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| ttx | o/ | 15:59 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting releaseteam | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 5 16:00:21 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Ping list: ttx armstrong diablo_rojo, diablo_rojo_phon | 16:00 |
| hberaud | o/ | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ussuri-relmgt-tracking Tracking etherpad | 16:00 |
| *** ykarel|afk is now known as ykarel|away | 16:01 | |
| ttx | down to ~100 | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | We are down to line 100. | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | ;) | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | #topic Review this weeks tasks | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review this weeks tasks (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 16:01 | |
| smcginnis | I tried to run some scripts last night to get the cycle-trailing status. | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | I don't think we've created a nice easy tool for getting that, unless I've missed it. | 16:02 |
| ttx | it's surprisingly nontrivial | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | I actually can't recall what we've done in the past. | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, that's what I found. | 16:02 |
| ttx | Maybe just a thread to ask each for their status | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | I tweaked some existing tools, and if I believe the results, most cycle-trailing have not released anything yet. | 16:02 |
| ttx | would be simpler | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | That's kind of where I was leaning. | 16:03 |
| diablo_rojo | o/ | 16:03 |
| ttx | Like "Trani cycle-trailing deliverables status, tagging each team that has one | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | Probably separately from the countdown email for visibility. | 16:03 |
| * diablo_rojo has split focus between tc/election discussions and the meeting | 16:03 | |
| ttx | Train | 16:03 |
| ttx | smcginnis: ++ | 16:03 |
| ttx | you take it? | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | We've really relaxed the timeline on trailing projects. | 16:03 |
| ttx | sure, but that serves as a mild reminder | 16:03 |
| ttx | and also helps in our data collection | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | So I'm actually not too concerned about strictly enforcing they get something out right away. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | Since some are definitely needing more time than others. | 16:04 |
| ttx | yeah, not about enforcement really | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | But we also want to track some of that to make sure we aren't carrying along a deliverables that are not really alive anymore. | 16:04 |
| ttx | It's more "so... where are you at?" | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | #action smcginnis to send out cycle-trailing reminder for train | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | Next task - countdown email prep | 16:05 |
| * smcginnis pulls up etherpad | 16:05 | |
| ttx | It's up | 16:05 |
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| ttx | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/relmgmt-weekly-emails | 16:06 |
| ttx | around line 33 | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | I looked at the old version - this looks great! | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | I can get that sent out later today. | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | If anyone else has any updates or changes, just let me know and update the etherpad. | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | #topic tempestconf not owned by any project | 16:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "tempestconf not owned by any project (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 16:07 | |
| smcginnis | Wasn't there a sig that that falls under now? | 16:08 |
| ttx | yes there is... but so far we have kept teh line at only project teams | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | Hmm, true. | 16:08 |
| ttx | release managament team handles releasing for project teams | 16:08 |
| ttx | That is why we proposed for example to move os-win to oslo, if winstackers becomes a SIG | 16:09 |
| ttx | In that case it's clearly not a part of openstack | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | I wonder if we can make that an honorary QA team deliverable since it's close to tempest. | 16:09 |
| ttx | It's a tool used to help assess its interoperability | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | And they can just delegate decisions for it to the SIG. | 16:09 |
| ttx | yeah, it's arguably a tempest connector | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | We can see if gmann is open to that idea. | 16:10 |
| ttx | We could also have a list of things we continue to release, or just ask then to tag it | 16:10 |
| ttx | those are the three options | 16:10 |
| ttx | them* | 16:10 |
| ttx | I feel like we can release this one while we decide :) | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | I think my preference would be to have another official team own it, even if they delegate authority on it. | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | We can have an exception list, but I'd rather not go there. Could be a slippery slope. | 16:11 |
| ttx | yeah, or playing favorites | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | But having that SIG tag it themselves is an option, just not sure we want to make them deal with that. | 16:11 |
| ttx | I would not mind that much handling the release process | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | Especially knowing the state of that sig. | 16:11 |
| ttx | but it's published on releases.openstack.org as a part of openstack itself | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | I am totally fine just releasing it for now while we figure out the right way forward. | 16:12 |
| ttx | which is in theory the realm of project teams | 16:12 |
| ttx | smcginnis: I guess we could have a repo or a folder in release automation for things that we release and do not end in releases.o.o | 16:12 |
| ttx | but yes, slippery slope | 16:12 |
| ttx | OK, how about... | 16:13 |
| ttx | we revisit that once we do aclmanager at milestone-1 and compare the list of things we do release vs. the things we have under governance | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | That works for me. | 16:14 |
| ttx | so that we have the discussion of what we manage vs. what we don't with all the data | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | In the meantime, we can raise the issue with QA and see if they are willing to just take it on. | 16:14 |
| ttx | I'll make a note | 16:14 |
| evrardjp | thanks tempestconf basically! | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | #action team to follow up on python-tempestconf ownership after reviewing aclmanager results | 16:15 |
| evrardjp | (sorry just catching up) | 16:16 |
| ttx | ok added to next week tasks. Will do | 16:16 |
| ttx | I think I have a script to do that | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | evrardjp: I'm going to move on, but feel free to bring up anything on things we've gone over | 16:16 |
| ttx | and if that seems useful I'll post it and add it to PROCESS | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | #topic Stuck reviews | 16:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stuck reviews (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 16:17 | |
| ttx | Not urgent | 16:17 |
| gmann | ttx: smcginnis i understand the current situation but it actually does not fall under QA missions. we discussed this many time within team also. | 16:17 |
| ttx | gmann: fair enough, just checking :) | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | gmann: OK. I was hoping QA could just be the nominal owner of it, but still have the WG do the reviews and have core rights. | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | But we can see if it can be handled a different way. | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | OK, stuck reviews... | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | #link https://tiny.cc/ReleaseInbox | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | ttx: Were there specific ones you wanted to discuss? Tooling? | 16:19 |
| ttx | looking | 16:19 |
| ttx | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/696095/ is easy enough | 16:19 |
| ttx | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/697329/ too | 16:19 |
| diablo_rojo | I've done a few reviews in the last couple weeks (not as many as I should), but it will get better going forward | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | Yep, I will approve after the meeting. | 16:20 |
| * diablo_rojo will review the second link today | 16:20 | |
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| ttx | i thought https://review.opendev.org/#/c/695457/ was ready but missed hberaud's comment on it | 16:20 |
| * hberaud take a look | 16:21 | |
| ttx | FTR it's ok to -1 my patches, that way I spot issues faster | 16:21 |
| evrardjp | ttx: ha, I thought I pinged you on that, sorry | 16:21 |
| ttx | hberaud: I think you caught an issue around oslo.utils -> oslo-utils | 16:21 |
| hberaud | ttx: maybe | 16:22 |
| * ttx looks deeper | 16:22 | |
| hberaud | not sure to see why it's happen | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | Oh, that could be it. | 16:23 |
| ttx | hmm weird | 16:23 |
| ttx | ok anyway, not ready | 16:23 |
| ttx | won;t debug it in-meeting | 16:23 |
| hberaud | :) | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | Any other reviews to highlight? | 16:24 |
| ttx | os.path.basename(deliv_file).split('.')[0] | 16:24 |
| ttx | that probably does not love multiple dots | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | Yeah... | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | os.path.splitext is probably what you want. | 16:25 |
| ttx | I'll blame whoever I copy-pasted that one from | 16:25 |
| ttx | which is really why I copypaste everything | 16:26 |
| hberaud | lol | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | #topic Timing of Extended Maintenance transition | 16:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Timing of Extended Maintenance transition (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 16:26 | |
| ttx | splitext, where have you been all this time | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | I just thought this would be a good one to talk through and get ideas or at least others thinking about it. | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | While I was working on the queens EM transition, I got a little worried we might run into a problem. | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | We had several teams rushing to do a final release of committed changes. | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | Which resulted in both libs and services releasing at the same time, then immediately going into a state where they can't do further releases. | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | So I was just concerned that one of those lib releases could have unintended side effects that end up breaking a service, but then not being able to do anything to fix that. | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | Which is why in current cycles we have the transitional deadlines at the end. | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | Maybe not really an issue. | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | I mean, ideally, nothing should be backported that could destabilize things really, but it just got me a little concerned and wondering if we should phase it like the currect cycel. | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | *cycle | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | And have libs, then clients, then services transition to EM. | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | But I also think that may be more work than is necessary, so I'm a little reluctant to actual push for that idea. | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | So... any thoughts? | 16:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Bharat Kunwar proposed openstack/releases master: Release magnum 7.2.0 (rocky) https://review.opendev.org/697514 | 16:30 |
| ttx | yeah, simultaneous rush at the end of a very calm/sable period is not great | 16:31 |
| ttx | stable | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | Ideally too, teams shouldn't be waiting for that point to rush out a final release, but we know how that goes. :) | 16:31 |
| evrardjp | yeah | 16:31 |
| ttx | I think it points more to an issue of the branch not being really maintained until you say let's em it | 16:31 |
| ttx | so rather than put in place a complex process to phase libraries first… | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | We had talked in the past about automatically proposing stable releases regularly. I think our tooling is close to make that fairly easy. Maybe if we start doing that, then we would avoid this situation. | 16:32 |
| ttx | I'd try to weave some reminder to do stable releases in the usual cycle | 16:32 |
| ttx | Like the one I added on R-18 this cycle | 16:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Bharat Kunwar proposed openstack/releases master: Release magnum 8.2.0 (stein) https://review.opendev.org/697515 | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | OK, we'll see if that helps. | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | We can revisit later. I just wanted to raise the issue so everyone was aware of it and could be thinking about it. | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | #topic Review next week tasks | 16:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review next week tasks (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 16:35 | |
| smcginnis | Already up on milestone 1. | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | Looks like ttx and I are both travelling early in the week. | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | I will be distracted, but I think I should be around from time to time. | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | Biggest issue is the auto-releases. | 16:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack/releases master: Introduce tool to check PTL/liaison approval https://review.opendev.org/695457 | 16:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack/releases master: Enable check-approval in experimental pipeline https://review.opendev.org/696095 | 16:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed openstack/releases master: [DNM] Test check_approval job on fake release https://review.opendev.org/696104 | 16:36 |
| ttx | Yes I can cover the rest | 16:36 |
| ttx | But we need someone to do the autorelease stuff | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: I think you've done at least one of those before. Would you be willing to take on that one? | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | I'll put diablo_rojo down for that task. We can revisit if we need to. :) | 16:38 |
| ttx | I'll let you shoot it out | 16:38 |
| * diablo_rojo isn't sure what she just got signed up for but can probably figure it out. | 16:39 | |
| smcginnis | OK, then ttx has the governance/ACL checks. So we should be set. | 16:39 |
| ttx | FWIW I started preparing the tasks/meetings/weeklyemails from now to ussuri-2 | 16:39 |
| * diablo_rojo was still trying to wrap up TC/election things | 16:39 | |
| * diablo_rojo is catching up | 16:39 | |
| ttx | With lots of email and meeting skips | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | Thanks for doing that. | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | #topic AOB | 16:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "AOB (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 16:40 | |
| smcginnis | Anything else to discuss? | 16:40 |
| ttx | If there are things you do that are not listed but should probably be added to the PROCESS so that we make sure to cover them next time, please retroactively add them | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 16:41 |
| ttx | I'll post a process patch for what we did around ussuri-1 the week after it's done | 16:41 |
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| ttx | Nothing else from me | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | Thanks for doing that. I think the process doc is in really good shape to make it easy for someone new to step in and know exactly what to do. | 16:41 |
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| smcginnis | Anywhere we can add tools/scripts for any of the steps helps too. | 16:42 |
| evrardjp | yup, totally improved | 16:42 |
| evrardjp | I sure hope ppl realise that this team is awesome, so that they should get involved :) | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | Alright, if no one has anything else, I think we can wrap it up. | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:42 |
| fungi | following up on the python-tempestconf situation, yeah this was originally brought up with the qa team in advance of disbanding the refstack team (and even earlier still, when tempestconf was conceived, before it wound up shoved into the refstack team as a fallback) | 16:42 |
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| ttx | My main gripe is that for some weird reason I can't easily copypaste from webpage to etherpad | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | I always have issues pasting into etherpads. | 16:43 |
| fungi | it tries to preserve formatting, and generally does a terrible job of it, yes | 16:43 |
| ttx | I guess i should copypaste from the process rst file | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | I recently discovered hackmd. | 16:43 |
| ttx | sounds like a collkid thing | 16:43 |
| ttx | coolkid | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | Totally. It even has a .io domain name. | 16:44 |
| ttx | "Transcend beyond space and time" | 16:44 |
| fungi | there's nothing like an indian ocean territory domain to show your support of imperialist hegemony | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | fungi: Were there any discussion in the past about having that deliverable owned by a team under governance? | 16:44 |
| evrardjp | ? | 16:45 |
| fungi | smcginnis: it used to be owned by a team under governance | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, just wondering if it was discussed once that team was disbanded. | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | Or punted like we are doing now. ;) | 16:45 |
| fungi | the folks writing tempestconf wanted to maintain it in collaboration/as part of qa but were told "no thanks" but since it was a dependency of refstack the refstack team offered to give it a home | 16:46 |
| ttx | I just switched my web searches to DuckDuckGo, already wondering why anyone uses Google | 16:46 |
| fungi | and then when we wound down the refstack team the tempestconf authors approached the qa team again about moving it there and were told "no thanks" | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | ttx: So Google can remind me later that I want to buy things. :D | 16:46 |
| fungi | so it ended up reassigned to the interop wg | 16:46 |
| clarkb | google does produce better results in some cases (and you can ask ddg to query google for you) | 16:46 |
| evrardjp | I am using duckduckgo for ages ... :) At some point I was having dual ddg/startpage | 16:47 |
| evrardjp | ddg is far better now | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | OK, the meeting has obviously devolved. Thanks everyone! | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 5 16:48:35 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2019/releaseteam.2019-12-05-16.00.html | 16:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2019/releaseteam.2019-12-05-16.00.txt | 16:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2019/releaseteam.2019-12-05-16.00.log.html | 16:48 |
| ttx | clarkb: how? | 16:49 |
| tosky | oh, thanks for the tempestconf issue - sorry, the administrative part fell a bit under the radar | 16:49 |
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| diablo_rojo | Thanks smcginnis! | 16:50 |
| ttx | ah !google foo | 16:51 |
| clarkb | ttx: I think !google prefix on seaech | 16:51 |
| fungi | evrardjp: i too rely exclusively on ddg for web searching | 16:52 |
| ttx | ahah I just types !google boo and I love the associated searches | 16:52 |
| clarkb | in particular I find google hasindexed openstack things like our wiki, gerrit and docs better than ddg | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | Handy | 16:54 |
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| ttx | I now know everything about animal meme celebrities | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | Hah | 16:55 |
| ttx | clarkb: sounds like we need to develop a !openstack bang | 16:56 |
| ttx | there is one for Terraform Openstack Resource Docs | 16:57 |
| ttx | !tfopr | 16:57 |
| openstack | ttx: Error: "tfopr" is not a valid command. | 16:57 |
| clarkb | huh | 16:57 |
| ttx | the irony is not lost on me, openstack | 16:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Update python-tempestconf to 2.4.0 https://review.opendev.org/697308 | 17:03 |
| smcginnis | ttx: Did you try adding through https://duckduckgo.com/newbang | 17:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean McGinnis proposed openstack/releases master: Add command to list cycle-trailing to process https://review.opendev.org/697528 | 17:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Oslo releases for 2019-12-02 https://review.opendev.org/696942 | 17:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: RC3 OpenStack-Ansible Train https://review.opendev.org/697274 | 17:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Release OpenStack-Ansible Stein https://review.opendev.org/697273 | 17:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Release OpenStack-Ansible Rocky https://review.opendev.org/697272 | 17:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Release sushy-tools 0.8.0 https://review.opendev.org/697290 | 17:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean McGinnis proposed openstack/releases master: Drop TripleO-UI deliverable placeholders https://review.opendev.org/697542 | 18:01 |
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