Thursday, 2019-04-18

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dhellmanntonyb[m] : ugh, they're checking their AUTHORS file in?00:46
dhellmannwe probably want a "git reset HEAD -- ." in there before each hash checkout00:47
dhellmannit at least looks like they're not doing it on master00:48
dhellmannah, pike00:49
dhellmanntonyb[m] : maybe after the sdist build step we want to do the reset?00:51
dhellmannhttp://logs.openstack.org/54/652854/2/check/openstack-tox-validate/5bab7e7/job-output.txt.gz#_2019-04-17_05_24_09_48949400:51
dhellmannalthough it looks like their description is broken, too, so you could just delete the authors file in the patch that fixes that00:52
dhellmannhttp://logs.openstack.org/54/652854/2/check/openstack-tox-validate/5bab7e7/job-output.txt.gz#_2019-04-17_05_24_28_09264500:52
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tonyb[m]dhellmann: Thanks04:36
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openstackgerritTony Breeds proposed openstack/releases master: Add a 'generic' release-type.  https://review.openstack.org/65328305:29
openstackgerritTony Breeds proposed openstack/releases master: Switch monasca-thresh to the new 'generic' release-type  https://review.openstack.org/65328405:29
openstackgerritTony Breeds proposed openstack/releases master: [monasca] final releases for pike  https://review.openstack.org/65285405:29
openstackgerritTony Breeds proposed openstack/releases master: [monasca] create pike-em tag against final releases  https://review.openstack.org/65285505:29
openstackgerritTony Breeds proposed openstack/releases master: Before we checkout a ref try resetting the workdir to HEAD  https://review.openstack.org/65366105:29
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openstackgerritzhurong proposed openstack/releases master: [murano] create pike-em tag against final releases  https://review.openstack.org/65286506:30
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openstackgerritlicanwei proposed openstack/releases master: [watcher] create pike-em tag against final releases  https://review.openstack.org/65285907:08
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ttxPlace we went to with dhellmann and Anne was Acorn (http://www.denveracorn.com/)08:07
ttxSuperMegaBien was high on my list of places to try though. It's a tad hard because they don't take reservations08:08
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openstackgerritDoug Szumski proposed openstack/releases master: Release python-monascaclient 1.15.0  https://review.openstack.org/65368908:32
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openstackgerritThierry Carrez proposed openstack/releases master: [list_changes] Handle non-numeric tags  https://review.openstack.org/65318108:55
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases master: Fix release-note parsing of deliverable files  https://review.openstack.org/65303609:21
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases master: Fix the branch point for mistral-lib  https://review.openstack.org/65328709:32
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openstackgerritTom Barron proposed openstack/releases master: Release python-manilaclient 1.21.2 off of stable/queens  https://review.openstack.org/65371310:30
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dhellmannI wonder if The Plimoth was on some other list of places I thought of going. I had it starred on the map already for some reason12:52
dhellmannttx: oh, I think diablo_rojo_phon wasn't with us at Acorn? that was just the 3 of us, wasn't it? good end of the week meai12:53
dhellmanner, meal12:53
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ttxYeah Plimoth was on our list. And yes maybe we were just 3 at Acorn14:12
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EmilienMgood morning folks14:27
EmilienMif someone can review tripleo branching patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/652758/14:27
EmilienMthanks14:27
smcginnisLooking now14:28
EmilienMw00t14:28
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smcginnisEmilienM: "Remove Congress" shouldn't be a major version bump?14:30
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EmilienMsmcginnis: I don't have strong opinion here14:32
smcginnisEmilienM: OK, just wanted to confirm. If you don't think that was an oversight, that's fine with me since I don't really know how that actually impacts things. :)14:33
EmilienMsmcginnis: it impacts nothing since nobody deployed congress with tripleo AFIK14:34
EmilienMand we are removing things not used as we don't have time to maintain it14:34
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smcginnisPerfect, thanks EmilienM!14:35
openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases master: TripleO stein RC1 release + branching  https://review.openstack.org/65275814:48
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smcginnisEmilienM: Just posted a failure from puppet-tripleo to the ML.15:16
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EmilienMsmcginnis: looking asap15:23
openstackgerritBen Nemec proposed openstack/releases master: Add Oslo feature freeze to Train schedule  https://review.openstack.org/65379315:23
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EmilienMsmcginnis: thx for the help and again sorry for the mess last week15:31
smcginnisEmilienM: No worries. We sorted it out and got things right for Train. ;)15:32
mtreinishIt looks like the release emails to the release-announce list all have '.' for the project name15:35
smcginnisHmmm. Thanks mtreinish, I did recently make a change there. Hadn't noticed that yet.15:37
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openstackgerritBen Nemec proposed openstack/releases master: Add Oslo feature freeze to Train schedule  https://review.openstack.org/65379315:42
smcginnisdhellmann: Got a moment? I'm not seeing what I did in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/653036/1/openstack_releases/release_notes.py that is causing http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/release-announce/2019-April/007007.html15:50
dhellmannI'll take a look15:51
smcginnisThanks. Hoping a different set of eyes will see something obvious,15:51
smcginnisWorked fine in the context of list-changes: http://logs.openstack.org/58/652758/4/check/releases-tox-list-changes/c5f5c63/job-output.txt.gz#_2019-04-17_23_42_35_18114015:52
smcginnisStill failed to parse the deliverable file though, which was the whole point of the change. Maybe I should just revert.15:53
dhellmannI'm going to have to get lunch before I can concentrate on that, but I wonder how different the context of announce.sh and list-changes are?15:53
dhellmannlike are they run from the same directory? I think announce.sh was run from the repo being tagged15:54
smcginnisThere are some minor differences in what they pass in.15:54
smcginnisI'll put up a revert. If you see an easy fix, we can do that. Otherwise we can just revert and go back to being no worse than we were so we get annoucement emails back right.15:55
EmilienMsmcginnis: mwhahaha got the puppet-tripleo issues :-)15:57
smcginnisGreat!15:58
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openstackgerritSean McGinnis proposed openstack/releases master: Fix announce email project names  https://review.openstack.org/65381016:34
smcginnisdhellmann: Think I've got it. ^16:34
dhellmannah, yeah, that looks like it might help16:39
openstackgerritSean McGinnis proposed openstack/releases master: Fix announce email project names  https://review.openstack.org/65381016:44
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openstackgerritJulia Kreger proposed openstack/releases master: Release python-ironicclient 2.6.2 and 2.7.1  https://review.openstack.org/65382818:49
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* tonyb[m] waves ready for the meeting in ~5?18:56
smcginnisI had remembered to update my calendar. ;)18:56
ttxyep18:58
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tonyb[m]\o/18:58
diablo_rojoI love it when I get dropped from IRC and don't notice until my phone buzzes with notifications I should also be getting here.18:59
ttxtonyb[m]: hey mate18:59
diablo_rojoBut at least I figured it out in time.18:59
tonyb[m]ttx: I think you'll find it's g'day mate ;P19:00
tonyb[m]diablo_rojo: at least you worked it out :)19:00
tonyb[m]#startmeeting releaseteam19:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Apr 18 19:01:16 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is tonyb[m]. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam'19:01
smcginniso/19:01
ttxtonyb[m]: is it day yet?19:01
tonyb[m]aww man 76seconds late :(19:01
smcginnisMan, rough start. :P19:01
tonyb[m]ttx: ummm no19:02
ttxso no g'day19:02
tonyb[m]the sun *should* be up when we're done ;P19:02
tonyb[m]well it's early enough ... if I were out and someone siad g'day now it'd be fine19:03
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tonyb[m]so we don't have dhellmann or evrardjp but I think that's okay  we have logs and they could show up19:03
diablo_rojo_IRC hates me today19:04
diablo_rojo_I'll be here in one capacity or another19:04
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tonyb[m]So we have somewhat of an agenda19:04
tonyb[m]#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/train-relmgt-tracking19:04
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tonyb[m]Does the release days map look okay?19:05
tonyb[m]I just copied what we had for stein19:05
smcginnisI'm good with what is there, but also open to switching if anyone else prefers a different day.19:05
ttx++19:05
diablo_rojoWorks for me19:05
tonyb[m]okay19:06
smcginnisWe seem to have moved the meeting completely to the etherpad. :)19:08
tonyb[m]We had some rough spots this week with the ocata tagging timing out and manila and puppet-tripleo not going smoothly19:08
openstackgerritMerged openstack/releases master: Fix announce email project names  https://review.openstack.org/65381019:09
ttxThe only one that is unclear is the ensure-twine issue19:09
tonyb[m]ttx: true19:09
ttxWe should probably reenqueue this one19:09
ttxsince it seems random19:09
ttxand keep an eye on future fails19:10
smcginnisI do wonder if they have a job defined that somehow got us running within a venv.19:10
smcginnisReally odd random failure.19:10
ttxsmcginnis: reenqueuing should show whether it's really random19:10
smcginnisTrue. Then we can know if we need to start digging through the logs closely to see the sequence of events.19:11
ttxcan you work with fungi to get it reenqueued?19:11
smcginnisError: variable "you" undefined19:11
smcginnis:)19:11
tonyb[m]LOL19:11
ttxwell, it was defined on the previous line, you won't escape that easily19:12
ttxsean-you19:12
smcginnisContextual assignment. Variable out of scope.19:12
smcginnisI'll ping him in infra and see if anyone can pick that up.19:12
tonyb[m]smcginnis: Thanks19:13
ttxtonyb[m]: so... pike-em?19:13
tonyb[m]Yeah19:13
tonyb[m]I don't know how I feel about that one really19:13
ttxI did mark a bunch with +2 that should be ready to go19:13
tonyb[m]there's a lot of 'rot' in the repos a little more than I expected19:14
tonyb[m]ttx: thanks19:14
ttxbut yeah I agree it's a lot of churn for releasing "last" versions that nobody actually wants19:14
smcginnisProbably a sign that we should switch to EM as soon as possible before too much rot creeps in.19:14
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tonyb[m]smcginnis: Yeah I mostly have the patches live to do that19:15
ttxtonyb[m]: are they blocked by rot ? I assumed it was more of a difficult time getting PTLs to +119:15
tonyb[m]I think this is informative for queens19:15
tonyb[m]ttx: I have like 5? patches out there to fix things that need approval19:15
tonyb[m]one of them has a -1 from zuul which I'll need to fix of course19:16
tonyb[m]but like the python-aodhclient unit tests don't even work19:16
ttxoh, some are hitting teh infamous README check19:16
tonyb[m]so that'll be a long debug to fix19:17
tonyb[m]yeah a lot have the new readme check thing19:17
tonyb[m]some others have related things19:17
tonyb[m]I did need to add a new release-model for monasca and add a git reset in validate19:17
tonyb[m]let me find those those links19:18
smcginnisThe good thing with the README checks is they should have that fixed in later branches and just need a backport.19:18
ttxyes, ends up being much more work than expected19:18
ttxbut now that we started...19:18
ttxMaybe a good topic to discuss at PTG19:18
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tonyb[m]Yup.19:18
ttxadding19:18
tonyb[m]thanks19:18
smcginnisNot really sure we need those ones that only update the tox upper-constraint checks. That really only impacts running local tests. It doesn't really change any code.19:19
tonyb[m]smcginnis: True19:20
smcginnisWe could set a policy that EM transitions happen two weeks after a release so that it always lands at a decent point in the cycle.19:20
smcginnisBut we can talk more about that at the PTG.19:20
tonyb[m]smcginnis: did you jump ahead on the agenda ;P19:20
ttxFunny how at 9:30pm I just punt everything to PTG19:21
tonyb[m]smcginnis: I shoudl probbaly know this we do we alter (reduce) the validation checks for pike-em vs 'a new release on pike' ?19:22
tonyb[m]ttx: I think that's fair19:22
smcginnistonyb[m]: I did change some of the validation checks to not run against -em tagging.19:22
smcginnisThere were a lot that don't really matter for em and eol tags.19:22
tonyb[m]okay, so maybe be being altering what I consider functional change will reduce the amount of things we're blocked on19:24
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smcginnisIt did look like that would get rid of a bunch at least.19:24
smcginnisA lot just had the typical gitignore and u-c update patches.19:25
tonyb[m]We're going into a 4-day weekend so I'll look at that on (my) Tuesday19:25
smcginnisI hope to get to looking through some more later.19:26
tonyb[m]smcginnis: Thanks19:26
tonyb[m]just mark them as -1 'no functional change in deliverable foo' and I'll fix'em up next week19:27
dhellmannthe -em tags won't produce new pypi releases, so I agree we could just turn off a bunch of that validation19:27
tonyb[m]or maybe during the weekend19:27
tonyb[m]dhellmann: okay.19:28
smcginnisWe did merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/650466/19:29
smcginnisIf there's more we should skip, easy to add the decorator now.19:29
dhellmannthat readme validation seems like another candidate19:29
dhellmannoh, that's in there19:30
smcginnisIIRC, there's something outside of our validation job that might also check that.19:30
dhellmannmaybe we should just not bother to tag newer releases in cases where things aren't working19:30
smcginnis++19:30
tonyb[m]dhellmann: possibly, I was thinking that we'd just hit the same issues with the pike-em tag but that seems incorrect based on this discussion19:31
dhellmannyeah, there's a job on all python repos to test that separately to avoid it breaking, but if the branch is old and already broken and going to em then *shrug*19:31
dhellmannyeah, smcginnis' patch turns a lot of the validation off for those tags19:31
dhellmannwhich is fine, since they don't build releases19:31
tonyb[m]Yup19:32
tonyb[m]So I think where we're at is19:33
tonyb[m]1) (re) review each release for functional chnages and drop the ones that don't have any19:33
tonyb[m]2) drop any that are failing to validate?19:34
tonyb[m]3) tag pike-em19:34
tonyb[m]with typical time for PTLs to chime in19:34
dhellmannI think so19:35
smcginnisI like that plan.19:35
tonyb[m]okay19:36
dhellmannI may want to reverse my position from last week, as well, and say that we could just tag whatever the existing release is as the em19:36
diablo_rojoSounds solid to me19:36
dhellmannbecause I didn't anticipate so many of the projects needing releases, and being broken19:36
dhellmannand if that's the case, then it's really a sign that they went into em a long time ago and it just wasn't formally declared as such19:36
tonyb[m]yeah possibly19:37
smcginnisNow that we initiate more of the releases, maybe the release team should just automatically propose stable releases periodically to make sure some of these really old commits actually make it out in a release before this point.19:37
smcginnisIf we can automate sufficiently, we could say Monday's are the days were stable releases are approved, then later in the day (or tonyb[m]'s Tuesday morning) we can propose the next set of stable releases.19:38
tonyb[m]smcginnis: I'd have to think harder on that my initial reaction was 'I don't like that' which is likely based on emotion rather than anything technical19:39
ttxhow aboyut... we discuss that at the PTG19:39
tonyb[m]smcginnis: weekly may be too often, and yeah we'd a really good way of only generating valuable releases19:40
smcginnisI like where ttx's mind is today. :)19:40
* tonyb[m] would rename ttx to ptg-bot but that's already taken ;P19:40
tonyb[m]but yeah it's worth discussing in person19:40
ttxAdded to agenda19:41
diablo_rojoLol19:41
dhellmannwe're doing something similar for libraries, aren't we?19:41
smcginnisWeekly checks. Only if a project has something at that point, which should be much less frequent. Anyway...19:41
diablo_rojoWe are going to need more than a half a day before long19:41
ttxdhellmann: at milestones yes19:41
dhellmannso maybe that's often enough for stable branches, too?19:41
tonyb[m]diablo_rojo: probably :/19:42
smcginnisAnd a good point for folks to expect to look for those kinds of things.19:42
tonyb[m]I agree we want people looking at those things more often19:43
tonyb[m]okay19:44
tonyb[m]PTG19:45
ttxwoohoo19:45
smcginnisttx's favorite topic. :D19:45
tonyb[m]We're getting a reasonable list of things to talk about19:45
ttxTeam photo at 10am19:45
ttxTeam dinner... Thursday or Friday?19:45
diablo_rojo_phonThursday19:45
diablo_rojo_phonBefore games19:46
diablo_rojo_phonOr I guess Friday after the happy hour19:46
tonyb[m]I like Friday after happy hour19:46
ttxok. I posted a selection of restaurants. If we get to SuperMegaBien early we can get a table and leave early enough19:46
smcginnisThursday works for me, but Friday can too.19:46
ttxbut I added backup plans19:46
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ttxGames are starting... 9pm?19:46
diablo_rojo_phon8 I think19:47
ttxdo we have to be back there at 8?19:47
ttx8 makes it a bit short for some values of $food19:48
dhellmanndo we have times for the thing on friday?19:48
* ttx asks19:48
dhellmannwe should publicize that so folks hang around for it19:49
ttxhmm we thought of including it in the one-week-out PTG email19:49
ttxdo you think it's too late?19:49
tonyb[m]Yeah I only know it's a thing because of y'all discussing it in relation to dinner19:50
ttxFriday food'n drinks starts at 6pm19:50
dhellmannttx: well, this team is already making dinner plans and we have people who know about it. other teams are doing the same, but don't have the insiders.19:51
smcginnisSounds like Thursday would be best for us if happy hour starts at 6 on Friday.19:51
dhellmannyeah19:51
ttxdhellmann: fair, let me see if we can push that info ASAP19:52
cmurphy++19:52
tonyb[m]funny I was thinking to opposite ;p19:52
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dhellmanntonyb[m] : we're more likely to get in at supermegabien early on a thursday than late on a friday19:54
tonyb[m]okay19:54
ttxdhellmann: yes ithat is why I was sticking to Thursday19:54
dhellmannactually, more likely to get in anywhere at all19:54
dhellmanndenver's dining-out-on-a-friday scene is thriving19:54
ttxbut if we have to be back at 8 to kick off the games19:54
tonyb[m]who's organising games?19:55
smcginnisYou can be late. :]19:55
ttxdiablo_rojo19:55
ttxbut your call19:55
tonyb[m]diablo_rojo_phon: suggested dinner thursday before games too19:55
ttxerr19:55
tonyb[m]so petrhaps she doesn't need to be there rigth at 8?19:56
ttxLet's plan to hit the restaurant early19:56
ttxand it should just work19:56
tonyb[m]okay19:57
tonyb[m]I'll try to book19:57
dhellmannsuper mega bien doesn't take reservations19:57
ttx+ no need to book since the target place is not taking any19:57
tonyb[m]ok19:57
tonyb[m]that makes thing easy19:57
ttxdhellmann: yes, that's why I added backup plans19:57
dhellmannhence the list of fallbacks within a block or so :-)19:57
dhellmannjinx19:57
ttxthe other options are just the next block19:57
tonyb[m]It's like you've done this before ;P19:58
ttxi did all that while y'all were discussing -em19:58
ttxpriorities19:58
tonyb[m]ttx: nice!19:58
tonyb[m]okay last thing befoer I get a coffee19:58
tonyb[m]please look over the email's I've 'written' to make sure they're basically right19:59
smcginnistonyb[m]: I skimmed through and everything looked good.20:00
smcginnisWere you planning on directly contacting each PTL/liaison?20:00
tonyb[m]I assume I Cc all the PTLs on the 'communication expectations' email to check contact details in governance etc20:00
dhellmannyeah, that's what we've done in the past20:00
smcginnisI did that my first time around but dropped it. Partly because gmail wouldn't let me send to so many recipients, but also wasn't sure if it really made a difference.20:00
dhellmannI wanted to have 1 email I could point to to say "I told you I wasn't going to be contacting you directly for every little thing. Pay attention."20:01
smcginnisThat is useful.20:01
tonyb[m]I'll do that20:02
dhellmannyou could also point out to them that they can subscribe to the calendar so they see deadlines20:02
dhellmannhttps://releases.openstack.org/schedule.ics20:02
smcginnisOh yeah, that is a good one.20:02
dhellmannI'm not sure we've publicized that in a while20:02
tonyb[m]Yeah that's in the email I was going to copy20:03
dhellmanncool20:03
tonyb[m]but I could also add it to the weekly comms email20:03
smcginnisBoth might not hurt.20:03
dhellmannover communication ftw20:04
tonyb[m]okay cool20:04
tonyb[m]We're over time20:04
* tonyb[m] blames ttx for all the ptg discussion ;P20:04
tonyb[m]Thanks ttx for working late20:04
ttxnp20:05
tonyb[m]Thanks everyone else20:05
dhellmanno/20:05
ttxI can definitely participate, but generally don't have teh energy to help leading20:05
tonyb[m]#endmeeting20:05
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smcginnisSolum reenqueue worked.20:05
smcginnisSo no idea what happened with ensure-twine the first time around.20:05
tonyb[m]ttx: participating is the imprtant part20:05
tonyb[m]ttx: you can lead by adding stuff to the agenda if needed ;P20:06
tonyb[m]smcginnis: Yeah that's very strange20:06
smcginnisNoted on the etherpad in case we need to remember.20:07
tonyb[m]smcginnis: ++20:13
tonyb[m]okay #coffee_time20:13
tonyb[m](say it like MC Hammer)20:14
tonyb[m](too old?)20:14
smcginnishah20:17
smcginnisThen it should be: stop - #coffee_time20:18
* smcginnis chuckles at an image of tonyb[m] wearing MC Hammer pants20:18
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* fungi was at late lunch during the meeting, but has updated his reminders accordingly20:37
fungiand for all you know, i *could* be wearing hammer pants right now20:38
smcginnis:)20:40
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tonyb[m]:-)22:01
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