
david-lyleThe other FFE possibility may be Django 1.6 support15:45
ttxdavid-lyle: ok15:45
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ttxdavid-lyle: depending on how far you are, right15:45
david-lylereally should be in Icehouse release, it's close, but will require a django_openstack_auth release and a change to openstack/requirements15:45
ttxbumping to High too15:45
david-lylegood15:46
ttxOK, on the bugs side, you have a number of unassigned bugs15:46
ttxhmm, I should create the -rc1 milestones so that we can start assigning stuff to those15:46
david-lyleyeah, those will need to bump15:47
ttxok, maybe wait a bit until I get the RC1 milestone up15:47
david-lylesure15:47
ttxshould be done in one hour15:47
david-lyleok15:47
ttxfinal question: any agenda addition for the meeting later ?15:47
ttxI already added the Blocked bp15:48
david-lyleno, I think that's it15:48
ttxok then, talk to you later15:50
david-lylettx: thanks15:50
ttxdavid-lyle: ok done: https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/icehouse-rc115:56
david-lyleI'll start moving bugs then15:56
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ttxmarkwash: o/16:42
markwashttx: greetings16:42
ttxhttps://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/icehouse-316:42
ttxLooks pretty good16:43
markwashI think those "needs code review" can all land this week16:43
markwashhow's the gate looking from your perspective?16:43
ttxJust a bit concerning that the "High" prio ones seem to be the most in jeopardy16:43
ttxand depending on the same person16:44
markwashyes16:44
ttxmarkwash: gate looks good so far, 1h20 queue at peak of Tuesday16:44
ttxI expect that to grow as we near the end of week though16:44
ttxso as always, review early, merge early16:45
markwashyup!16:45
ttxneutron and nova have tons of patches16:45
ttxthey might just end up approving them, one never knows :)16:45
markwashhaha16:45
markwashI've been a bit distracted with day job stuff lately, but I'll make a pass through today16:46
markwashshould get us on track for landing early this week16:46
ttxmarkwash: I assume that you won't file FFEs for the "Low" stuff if it misses the mark16:46
markwashnope16:46
ttxif there is anything you WILL ask for FFE for, you can bump them to High16:47
* markwash nods16:47
ttxOK, that's about all I had for you16:47
ttxAny agenda addition for the meeting ?16:47
markwashthanks for commenting on the Murano proposal16:47
markwashno16:48
markwashI suppose I should be filing the mission for glance/images right?16:48
markwashin openstack-governance16:48
ttxmarkwash: you should yes. That could help in the upcoming debate :)16:48
markwashputting it on my list. . if its on in the next 3 days, it can be part of next weeks tc meeting, right?16:49
ttxmarkwash: yes16:49
markwashokay cool16:49
ttxhmm16:50
ttxmarkwash: actually it's before EOB Wednesday16:50
markwashso today would be great :-)16:50
ttxotherwise it misses the '4 business days of open discussion' criteria16:51
markwashshouldn't be *too* hard for this first operation16:51
markwashI suspect the revision to it will be more work16:51
ttxright16:51
ttxmarkwash: ok, talk to you later!16:51
markwashhave a nice evening16:52
ttxhub_cap: ready when you are16:52
ttxhub_cap: o/17:02
ttxhub_cap: I'll soon need to go, so I'll just dump my remarks/questions here17:09
ttxGood progress on the features.17:10
ttxI assume that those "Low" ones, if they miss the target date, will just get deferred to Juno17:10
ttxYou have a number of unassigned bugs. You could push them back to icehouse-rc1 if they don't have an assignee but you find them release-critical17:11
ttxLet me know if you have topics you would like to see discussed at meeting later17:11
ttxhub_cap: If there is anything you will likely ask an exception for if they don't make it in time, they should probably get bumped to "High" level if they aren't already17:12
ttxhub_cap: that's all. Feel free to answer those asynchronously, will catch up in a couple of hours17:13
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hub_caphey ttx im here, ill catch up17:52
hub_capLow will likley miss the date, and ill punt. god my internet connection sucks17:52
hub_capsry, im in a new timezone and its killin me17:53
hub_capill triage bugs by COB today17:53
hub_capim good for topics... the last few wks have been a cluster****17:56
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stevebakerttx: \o19:14
ttxstevebaker: o/19:31
stevebaker\o19:32
ttxhttps://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/icehouse-319:32
ttxyou have one untriaged blueprint in19:32
ttxhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/glance-parameter-constraint19:32
ttx44% done, 37% under review, 17% in progress, 0% not started19:33
ttxso you're on track19:33
stevebakerttx: fixed that one19:33
ttxjust need to keep on the review effort19:34
stevebakerttx: my gut tells me we'll be asking for some extensions19:34
ttxand get more code proposed19:34
ttxAre all of those exception candidates rated "High" ?19:34
stevebakerttx: yes19:34
ttxok19:35
ttxFor the bugs you can start deferring to icehouse-rc1 where you feel it won't be done in time for i-319:35
stevebakerok19:35
ttxThat's all I had. Anything you'd liek to nadd to the meetign agenda ?19:35
ttxhah19:35
ttx...like to add to the meeting...19:35
ttxdon't drink while typing19:36
ttxstevebaker: last question -- https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/flavor-parameter-constraint is marked implemented but without a milestone set. Should I retroactively add it to i-3 ?19:37
stevebakerI'll check with shardy, but there may be an issue with the keystone policy used in the devstack gate19:37
ttxstevebaker: ok, just raise it in meeting if you need to19:37
stevebakerttx: fixed19:37
ttxok then. Talk to you later19:37
stevebakerok, l8er19:37
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