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| tobberydberg | Meeting here in an hour ... just as a reminder to you all! | 13:03 |
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| tobberydberg | o/ | 14:02 |
| zhipeng | o/ | 14:02 |
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| tobberydberg | So, who's around for this weeks meeting? | 14:03 |
| ChrisDB | Chris Burden - Memset (first visit to the meeting) | 14:04 |
| zhipeng | welcome ! | 14:04 |
| tobberydberg | Welcome ChrisDB! | 14:04 |
| tobberydberg | Happy to have you here! | 14:04 |
| NickCW | I'm here from Memset too (Nick Craig-Wood) | 14:04 |
| tobberydberg | you should knock Ross on the shoulder as well =) | 14:05 |
| tobberydberg | Welcome NickCW! | 14:05 |
| NickCW | Thanks! I think Ross is out today alas. | 14:05 |
| tobberydberg | Ok. I will kick off the meeting and lets see who pops in during the hour | 14:05 |
| tobberydberg | #startmeeting publiccloud_wg | 14:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 5 14:06:14 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tobberydberg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: publiccloud_wg)" | 14:06 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'publiccloud_wg' | 14:06 |
| tobberydberg | So, agenda can be found at | 14:07 |
| tobberydberg | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/publiccloud-wg | 14:07 |
| tobberydberg | please put your name there as well under participants | 14:07 |
| tobberydberg | and ... NickCW and ChrisDB ... add "your topic" there as well | 14:08 |
| NickCW | OK will do | 14:08 |
| tobberydberg | 1. Passport program - use case and spec | 14:09 |
| tobberydberg | I tried to put together a more "final" version of spec for the PPv2 ... it is in the bottom of that page I linked in the agenda | 14:10 |
| tobberydberg | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PCWG-pp-spec-draft | 14:10 |
| zhipeng | i think it is very good, thanks tobias | 14:11 |
| zhipeng | the only additional item I got , like I wrote to you and Allison, is to add promotions in the banner area | 14:11 |
| zhipeng | in that way Passport main page could be a place help member cloud to do promotions, each for a certain period | 14:12 |
| tobberydberg | That was how far I got this week, so still to be done here is to officially add that spec to our repo, send out for +1/-1 and comments to the mailing list ... as well reaching out to all the PP members and welcome them to either net meeting or an extra meeting before that to have a final say in that spec | 14:12 |
| tobberydberg | Sorry that I haven't responded to that. | 14:13 |
| tobberydberg | Like that idea in general, no clue how foundation thinks around that though | 14:13 |
| tobberydberg | BUT | 14:14 |
| tobberydberg | I believe that is in the spec already, right? | 14:14 |
| tobberydberg | under "Passport Promotion" | 14:14 |
| tobberydberg | 1. OpenStack Foundation to provide promotion via the banner area on the passport homepage | 14:15 |
| tobberydberg | or is that in some way different from what you proposed? | 14:15 |
| zhipeng | ah i missed that | 14:15 |
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| zhipeng | then the next thing is for me to +1 or +2 on it :P | 14:16 |
| tobberydberg | hehe | 14:16 |
| tobberydberg | I will make sure to add this to the repo soon and send out an email to mailing list as well | 14:17 |
| zhipeng | super awesome | 14:18 |
| tobberydberg | Some of the things we need to check with foundation as well | 14:18 |
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| tobberydberg | But ok. Lets move on ... we can get back to this later as well | 14:19 |
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| tobberydberg | 2. Other topics | 14:20 |
| tobberydberg | Lets swap order of the 2 items there | 14:20 |
| tobberydberg | NickCW and ChrisDB ... I know you have something on your mind! =) | 14:21 |
| NickCW | I have a bit prepared I shall cut and paste then we can discuss! | 14:21 |
| ChrisDB | We have.... | 14:21 |
| tobberydberg | Unfortunately not too many at the meeting today, but we that are here are happy to listen | 14:22 |
| tobberydberg | sure, that is totally fine | 14:22 |
| NickCW | In order for Openstack providers to complete with the internet giants (AWS, Azure, Google) we need to have global reach. We all have compatible technologies but to get that global reach we need to work together. | 14:22 |
| NickCW | We'd like to propose an effort to promote a global load balancer solution for Openstack so potential customers can use resources from multiple providers spread around the world and have a standardised way of setting up a global load balancer. | 14:22 |
| NickCW | The output of this project would be some documentation, some whitepapers on how to set this up to work with multiple providers and some marketing collateral. | 14:22 |
| NickCW | We have had preliminary talks with Cloudflare to see if they would be interesting in partnering with us to be the global load balancer provider of choice. | 14:22 |
| NickCW | Once we have a global load balancer partner we can work on making whitepapers describing the technology, do some proof of concepts and put some marketing effort behind it. | 14:22 |
| NickCW | We aren't proposing any new technology, just a unified way of working together for the common good of Openstack. | 14:22 |
| jamesmca_ | That's a really interesting proposal. | 14:24 |
| zhipeng | +1111111 | 14:24 |
| tobberydberg | Like it a lot as well .. of course =) | 14:25 |
| tobberydberg | you should say +2 zhipeng ;-) | 14:25 |
| zhipeng | we already have a blockchain initiative/project under the WG wing now, this could be another great addition | 14:25 |
| zhipeng | haha workflow + 1 | 14:25 |
| NickCW | Thanks for your support :-) | 14:26 |
| ChrisDB | We have previously trialled this concept with Datacentred before they went under.... | 14:26 |
| ChrisDB | it worked well - presented at a UK OpenStack event last year | 14:26 |
| tobberydberg | I think it is a really good fit to have under the PCWG or PP umbrella | 14:26 |
| jamesmca_ | +1 | 14:28 |
| tobberydberg | Did they record that session? | 14:28 |
| tobberydberg | can't find it | 14:30 |
| ChrisDB | I'll ask and get back to you... | 14:30 |
| tobberydberg | Did you use cloudflare in that presentation? Don't remember... | 14:30 |
| NickCW | Yes we did | 14:30 |
| ChrisDB | Yes we did.... | 14:31 |
| tobberydberg | ok ok | 14:31 |
| tobberydberg | So, help me out here .... what would be the next steps here to potentially get this going | 14:32 |
| tobberydberg | Write up a spec like the one for the PP where use case and need is defined, what technical requirements there is, what resources that are needed etc etc? | 14:33 |
| ChrisDB | I would suggest that we collect the contact details of those interested and hold an initial conference call. | 14:33 |
| ChrisDB | I'll also pull Cloudflare into the conversation | 14:33 |
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| ChrisDB | We can then put together a high level briefing for agreement by the group and an action plan to move this forward | 14:34 |
| zhipeng | ChrisDB it would be better to have a detailed description first I think | 14:35 |
| NickCW | Do you have a link for the PP doc tobberydberg ? | 14:35 |
| zhipeng | help people understand what they are getting into | 14:35 |
| tobberydberg | agree with zhipeng | 14:35 |
| tobberydberg | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PCWG-pp-spec-draft | 14:35 |
| tobberydberg | the later half of that etherpad will go in as a spec | 14:35 |
| NickCW | OK so if we were to make an etherpad doc in a similar style that would be the thing? | 14:36 |
| tobberydberg | but a etherpad, design not exactly like that but that describes the use case would be good | 14:36 |
| tobberydberg | would be awesome | 14:36 |
| zhipeng | or submit a patch for blueprint, which basically follows the same format | 14:37 |
| NickCW | We can do that, starting with the use case, working down from there | 14:37 |
| tobberydberg | so, just to make it clear in my hear here .. what are you thoughts around the project? To do this fully upstream way though the public cloud ww, or just collect som clouds that come together and that group help out to make this happen? | 14:37 |
| tobberydberg | *through | 14:38 |
| NickCW | I was thinking that this could be an offering of the Passport Program but I don't know what the best way to achieve that. I think the first step is to write that doc and gauge interest. | 14:39 |
| tobberydberg | totally agree, and totally agree that this would be a really good thing for the PP as well | 14:39 |
| NickCW | I'm unclear exactly where this proposal might fit in with the various bodies involved - your guidance appreciated! | 14:40 |
| tobberydberg | as an extension to PP a separate thing as well ... I guess time will tell, but like the idea in general | 14:41 |
| NickCW | OK great. We can see where it goes. | 14:41 |
| zhipeng | it could be incubated under PCWG | 14:41 |
| zhipeng | and we will see later how it could go | 14:41 |
| tobberydberg | yes, that for sure | 14:41 |
| NickCW | That sounds like a fine plan. | 14:42 |
| tobberydberg | an etherpad describing the proposal is very much appreciated, and it will make it easier to loop more members here into the discussion as well | 14:42 |
| NickCW | OK, we'll work on that so it is ready in a few days. | 14:43 |
| tobberydberg | perfect | 14:43 |
| jamesmca_ | tobberydberg: NickCW: please loop me in when ready as I'd like to pass along to the Foundation as well. | 14:44 |
| jamesmca_ | Cool stuff :) | 14:44 |
| tobberydberg | question | 14:44 |
| tobberydberg | cloudflare is not open source - should maybe be considered | 14:45 |
| tobberydberg | I mean, to not lock it down to that | 14:45 |
| ChrisDB | If there is anyone out there who can offer something similar, please let us know. | 14:45 |
| tobberydberg | hehe | 14:45 |
| tobberydberg | I know | 14:46 |
| ChrisDB | otherwise, we would have to look at how we can commercialise this | 14:46 |
| NickCW | Cloudflare do at least have a good reputation for open sourcing things | 14:47 |
| tobberydberg | absolutely ... just wanted to mention it .. not sure about how the "4 opens" relate to that | 14:48 |
| tobberydberg | jamesmca_: is that an issue? | 14:48 |
| zhipeng | well if we are not gonna make it an official openstack project | 14:48 |
| zhipeng | then it should be no problem | 14:49 |
| tobberydberg | I don't think so either ... just want to straiten out as much as possible here | 14:49 |
| jamesmca_ | tobberydberg: that's probably something the TC/UC would need to weigh in on | 14:50 |
| tobberydberg | ok, thanks jamesmca_ | 14:50 |
| jamesmca_ | To my knowledge though, openstack public clouds aren't required to use open source CDNs. | 14:50 |
| jamesmca_ | Governance doesn't extend to business choices | 14:50 |
| tobberydberg | Lets get it going with the first steps and see how it goes ... like the idea and don't see any issues with taht | 14:51 |
| jamesmca_ | Again, that's just my take, but I think you're right that as long as you aren't calling it an official project, there is a lot of leeway. | 14:51 |
| tobberydberg | for sure | 14:51 |
| tobberydberg | questions or anything else at this point? | 14:51 |
| NickCW | Not from me | 14:51 |
| ChrisDB | Nor me - thanks | 14:52 |
| tobberydberg | Thanks to you for a very interesting suggestion | 14:52 |
| tobberydberg | so, 2. other topics again | 14:53 |
| zhipeng | life just got a bit more brighter :) | 14:53 |
| tobberydberg | PTG - who are planning to go? | 14:53 |
| zhipeng | i plan to go there | 14:53 |
| tobberydberg | I know mnaser will be there as least | 14:53 |
| tobberydberg | I will be there | 14:53 |
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| tobberydberg | finally got flights and hotel booked as well =) | 14:54 |
| mnaser | i will be at the PTG | 14:54 |
| tobberydberg | NickCW, ChrisDB - any of you 2? | 14:54 |
| NickCW | Alas, not this time | 14:54 |
| tobberydberg | ok | 14:55 |
| tobberydberg | Anything else folks? | 14:56 |
| zhipeng | nope | 14:57 |
| tobberydberg | Thanks a lot for today and see you at the latest in 2 weeks! Where I hope we have a final for PP and and new draft spec to talk more about | 14:58 |
| tobberydberg | Cheers | 14:58 |
| NickCW | Thank you all! | 14:58 |
| zhipeng | thanks everyone | 14:59 |
| tobberydberg | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 5 14:59:27 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/publiccloud_wg/2018/publiccloud_wg.2018-07-05-14.06.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/publiccloud_wg/2018/publiccloud_wg.2018-07-05-14.06.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/publiccloud_wg/2018/publiccloud_wg.2018-07-05-14.06.log.html | 14:59 |
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| jamesmca_ | NickCW: ChrisDB: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273756/ | 15:10 |
| jamesmca_ | relevant | 15:10 |
| NickCW | Interesting - thanks | 15:11 |
| jamesmca_ | Looking at the reasons it was turned down by the TC.... I'd think with a broader inclusion of projects, this could be revisited. | 15:17 |
| jamesmca_ | Sounds like they were very close to having it working. | 15:17 |
| jamesmca_ | Might be worth reaching out to some of those folks to get their take. | 15:17 |
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