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| greghaynes | ^ \O/ fix merged | 02:22 |
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| samueldmq | ianw, the documentation change in stackrc you ask for at change #179663 | 02:57 |
| samueldmq | ianw, is the file at devstack/stackrc ? | 02:58 |
| samueldmq | ianw, or the one in devstack/doc/source/stackrc.rst ? | 02:58 |
| samueldmq | mtreinish, cc ^ | 02:58 |
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| ianw | samueldmq: i think it should be in devstack/stackrc, at a minimum | 03:21 |
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| samueldmq | ianw, cool, just added it ^ | 04:00 |
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| kiran-r | Hello, Can anybody help me with this issue? http://paste.openstack.org/show/215353/ I am getting ´subunit-2to1: command not found´ error | 06:45 |
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| kiran-r | yfried: Can you help me with this issue? http://paste.openstack.org/show/215353/ I am getting ´subunit-2to1: command not found´ error | 06:49 |
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| yfried | kiran-r: sorry, I use tox/testr to run tempest, I don't know if/how much the script is up to date. you should talk to dkranz or andreaf about this | 07:04 |
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| openstack | Launchpad bug 1384373 in OpenStack-Gate "fatal: Could not read from remote repository" [Medium,Triaged] - Assigned to Clark Boylan (cboylan) | 09:12 |
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| andreaf | kiran-r: you're running with -N, so no virtual env - and you don't seem to have any virtual env active - make sure you either use a virtual env or you install all dependencies on you system | 10:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Samuel de Medeiros Queiroz proposed openstack-dev/devstack: Honor the flag for Identity v3 API only jobs https://review.openstack.org/179663 | 11:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Rohan Kanade proposed openstack/tempest: Adds Database Instance API Tests https://review.openstack.org/180489 | 11:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Rohan Kanade proposed openstack/tempest: Adds Database Instance API Tests https://review.openstack.org/180489 | 11:10 |
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| samueldmq | morning | 11:33 |
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| sdague | cdent: I expect this to be an interesting email thread :) | 12:04 |
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| cdent | \o/ | 12:04 |
| sdague | I'm curious what you think about my last response | 12:04 |
| cdent | I thought about just letting it slide, but thought "I'm here becuse I do know some stuff, I ought to say something" | 12:05 |
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| cdent | It has not made it to me yet, slow internetz day. | 12:05 |
| sdague | ok | 12:09 |
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| sdague | my concern is that if an HTTP error code returned from OpenStack means > 1 thing, we've basically made it useless | 12:10 |
| sdague | 403 is suggested to mean "you don't own that resource" "you aren't allowed access to that end point" and "you are over quota" | 12:11 |
| cdent | so that's three things is that better or worse than 400 meaning 20 things? | 12:11 |
| sdague | you are over quota might actually be API recoverable. We have an API for it, and you could have permission to use it | 12:11 |
| sdague | I think it's way worse | 12:11 |
| sdague | because it means you should *always* ignore the error code | 12:11 |
| cdent | interesting | 12:12 |
| cdent | I'll have to read your message and give it some real thought | 12:12 |
| cdent | (it has finally arrived) | 12:12 |
| sdague | I'd like everything besides 400 to have very specific meaning, so you know what your action is | 12:12 |
| sdague | then only in the 400 case do you need to dig deeper | 12:12 |
| cdent | Hmmm. I get where you are coming from, but I still disagree. I'll have to think about it to come up with a better explanation other than: "Yeah, that just doesn't meld well with my experience on how to create http clients" | 12:14 |
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| cdent | It might be as simple as cognitive chunking, but that too is too grey. | 12:15 |
| cdent | I'll try to get something before the end of the day. Maybe someone else will beat me to it. | 12:15 |
| sdague | yep, no problem | 12:15 |
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| sdague | the reality is I've been in the middle of a bunch of api change reviews recently, and basically because the error codes are all overloaded most teams feel they can kind of randomly change them because the client can't count on them anyway | 12:16 |
| cdent | ah, yeah, well that's a whole 'nother kettle | 12:17 |
| sdague | so the fact is, if they are all overloaded, it's hard to make the case that their value is in any way important | 12:17 |
| sdague | because, they clearly aren't | 12:17 |
| cdent | the approach to http api change in openstack is so completely broken it's not even funny | 12:17 |
| cdent | and it has a lot to do with the frameworks being used | 12:17 |
| cdent | the cognitive model that is being used to support API development is fundamentally broken and I can't see any way clear of it because legacy™ | 12:18 |
| sdague | cdent: I'm curious why you think it's a framework problem | 12:18 |
| cdent | tight mapping between interior model of resources and exterior model | 12:19 |
| cdent | so something like pecan, which uses object-dispatch, encourages that | 12:19 |
| cdent | but you dont' want that | 12:19 |
| sdague | so, pecan is only used in a few projects | 12:19 |
| cdent | you want an API that has some resources on routes | 12:19 |
| cdent | (pecan was just an example) | 12:19 |
| sdague | sure | 12:20 |
| cdent | those resources should have several layers of indirection | 12:20 |
| cdent | (and monty's recent email indicates that pecan is used in many projects, did it not?) | 12:21 |
| sdague | so, at least from a nova perspective, a big part of this is also size of API. And the fact people keep showing up with features they want exposed | 12:21 |
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| sdague | it's used in a few | 12:21 |
| sdague | it came late enough to the game that many projects have custom wsgi stacks | 12:21 |
| sdague | a few younger projects converted | 12:21 |
| cdent | features which, for some reason, they think need more resources or more endpoints or additions to existing representations | 12:21 |
| cdent | which suggests that the thing being represented by the api is wrong | 12:22 |
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| cdent | Unfortunately I haven't had enough of a chance to look at nova's api to really make my point concretely | 12:22 |
| cdent | it's just that the things I hear from people complaining about how this or that is hard sound very familiar | 12:23 |
| cdent | and usually point to representation problems | 12:23 |
| cdent | and an inability of a resource to cope with multiple representations | 12:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Flavio Percoco proposed openstack-dev/devstack: Remove Zaqar from devstack https://review.openstack.org/178955 | 12:23 |
| sdague | there is also the timeline concern | 12:24 |
| sdague | the resource from 2 years ago, deployed from providers, has changed | 12:24 |
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| cdent | has the fundamental resource changed? or the form of the resource? | 12:25 |
| cdent | if the former, why even let that happen? | 12:25 |
| cdent | :) | 12:25 |
| sdague | the features exposed by a resource definitely have | 12:25 |
| sdague | though now we're getting all abstract to the point where I think it loses some meaning | 12:26 |
| cdent | when you say features do you mean "attributes" or "things you can do"? | 12:26 |
| sdague | both | 12:26 |
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| cdent | my side of this discussion doesn't really have a leg to stand on because it presumes we should scrap everything and start over with a different kind of API design. Since that's not a good idea, it's pretty academic, and we're better of making what we've got behave well and making new things better. So I'll think about 4xxx | 12:30 |
| sdague | I would 100% agree this could be done better, but, this is as best as we've managed to get with the people involved | 12:31 |
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| cdent | step zero: stop with all the features! | 12:31 |
| sdague | we also had a massive fail in attempting to rewrite the api for consistency with nova v3 with the statement by many providers that they would need to support v2 forever anyway | 12:32 |
| sdague | so the current push on the microversion approach is to let us fix things incrementally | 12:32 |
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| sdague | cdent: ok, sure. stop doing development, rewrite the API from scratch based on a static model of the world, release no software for 2 years :) | 12:33 |
| sdague | these seem like realistic things to do | 12:33 |
| cdent | :) | 12:33 |
| cdent | that's not what I said | 12:33 |
| cdent | we're aware that the core existing functionality is not that great, even if we set aside discussions on the elegance of the api | 12:34 |
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| cdent | If we're going to have kernel-compute tag, let's feature freeze that and bug fix and release _more_ often | 12:34 |
| cdent | in that ill fated ask the candidates thread someone asked me what I meant by doing too much for the downstreams | 12:36 |
| cdent | this is it | 12:36 |
| cdent | we add features for them and don't remove features for them | 12:36 |
| cdent | I'd rather have something that works | 12:37 |
| sdague | there aren't black and whites here, we have a lot of things that work | 12:37 |
| sdague | and we have a lot of grey area that's a mess | 12:37 |
| sdague | and the point is how do we move more of the grey into the working and consistency zone | 12:38 |
| * cdent listens to the choir | 12:38 | |
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| sdague | :) | 12:40 |
| cdent | I think that there are plenty of us who all share the same basic goal (make shit good) and that together we have as many ideas on how to do that as we do people. Given the nature of the environment that's a good thing. | 12:41 |
| cdent | If we were in a different (less politically diverse?) environment I would say that we should all do the hard work to get on the same page and do the one right thing that we figure out. | 12:42 |
| cdent | Unfortunately that option is not readily available. | 12:42 |
| sdague | right, so if there was a bfdfl, that would be a thing | 12:42 |
| cdent | That's extremely challenging for my preferred style of getting shit done but so be it. | 12:42 |
| sdague | but that's never been part of this community | 12:42 |
| sdague | this community exists because there is no bfdfl | 12:43 |
| sdague | bdfl that should be | 12:43 |
| cdent | this community exists (today) because a bunch of corporations pour a lot of money into it | 12:43 |
| cdent | we need to not hide from that | 12:43 |
| sdague | that's a piece of it. That enables me to be here. That's not why I'm here. | 12:44 |
| cdent | enterprise opensource is _not_ the same thing as opensource | 12:44 |
| cdent | indeed, good point | 12:44 |
| cdent | but it doesn't change the relevance of the economic forces | 12:44 |
| sdague | sure, but that's not all the different with any large open source project at this point | 12:44 |
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| cdent | ESR and Perens have a lot to answer for | 12:46 |
| sdague | heh | 12:46 |
| cdent | :) | 12:46 |
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| sdague | it's also a good footnote that 8 of 13 TC members are at different organizations now then when they started contributing to OpenStack | 12:47 |
| sdague | coffee is goodness | 12:47 |
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| cdent | sdague: on tc employment migrations: that is a good thing, but to what extent are tc members providing the features which are concering and complexifying? | 12:54 |
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| sdague | mostly not | 12:56 |
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| sdague | mriedem: I'm going to wait for the test results before I update commit message | 14:15 |
| mriedem | sdague: ok | 14:17 |
| sdague | because, this may not work at all | 14:19 |
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| dansmith | sdague: don't see anything on e-r about that.. does that look new? | 16:58 |
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| hogepodge | mtreinish: do you have feelings about glance v1 deprecation? Like, should we be pushing any tests that use v1 api to use v2 now? | 17:09 |
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| samueldmq | hello, I would appreciate a couple of reviews on the change 'Honor the flag for Identity v3 API only jobs' | 17:16 |
| samueldmq | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179663/ | 17:16 |
| samueldmq | we need it to keep moving towards identity v3 support on all services | 17:17 |
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| mtreinish | hogepodge: I'd probably say stick with v1 for now. Although for the tempest tests they pretty much are the same tests for v1 and v2 | 17:18 |
| mtreinish | hogepodge: but as long as you don't require the v2 + tasks thing that rax uses (which isn't completely upstreamed so you probably couldn't anyway) I think you'll be fine using either | 17:19 |
| mtreinish | I don't really know what is the more commonly used, I only have a couple of samples (like hp cloud uses v1, and the last deploy I did I only bothered ever using v1) | 17:20 |
| mtreinish | mordred, SpamapS, greghaynes: ^^^ we were looking at this recently, any thoughts on what defcore should push? | 17:21 |
| mordred | task interface should be ignored | 17:22 |
| mordred | v2 is a fine target - but not the task api - it's not stable | 17:22 |
| greghaynes | heh, hogepodge has heard me rant alot about how I want v1 api | 17:22 |
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| greghaynes | not to mention certain people who arent even running v2 | 17:22 |
| mordred | well - so based on what we learned recently in infra ... v2 isn't the problem | 17:23 |
| mordred | it'sthe task api part of v2 | 17:23 |
| mordred | the parts of v2 that are similar to their counterparts in v1 are 'who cares' | 17:23 |
| mordred | so if we want to say that those are what we want, that's fine by me | 17:23 |
| mtreinish | mordred: yeah, which comes back to the tempests tests for v1 and v2 are basically the same exact thing | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | so it doesn't really matter | 17:24 |
| mordred | yah | 17:24 |
| greghaynes | mordred: did anything pan out of that review where you mentioned that the whole task workflow is crazy for a user and got some strong pushback from glance folk? | 17:24 |
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| mordred | so - their point is largely that glance isn't really designed to service both normal api calls _AND_ data plane style api calls | 17:25 |
| greghaynes | because that kind of scares me about v2, gave me the impression that the task workflow they see as being the only interface for doing uploads | 17:25 |
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| mordred | and that they believe that an api call to tell glance to start importing an image from a location should be how it always works | 17:25 |
| greghaynes | yea, thats fine | 17:25 |
| mordred | I can see that as being a fine direction | 17:25 |
| greghaynes | so, my other issue with v2, is the client by default acts like it has no idea that v2 exists | 17:27 |
| greghaynes | and it seems odd to tell people v2 is the way when youre client doesnt agree with that | 17:27 |
| mordred | yah | 17:28 |
| clarkb | +100 | 17:28 |
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| greghaynes | and I mean, it doesnt even list the task comands in the help output by default | 17:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-dev/devstack: Set local_ip only when TENANT_TUNNELS are enabled https://review.openstack.org/179787 | 17:34 |
| sdague | dansmith: so realistically, this is probably another manifestation of "stuff doesn't get on the network" | 17:35 |
| dansmith | sdague: okay, is that checking an instance we booted? didn't look like I would have expected for something like that | 17:37 |
| sdague | it's the grenade resource validation | 17:40 |
| sdague | it builds a boot from volume instance with openstack client, boots it, pings it, sshes into it | 17:40 |
| sdague | so... actually... | 17:41 |
| sdague | this is a failure during the upgrade | 17:41 |
| sdague | that instance was working | 17:41 |
| sdague | http://logs.openstack.org/51/179951/5/check/check-grenade-dsvm-partial-ncpu/330babd/logs/grenade.sh.txt.gz#_2015-05-06_16_13_33_742 | 17:42 |
| sdague | then it stopped | 17:42 |
| sdague | what's the patch that triggered this? | 17:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-dev/devstack: cinder setup now refers to CINDER_VOLUME_CLEAR and volume_clear https://review.openstack.org/178819 | 17:45 |
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| sdague | dansmith: so our debug paths are clearly suboptimal for that at the moment, thoughts on what we should dump on fail? | 18:04 |
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| jogo | sdague: thanks for +Wing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170608/ that was the last bit in decoupling heat | 18:05 |
| jogo | from the standard tempest full gate job | 18:05 |
| sdague | jogo: yep, np | 18:05 |
| jlk | mtreinish: so what's left in getting https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179272/ in? Do we just need one more +1 ? | 18:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack-dev/grenade: fix die functions https://review.openstack.org/180664 | 18:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack-dev/grenade: don't trace function definitions https://review.openstack.org/180665 | 18:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/tempest: Drop v2 and v3 tokens clients https://review.openstack.org/180213 | 18:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack-dev/grenade: wip: debugging worlddump https://review.openstack.org/180666 | 18:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack-dev/grenade: DNM: fail to trigger world dump case https://review.openstack.org/180667 | 18:23 |
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| sdague | jlk: I just +Aed it, thanks for the fix | 18:25 |
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| dansmith | sdague: ah, right, I was thinking this was waiting on some cloud node, but that makes no sense | 18:37 |
| dansmith | sdague: it was on this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179951/ | 18:37 |
| sdague | yeh, so the really confusing thing, that address was working 60 seconds before | 18:38 |
| sdague | we even actually sshed into the box | 18:38 |
| sdague | it's actually pre upgrade | 18:38 |
| dansmith | yeah | 18:38 |
| sdague | because the cinder boot from volume resource puts content into the volume | 18:38 |
| sdague | so I have to ping loop before attempting to ssh in | 18:39 |
| dansmith | my change touches rpc for older nodes, but I also don't see how this could have affected the old stack yet, so I was curious | 18:39 |
| sdague | yeh, I don't think it is your change | 18:39 |
| sdague | but this is a really new interesting thing | 18:39 |
| sdague | network works | 18:39 |
| sdague | 60 seconds later it goes away | 18:39 |
| sdague | for... no reasonable reason | 18:40 |
| dansmith | yeah, didn't seem like anything crashed in nova either | 18:40 |
| sdague | actually, it's only 20s later | 18:40 |
| sdague | and there are no API actions after this point | 18:41 |
| sdague | there is no API activity in that window | 18:41 |
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| sdague | 16:13:36.813 is the successful ssh in | 18:42 |
| sdague | so.... the other thing that's interesting | 18:42 |
| sdague | 172.24.5.1 takes 5 seconds before it pings as well | 18:43 |
| sdague | which is the nova instance | 18:43 |
| sdague | on the second time around | 18:43 |
| sdague | is something getting crudded up in iptables? | 18:43 |
| sdague | because I'd expect that once things come online, we're good. | 18:44 |
| sdague | oh... so, interesting fact | 18:44 |
| sdague | I never tried to ping the nova instance when it first booted | 18:45 |
| sdague | so nova instance with ephemeral disk is booted | 18:45 |
| sdague | add a floating ip to it | 18:45 |
| sdague | nova instance with cinder volume is booted (we'll call this cinder instance for short hand) | 18:45 |
| sdague | add a floating ip to it | 18:46 |
| sdague | ping it | 18:46 |
| sdague | ssh into it | 18:46 |
| sdague | then ping the nova instance for verification, it takes 5 pings before it responds | 18:46 |
| sdague | then ping the cinder instance for verification... it fails after 30 pings | 18:46 |
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| sdague | dansmith: so http://logs.openstack.org/51/179951/5/check/check-grenade-dsvm-partial-ncpu/330babd/logs/old/screen-n-net.txt.gz#_2015-05-06_16_13_08_573 - interestingly, we seem to have leaked iptables rules from the end of the tempest run | 18:55 |
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| sdague | or maybe not, we do seem to get that skipping duplicate rules thing a lot | 18:57 |
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| dansmith | okay, well, I'm gonna recheck and see.. don't expect to hit it again, but if so, it'll be really interesting | 19:08 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: so for 176979 did you try using testr's -d/--here? | 19:11 |
| openstackgerrit | melanie witt proposed openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Update query for libvirt socket hangup bug 1451506 https://review.openstack.org/180684 | 19:13 |
| openstack | bug 1451506 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "spawn failed with "libvirtError: internal error: received hangup / error event on socket" in the gate" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1451506 | 19:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/tempest: Delete server after resize test https://review.openstack.org/179272 | 19:16 |
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| * cdent challenges sdague and jaypipes to duel...fisticuffs in the streets of vancouver! | 19:23 | |
| cdent | s/duel/a duel/ | 19:23 |
| cdent | typos really kill the drama | 19:23 |
| jaypipes | cdent: :) | 19:23 |
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| mtreinish | cdent: heh, I'll start taking bets :) | 19:24 |
| cdent | I think we are mostly in violent agreement on the principle, but not about quota | 19:24 |
| mtreinish | jlk: ^^^ your patch landed (a bit above) | 19:24 |
| jlk | yup, thanks | 19:24 |
| cdent | My posting kind of concludes with quota being an odd example to debate over | 19:24 |
| jaypipes | cdent: like I said in my p.s. I see where you are coming from, but think sdague's arguments won me over. | 19:25 |
| cdent | well have a read of my overly long response | 19:25 |
| cdent | I threw a table at you, so it is at least good for that | 19:25 |
| mtreinish | pcrews: did you remove the session on stochastic testing from the qa summit session etherpad? or did it get deleted by accident? | 19:25 |
| pcrews | mtreinish: I removed it | 19:26 |
| mtreinish | ok | 19:26 |
| jaypipes | cdent: heh, will do :) | 19:26 |
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| jaypipes | cdent: so, I've identified the name of your next testing project: "squiffy" | 19:32 |
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| cdent | It's too close to Spiffy which was a Perl thing I worked on long ago and far away :( | 19:32 |
| jaypipes | :) | 19:33 |
| jaypipes | cdent: what is the typical HTTP response returned by rate-limiting failures? | 19:36 |
| cdent | that's a good question | 19:36 |
| cdent | don't know off the top of my head | 19:36 |
| * cdent goes to look | 19:37 | |
| jaypipes | cdent: seems that might be the closest thing to overquota? | 19:37 |
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| cdent | github: 403 forbideen | 19:37 |
| jaypipes | cdent: well, that is a strong plus on the side of using 403 then. | 19:37 |
| cdent | twitter: 429 (!) | 19:38 |
| cdent | apparently 429 is in rfc 6585 | 19:38 |
| jaypipes | cdent: I guess, after reading the RFC again, that 400 Bad Request does specifically mention the request contained some bad syntax, and that definitely is not the case here... | 19:39 |
| jaypipes | ah, yes, http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6585#section-4 | 19:39 |
| mtreinish | jaypipes: I think everything openstack uses 413 for rate limiting | 19:39 |
| cdent | yes, but on the other hand it is the well known catch all | 19:39 |
| cdent | it's...messy | 19:39 |
| jaypipes | it is indeed. | 19:39 |
| mtreinish | oh well maybe: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1187676 | 19:39 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1187676 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "API Rate limiting should return 429 not 413" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Jiajun Liu (ljjjustin) | 19:39 |
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| cdent | 413 is completely wrong for rate limiting | 19:40 |
| mtreinish | cdent: didn't say it was right or wrong, just what is the current norm | 19:40 |
| cdent | :) | 19:40 |
| jaypipes | cdent: so, 429 isn't really the same thing... that is about a given number of requests in a given amount of time, which is very different from quotas... | 19:40 |
| * cdent has little care for the current norm | 19:40 | |
| cdent | yes | 19:40 |
| cdent | 429 wouldn't fit for quota | 19:40 |
| jaypipes | so, back to either 403 or 400 :) | 19:41 |
| cdent | pusher does 403 for over quota | 19:41 |
| jaypipes | pusher? | 19:41 |
| cdent | https://pusher.com | 19:42 |
| cdent | it's a notification system | 19:42 |
| cdent | google maps does 403 for usage limits | 19:42 |
| jaypipes | yeah, reading it now... | 19:42 |
| jaypipes | pusher. | 19:42 |
| jaypipes | interesting. | 19:42 |
| cdent | that was just something i stumbled on doing a google search, not a specific example of good form | 19:44 |
| cdent | there's always 507 but I really cringe from using anything 5xx or from the dark realms of webdav | 19:44 |
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| cdent | and it is probably too specific again | 19:45 |
| jaypipes | yes, ixnay on the 5-7-ay | 19:45 |
| mtreinish | cdent: heh, you'll like some of neutron then. Try creating a network with neutron when using vlan providers, it returns 503 | 19:46 |
| cdent | oh dear god | 19:46 |
| cdent | (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ | 19:47 |
| cdent | why do people hate http so much? | 19:47 |
| cdent | It's really hard to shake this feeling that OpenStack hates both Python and HTTP but has sold its soul to both. | 19:47 |
| cdent | so confusing | 19:47 |
| jaypipes | lol | 19:47 |
| jaypipes | cdent: I don't think there's as much intent as you infer :) which is likely the reason for the mess ;) | 19:48 |
| cdent | carelessness? ignorance? distraction by other shiny stuff? | 19:48 |
| mtreinish | I like shiny | 19:49 |
| cdent | squirrel! | 19:49 |
| cdent | I think that's going to have to be me for the rest of the night. I need to step slowly away... | 19:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/tempest: Drop use of 'oslo' namespace package https://review.openstack.org/180718 | 20:01 |
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| mtreinish | dhellmann: ^^^ just 1? | 20:01 |
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| sdague | cdent: does google or pusher provide an API where you can increase your quota? | 20:25 |
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| sdague | over quota can actually be recoverable in our systems because you could be using quotas like ulimits, because we expose an api for changing them | 20:26 |
| sdague | mtreinish: yeh, well it took me a long time to convinced people that 501 was not correct, and that METHOD means something real in http land | 20:29 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: I haven't tried that - I will have a look, thanks | 20:30 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: if that doesn't work, we should file a testr bug and fix it | 20:34 |
| mtreinish | because that should let you run a test suite from outside the dir | 20:35 |
| mtreinish | sdague: heh sure, I know that I did a double take the first time I encountered that. My first thought someone set the neutron into a maintenance mode | 20:36 |
| mtreinish | not that they were using provider networks | 20:36 |
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| sdague | mtreinish: yeh, that's completely crazy pants :) | 20:38 |
| sdague | dammit, I think jaypipes is just trying to make me write up patches to api-wg :) | 20:38 |
| jaypipes | sdague: heh :) | 20:39 |
| mtreinish | jlk: ^^^ actually we probably should file a bug for that 503 response you get in your env, because neutron shouldn't use that it's very confusing | 20:42 |
| cdent | sdague: the point isn't whether there is an api or not for changing quota, it is whether or not you can make a change in the client-side state to fix the situation | 20:43 |
| cdent | for quota you cannot | 20:43 |
| sdague | cdent: yes you can | 20:43 |
| sdague | you can make an api call, up your quota, and retry | 20:43 |
| cdent | you can make an api call to change the server sie state | 20:44 |
| cdent | but you cannot do anything _client_ side | 20:44 |
| sdague | ok | 20:44 |
| cdent | which is what a 4xx usually means | 20:44 |
| sdague | I'm not so sure about that, 401, 402 are entirely about "do this other thing first, then come back" | 20:44 |
| sdague | really explicitly | 20:44 |
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| cdent | sdague: I left those out of the _really explicit_ list | 20:45 |
| cdent | on purpose | 20:45 |
| sdague | :) | 20:45 |
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| cdent | In any case, before it seems like this is important or something, I don't reckon the quota issue is the thing we should really worry about too much | 20:46 |
| sdague | :) | 20:46 |
| cdent | the bigger issues are the general perception how to deal and think about the stuff etc | 20:46 |
| cdent | and neutron using 503! | 20:46 |
| * cdent cries | 20:46 | |
| jlk | yeah the 503 was totes awesome | 20:47 |
| sdague | cdent: so, honestly, I think our positions are pretty close mostly | 20:48 |
| cdent | yes, I agree, I was saying that to some just a few minutes ago | 20:48 |
| sdague | I think we have a slight difference of view on whether we go pure or practical on 2nd level dispatch | 20:48 |
| cdent | and I think the quota thing is muddying the waters a bit because it is ... weird | 20:48 |
| sdague | right | 20:49 |
| cdent | but, as you've discovered, this is really just a ploy to expand your workload | 20:49 |
| cdent | because we've noticed you've been slacking off lately | 20:49 |
| sdague | heh | 20:49 |
| openstackrecheck | openstack/nova change: https://review.openstack.org/178440 failed because of: gate-tempest-dsvm-postgres-full: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1450110 | 20:50 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1450110 in Cinder "boto tests randomly fail in resource_cleanup with "Failed to delete volume"" [High,Fix committed] - Assigned to John Griffith (john-griffith) | 20:50 |
| sdague | ok, for that I'm going to have to terrify you with code that actually exists in our projects | 20:50 |
| cdent | I accept that as penance for my sins | 20:50 |
| mtreinish | cdent: heh, he even wrote a blog post about how he made a desktop widget to help him slack off | 20:50 |
| sdague | cdent: https://github.com/openstack/python-novaclient/blob/master/novaclient/v2/shell.py#L4301-L4309 | 20:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthew Treinish proposed openstack-infra/subunit2sql: Add db api method to get uuid from test_id https://review.openstack.org/180741 | 20:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthew Treinish proposed openstack-infra/subunit2sql: Add db api method to get per status counts for a test https://review.openstack.org/180742 | 20:51 |
| cdent | huh | 20:51 |
| mtreinish | sdague: heh, if 403 do it with less details | 20:52 |
| cdent | how does one module get to 4500 lines without someone calling time? | 20:52 |
| jlk | client code | 20:52 |
| jlk | all bets off | 20:52 |
| cdent | because it's not cool? | 20:53 |
| jlk | I'm sure python-openstackclient makes it all better | 20:53 |
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| cdent | today has been an interesting day | 20:55 |
| jlk | whoh, actually yeah, python-openstackclient makes this better: https://github.com/openstack/python-openstackclient/blob/master/openstackclient/compute/v2/availability_zone.py | 20:56 |
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| sdague | jlk: yeh, the client shells are super terrible | 20:57 |
| sdague | openstackclient does however use the client backends | 20:57 |
| dtroyer | only until the sdk is of age ;) | 20:58 |
| sdague | cdent: so, a real place to ponder this is actually things like nova calling cinder during a deep call stack, and how it translates what it gets back to the client, as in that case you are a client of nova, which is a client of cinder, which is potentially a client of glance and keystone. | 20:59 |
| cdent | yes, that's a good point | 21:00 |
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| sdague | anyway, good times :) | 21:11 |
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| sdague | cdent: I'm actually super excited you are in this community and fighting the good fight on stuff like this... it's nice to have another person that's clearly poured over that rfc in the past | 21:12 |
| sdague | even if we disagree on some edge cases | 21:12 |
| cdent | I have a colleague who helped me on my last major project prior to entering openstack land | 21:13 |
| cdent | He could be charitably called ocd. | 21:13 |
| cdent | In less generous times he's a completely anal prick | 21:13 |
| jlk | O C Delightful | 21:13 |
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| cdent | so in order to do anything related to anything http I had to be armed to the teeth | 21:13 |
| cdent | It resulted in some code I'm quite proud of and an excellent friendship | 21:14 |
| sdague | cdent: my first job at IBM was building early dynamic web sites (circa 1998) via mod_perl in apache | 21:14 |
| cdent | \o/ | 21:14 |
| sdague | the architect on the project started by printing out the HTTP spec, handing it to me in paper, and saying, read this | 21:14 |
| cdent | my first major web app was a mod_perl based full service newspaper publishing thing | 21:15 |
| cdent | 97 or 98 I'm not sure which | 21:15 |
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| cdent | we didn't need no stinkin architects ;) | 21:15 |
| sdague | yeh, we did one of the sub site for the olympics for sydney in 2000 | 21:15 |
| sdague | at IBM you can't accomplish anything with an "architect" :) | 21:16 |
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| sdague | sorry, without | 21:16 |
| sdague | though that might have been freudian | 21:16 |
| sdague | anyway, time to run to our lug meeting, catch you tomorrow | 21:16 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: hehe | 21:17 |
| cdent | i haz a mental fatigue | 21:19 |
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| jogo | sdague: FYI https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158573/ | 21:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matthew Treinish proposed openstack-infra/subunit2sql: Add db api method to get per status counts for a test https://review.openstack.org/180742 | 21:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Update query for libvirt socket hangup bug 1451506 https://review.openstack.org/180684 | 22:02 |
| openstack | bug 1451506 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "spawn failed with "libvirtError: internal error: received hangup / error event on socket" in the gate" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1451506 | 22:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Adolfo Duarte proposed openstack/tempest: Tests covering FIP in dvr multinode This is a collection of tests which validate floating ip functionality in a multinode dvr devstack environment https://review.openstack.org/177345 | 22:07 |
| melwitt | mtreinish: we'd appreciate your thoughts on not inheriting from tempest_lib https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175854/ if you wouldn't mind taking a quick look | 22:08 |
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| mtreinish | melwitt: I'm fine with that patch. You end up losing a couple things with that, but it doesn't look it effects any of the existing novaclient tests | 22:44 |
| melwitt | mtreinish: thanks. when I looked at it, I wasn't sure because it seemed like tempest_lib is intended to be used as a base class | 22:47 |
| mtreinish | melwitt: yeah the cli tests are written assuming it'll be used as a base test class, but it doesn't have to be | 22:47 |
| mtreinish | it's been a low prio todo to fix that | 22:47 |
| mtreinish | it's not like the base cli test class does very much though | 22:48 |
| mtreinish | just defines 2 helper assert methods and then initializes a clients object and parser object | 22:48 |
| melwitt | mtreinish: ah, okay. I see your comments in the patch now too. cool | 22:48 |
| mtreinish | melwitt: heh, in tempest we did basically the same thing: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tempest/tree/tempest/cli/__init__.py#n70 | 22:49 |
| melwitt | mtreinish: aha! :) | 22:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | melanie witt proposed openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Add query for libvirt cannot recv data bug 1452485 https://review.openstack.org/180787 | 23:02 |
| openstack | bug 1452485 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Error from libvirt "Cannot recv data: Connection reset by peer"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1452485 | 23:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | melanie witt proposed openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Add query for libvirt cannot recv data bug 1252947 https://review.openstack.org/180787 | 23:13 |
| openstack | bug 1252947 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "libvirtError: Cannot recv data: Connection reset by peer" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1252947 | 23:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | melanie witt proposed openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Add query for libvirt cannot recv data bug 1252947 https://review.openstack.org/180787 | 23:25 |
| openstack | bug 1252947 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "libvirtError: Cannot recv data: Connection reset by peer" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1252947 | 23:25 |
| openstackgerrit | melanie witt proposed openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Add context "libvirt" back into query for bug 1451506 https://review.openstack.org/180793 | 23:29 |
| openstack | bug 1451506 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "spawn failed with "libvirtError: internal error: received hangup / error event on socket" in the gate" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1451506 | 23:29 |
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