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| evrardjp | o/ | 15:56 |
| smcginnis | #startmeeting releaseteam | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 14 16:00:10 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Ping list: smcginnis ttx dhellmann diablo_rojo hberaud evrardjp fungi armstrong | 16:00 |
| hberaud | o/ | 16:00 |
| evrardjp | o/ | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stein-relmgt-tracking Agenda | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : I'm in a call but lurking. | 16:00 |
| fungi | ohai | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: ack | 16:00 |
| ttx | o/ | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | #topic Do we want to do the release 'manifest' | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Do we want to do the release 'manifest' (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 16:01 | |
| smcginnis | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-September/135088.html | 16:01 |
| ttx | right so originally we had that idea to reaffirm liaisons toward the end of the cycle | 16:01 |
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| ttx | but we haven't really been actively implementing that | 16:02 |
| ttx | I guess there is still time, but we need to start socializing that now-ish | 16:02 |
| ttx | thoughts? | 16:02 |
| ttx | (I kept it off the process change since I was not sure we'd do it for this cycle) | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | With the loss of enforcing 2 milestones, we do need some way to validate what will be in the coordinated release. | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | Did we ever figured out the specifics of how we would do that "manifest"? | 16:03 |
| ttx | I was thinking about a list of names and email addresses, keyed by project team | 16:03 |
| ttx | in deliverables/stein | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | manifest.yaml or similar? | 16:04 |
| * diablo_rojo waves | 16:04 | |
| ttx | yaml would likely break automation | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, just thinking we probably have too many places that glob on *.yaml | 16:04 |
| ttx | since we are expected to only have release files ni deliverables/*/*.yaml | 16:04 |
| evrardjp | sorry I am not really sure to understand the point of the manifest | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | So a manifest.txt where each team would need to add their acknowledgement that they plan to be part of the stein release? | 16:05 |
| ttx | but could just be manifest.txt or liaisons.txt | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | evrardjp: It's due to the changes with cycle-with-mielstones. | 16:05 |
| evrardjp | I see the email linked there | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | In the past, we had a requirement that projects needed to do at least two milestone releases. | 16:06 |
| evrardjp | I don't see the direct link between having a manifest file and activity/healthiness | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | That was used as an indicator to make sure they were active and were planning on being part of the coordinated release. | 16:06 |
| evrardjp | couldn't reviews be enough? | 16:06 |
| ttx | evrardjp: we'd ask those people to add themselves | 16:06 |
| ttx | so it's a commitment | 16:06 |
| ttx | in advance of actually requiring reviews | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | But not that we don't require milestones, the idea to make sure we had would be for them to explicitly acknowledge it by adding to a manifest. | 16:06 |
| ttx | (at which point it's too late) | 16:06 |
| evrardjp | ttx: what if projects don't write their names? | 16:07 |
| evrardjp | (sorry to play devil's advocate here) | 16:07 |
| evrardjp | for me releases should be helping projects, not putting burden on them with <insert new procedure> . I am just worried about the attention loss on that eventual file | 16:08 |
| evrardjp | but maybe I am a dreamer | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | I am a little concerned about having a new "you all must do this or else you are not included" requirement. | 16:08 |
| evrardjp | but the plan is the plan right now, sorry for that interruption -- please continue | 16:08 |
| evrardjp | smcginnis: I am glad I am not the only one :) | 16:09 |
| ttx | evrardjp: the manifest process, done early enough, gives us a chance to chase people down | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | It was a plan we talked about in Denver. I think it's a question now of whether it really is something we need and want to do. | 16:09 |
| ttx | It's extra painful to do that in the release weeks | 16:09 |
| evrardjp | can't we assume that if people have done an RC and branching, they are following our processes? | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | I guess the question (or a question) is if it is "early enough" now or if we've missed that window. | 16:10 |
| evrardjp | (that's the dreamer part) | 16:10 |
| ttx | yeah, we could also skip it this time and see how it goes | 16:10 |
| ttx | evrardjp: so most of the branching and RC is now automatic | 16:11 |
| evrardjp | yeah I meant a review on it | 16:11 |
| ttx | The big question is... is there anyone actually making sure that what we automatically ship is actually working | 16:11 |
| ttx | the manifest was a way to close that loophole | 16:11 |
| evrardjp | oh | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | I'm wondering if that might be better this first time around. I feel like we've been introducing a lot of new things for teams to have to be aware of that are really distractions from their main focus. I'd be concerned introducing another thing they have to keep track of doing might be pushing things. | 16:12 |
| ttx | if nobody abswers for a full month, let's not ship it at all | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | Honestly, I'm wondering now if it was really worth switching from the milestone model. | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | I would be very interested to hear feedback from teams on how they felt this has worked for them this cycle vs past ones. | 16:13 |
| evrardjp | that sounds like a good PTG topic | 16:13 |
| fungi | absoluetly | 16:13 |
| ttx | I there was certainly less boilerplate activity as a result | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | evrardjp: Good point. | 16:13 |
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| ttx | but maybe that removed a lot of responsibility as well | 16:14 |
| evrardjp | ttx: less work for teams is good | 16:14 |
| ttx | a good way to assess that is to run the stein process without the manifest | 16:14 |
| evrardjp | ttx: responsibilities don't have to be in code | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | Less boilerplate, but my project perspective is that milestone activity kind of helped to add a little sense of urgency to getting some things done in time where now it's kind of like "oh yeah, milestone-x was last week'/ | 16:14 |
| ttx | and see how screwed we end up | 16:14 |
| evrardjp | ttx: :) | 16:14 |
| evrardjp | smcginnis: I feel that too on my side of the pond | 16:15 |
| ttx | ok, so... no manifest, revisit in Denver | 16:16 |
| ttx | ? | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | Proposal then: no manifest this time around and we see how it goes. We try to do some sort of retrospective at the PTG to evaluate how things went on our end AND try to get PTLs and teams involved to give feedback on how it worked for them. | 16:16 |
| evrardjp | ttx: smcginnis +1 | 16:16 |
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| ttx | It's tricky because with less resources we want to avoid useless work... but at the same time with less activity people are more likely to be lulled into sleep in absence of forced milestones | 16:17 |
| diablo_rojo | Works for me | 16:17 |
| ttx | I still think it was the right move though. We just need to make extra release noise | 16:17 |
| evrardjp | ttx: you're right, and I think that should be into the elements of the PTG conversation | 16:17 |
| ttx | to wake people up | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | I think since it is mostly boilerplate, the amount of work is low versus the level of engagement it promotes. | 16:18 |
| evrardjp | ttx: I agree on the noise and communication | 16:18 |
| ttx | starting next week(s) with library stuff | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | But happy either way if we can get feedback that we are helping teams and not causing friction. | 16:18 |
| ttx | manifest is adding some bureaucratic procedure to make sure we actually have people caring. But we could also do that by making a lot of release noise | 16:18 |
| ttx | (our classic dilemma of getting acknowledgement for our messaging) | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | I wonder if we could do the two milestone thing by having them add to the manifest at T-1 and some sort of confirmation at T-2. | 16:19 |
| ttx | aka no way to put a big dialog box in front of all teams and know for sure | 16:20 |
| evrardjp | I think using noise would be good -- as we can use that to say "don't forget highlights " anyway | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | Less work than doing a milestone release but still something to trigger them to be aware of the release progress. | 16:20 |
| ttx | smcginnis: could be a way to do it | 16:20 |
| evrardjp | who said spam on the channels and ML? :p | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | Well, too late anyway at this point for something like that, so I think I like the plan to skip a manifest for now and reevaluate in Denver. | 16:21 |
| ttx | so with stein we've pushed the pendulum far in the "less of useless work" direction. For train we might need to get a bit more insurance | 16:21 |
| ttx | ok next topic | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | #topic Cycle-with-rc transitions in absence of PTL answer | 16:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cycle-with-rc transitions in absence of PTL answer (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 16:22 | |
| ttx | speaking of... | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | Looks like we have Watcher and Tacker still out there. | 16:22 |
| ttx | Tacker had some response | 16:22 |
| ttx | from not-the-PTL | 16:23 |
| ttx | maybe he's the manifest person | 16:23 |
| ttx | he is a tacker core | 16:24 |
| ttx | I'm fine with that as confirmation | 16:24 |
| evrardjp | he was manifesting his presence as liaison? | 16:24 |
| ttx | too soon? | 16:24 |
| evrardjp | too soon | 16:24 |
| evrardjp | :) | 16:24 |
| evrardjp | sorry, please continue. | 16:25 |
| ttx | So I'm fine with the confirmation we got on the TAcker one. More concerned with Watcher | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | I think we've published this as the plan. We've had the review out there for a week(ish) for feedback. I'm OK approving it without an official ack. | 16:25 |
| ttx | are those the only two left ? Not so bad I guess | 16:25 |
| ttx | oh we have a Watcher ack | 16:26 |
| ttx | 6 hours ago | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | Problem solved. | 16:26 |
| ttx | all is good | 16:26 |
| ttx | push the W+1 | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | Nothing to see here, move along. | 16:26 |
| ttx | oh I guess I will | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | Thanks :) | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | #topic puppet-aodh failure | 16:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "puppet-aodh failure (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 16:27 | |
| smcginnis | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-February/002694.html | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, weird. | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | It's gotta be some kind of test of a new release job or something. | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | fungi: Any insight on this one? | 16:27 |
| ttx | fungi: was there some infra re-enqueueing? | 16:27 |
| ttx | dhellmann: have you been sleepwalking again? | 16:28 |
| fungi | we're continuing to work through problems with the publication to puppetforge | 16:28 |
| fungi | so that same release has been retriggered several times over the past month | 16:28 |
| ttx | ok, so safe to ignore? | 16:28 |
| fungi | yeah, currently it seems to be failing on credentials, and i'm hoping to get time today to manually decrypt and compare them to make sure it's not an encoding issue | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | Problem solved again. :) | 16:29 |
| ttx | fungi: feel free to quick-respond to the thread on openstack-discuss to close it for reference | 16:29 |
| fungi | if only | 16:29 |
| fungi | will do | 16:29 |
| ttx | thanks! | 16:29 |
| fungi | once i climb out of today's meeting hole | 16:29 |
| ttx | we are killing it today | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | fungi: Well, our problem solved. Not yours. :D | 16:30 |
| fungi | heh ;) | 16:30 |
| ttx | smcginnis: maybe we should assign next week tasks ? | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | #topic Assigning tasks | 16:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Assigning tasks (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 16:30 | |
| ttx | (coincidentally i won't be around) | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | ttx: Are you snowboarding again?! | 16:30 |
| ttx | no, visiting NYC with family | 16:31 |
| ttx | so, yes. | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | Oh, fun. | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | Freeze reminder will be in my countdown email. | 16:31 |
| fungi | have fun. i enjoy manhattan immensely | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | I was surprised by how much I liked NYC. Actually didn't think I would. | 16:32 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, actually? Or is that sarcasm? lol | 16:32 |
| evrardjp | diablo_rojo: I was wondering the same :D | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | stable-maint groups is another one for the countdown email. | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | fungi: Do you want to take the task to notify infra to generate an artifact signing key? Or should someone else do that? | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | Not sure if that last one is an issue yet with our changes. | 16:34 |
| fungi | diablo_rojo: i genuinely enjoy manhattan | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | I suppose there are a few. | 16:34 |
| fungi | it's a fun town | 16:34 |
| fungi | smcginnis: i'll take it, yes | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | fungi: Thanks | 16:34 |
| fungi | (and probably just do it unless i get an eager volunteer) | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | ttx or dhellmann: Do either of you want to take checking on c-w-i projects that have not been released? | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | #delegation | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | Everyone's gone planning vacations now. :) | 16:36 |
| ttx | let me see | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | Doesn't have to be right now, but Monday I guess. | 16:37 |
| ttx | smcginnis: I feel like that would be a good exercise for our new recruits :) | 16:37 |
| ttx | an area they have not been touching on that much | 16:37 |
| ttx | #delegation | 16:38 |
| evrardjp | fair | 16:38 |
| diablo_rojo | What needs to be done? | 16:38 |
| ttx | diablo_rojo: it's described in PROCESS I think | 16:38 |
| diablo_rojo | Just go poke them and get them to do one if they haven't already? | 16:38 |
| diablo_rojo | Oh, convenient lol | 16:38 |
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| evrardjp | ttx: is it clearly defined in process page? | 16:38 |
| ttx | diablo_rojo: I think the idea is just to establish the list, for smcginnis to include in his weekly email | 16:38 |
| evrardjp | I guess diablo_rojo and I we can have a look at come back to you? | 16:39 |
| ttx | evrardjp: touché | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | Might be a good exercise to go through to find the script to run to get the list. | 16:39 |
| diablo_rojo | Making a list is definitely doable :) | 16:39 |
| diablo_rojo | I love lists. | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | evrardjp, diablo_rojo: Should I put your names on the task in the etherpad? | 16:39 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, sure! | 16:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Switch Watcher service to cycle-with-rc https://review.openstack.org/635662 | 16:40 |
| * diablo_rojo signs up evrardjp to do work with her :) | 16:40 | |
| smcginnis | evrardjp: OK with you? | 16:40 |
| evrardjp | ofc | 16:40 |
| evrardjp | after today though, it's a special day.... | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:40 |
| evrardjp | (birthday!) | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | It's technically a task for next week, so plenty of time? | 16:41 |
| evrardjp | (not mine) | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | Mine | 16:41 |
| evrardjp | yeah everything good | 16:41 |
| diablo_rojo | evrardjp, Cecile? | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | #topic Open discussion | 16:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 16:42 | |
| evrardjp | wow that's not for meetings! | 16:42 |
| evrardjp | let's discuss tomorrow diablo_rojo about your love of lists | 16:42 |
| evrardjp | and make that thing | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | Just wanted to point out to folks that I put up a proposed schedule for train | 16:42 |
| diablo_rojo | evrardjp, I'll bea headed to MN tomorrow, but in the morning before I head to the airport we can :) | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/636742/ | 16:42 |
| evrardjp | diablo_rojo: let's sync in a different chan :) | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | Update coming, but take a look and see if milestones land on any important dates or anything liek that. | 16:43 |
| diablo_rojo | evrardjp, sounds good :) | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | OK, anybody have anything else? | 16:45 |
| diablo_rojo | Don't think so. | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | Thanks everyone. | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Release Managers office - Come here to discuss how to release OpenStack components - Logged at http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-release/" | 16:45 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 14 16:45:58 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2019/releaseteam.2019-02-14-16.00.html | 16:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2019/releaseteam.2019-02-14-16.00.txt | 16:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2019/releaseteam.2019-02-14-16.00.log.html | 16:46 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks smcginnis! | 16:46 |
| ttx | thanks smcginnis | 16:46 |
| evrardjp | thanks indeed | 16:46 |
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| * dhellmann was less successful at paying attention that he hoped | 16:48 | |
| dhellmann | smcginnis, ttx: I thought we had a detailed plan worked out for handling liaison acks for the manifest, but now I don't remember it. Is it not in the PTG meeting notes? | 16:49 |
| dhellmann | add it to the series .rst file maybe? | 16:49 |
| ttx | dhellmann: we had that but did not really follow up on it | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: I think we had discussed some options, but I don't remember having a concrete plan. | 16:50 |
| dhellmann | ah, ok. I thought we'd worked it out, but maybe not | 16:51 |
| dhellmann | seems reasonable to revisit it at the next ptg | 16:51 |
| ttx | checking | 16:51 |
| ttx | "Before milestone 2: announce the "choose your model" moment at milestone-2 for intermediary things that haven't released yet + the final release liaison designation plan" | 16:52 |
| * diablo_rojo is excited to be in the release room at the PTG with all the cool kids | 16:52 | |
| ttx | team.yml file where each team needs to have one person add their name as the person responsible for completing that release | 16:52 |
| ttx | Can't add until around m-3, control/enforce by flag in schedule.yml | 16:52 |
| ttx | 2-3 weeks before RC deadline | 16:53 |
| ttx | Explain that the person is responsible for making sure we have a working deliverable by the end + cycle-hightlight collection | 16:53 |
| ttx | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/relmgt-stein-ptg | 16:53 |
| ttx | dhellmann: we did work it out after all | 16:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/releases master: Switch Tacker service to cycle-with-rc https://review.openstack.org/635660 | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | Huh, good thing for taking notes. | 16:55 |
| dhellmann | and having a vague memory | 16:59 |
| diablo_rojo | Those two things will get you very far in life I've found | 16:59 |
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