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| tobberydberg | o/ | 14:00 |
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| aprice | o/ | 14:01 |
| tobberydberg | #startmeeting publiccloud_wg | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 21 14:01:28 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tobberydberg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: publiccloud_wg)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'publiccloud_wg' | 14:01 |
| tobberydberg | Nice to see you here aprice | 14:01 |
| aprice | :) | 14:01 |
| tobberydberg | Some more here for todays meeting? | 14:02 |
| aprice | danny and chris from the foundation are also planning to join so we can talk more about the powered program like we discussed from the previous meeting | 14:02 |
| tobberydberg | cool :) | 14:03 |
| tobberydberg | Kets wait a couple of minutes then =) | 14:03 |
| hogepodge | hi | 14:06 |
| tobberydberg | welcome hogepodge | 14:07 |
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| aprice | with hogepodge and Danny_ here, one of the things I wanted to make sure we covered today was the powered program feedback that was raised in the last meeting | 14:10 |
| aprice | when we were discussing using that as a requirement for passport | 14:10 |
| tobberydberg | Yes, absolutely | 14:11 |
| hogepodge | It's my understanding that there were concerns about the program, and the ability of clouds to meet the defined standard? | 14:11 |
| tobberydberg | Lets kick off the meeting here and see who is joining | 14:12 |
| tobberydberg | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/publiccloud-wg | 14:12 |
| tobberydberg | Please add your name there | 14:12 |
| mnaser | i am here | 14:12 |
| tobberydberg | Nice to see you here mnaser | 14:13 |
| mnaser | :) | 14:13 |
| Danny_ | hello everyone! | 14:13 |
| tobberydberg | The plan for today - get some feedback of the "initial draft spec" of the PP v2 | 14:13 |
| tobberydberg | That includes your topic aprice, Danny_ and hogepodge | 14:14 |
| tobberydberg | #link spec draft: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PCWG-pp-spec-draft | 14:14 |
| tobberydberg | Just to give you all a little overview of the thinking around this | 14:15 |
| tobberydberg | Would like to summarize the PP in a spec - will become to big probably, so will use this as parent and refer to more detailed specs as for example the technical solution for the coupon codes system etc | 14:16 |
| mnaser | me likes #3 in selection criteria. #2 i feel like is too specific.. some vendors depending on their pricing model, $100 might mean nothing vs others | 14:16 |
| tobberydberg | So, open for any feedback to the format, way of thinking, content etc etc | 14:16 |
| mnaser | i *think* if we scope it out to be similar to aws free tier which is like "ability to at least run <x> type of vm or equivilant" or something like that. | 14:17 |
| tobberydberg | Good, I like all feedback - need to get the discussions going to come to some conclusion | 14:17 |
| mnaser | and my other last comment is selection criteria for the *password applicants* .. is that up to the provider to decide | 14:18 |
| tobberydberg | so, add +1's and -1's to what ever is in the spec | 14:18 |
| mnaser | ogood idea | 14:18 |
| tobberydberg | like that idea o the "free tier" thinking as well | 14:18 |
| mnaser | yah i put up my feedback | 14:19 |
| mnaser | but i think it's important for us to know that who gets to hand out those unique coupons | 14:19 |
| tobberydberg | agree | 14:20 |
| tobberydberg | Please all, put your name in the top if possible in this etherpad as well ... easier to reach out and get clarification of feedback if necessary | 14:21 |
| mnaser | i wanted to throw out an idea here before writing it out | 14:22 |
| mnaser | how do we feel about handing the foundation a whole bunch of credentials that are tied into billing accounts ready with certain funding | 14:23 |
| mnaser | and then the 'sign up' / 'get started' process is instead point and click directly from the openstack website | 14:23 |
| mnaser | and you get handed over credentials right away and it gets marked as 'used' | 14:23 |
| tobberydberg | by credentials you mean the "coupon codes" ? | 14:24 |
| mnaser | no, like actual pre-provisioned accounts | 14:24 |
| tobberydberg | aha | 14:25 |
| mnaser | like you just get keystone credentials and we get an email from openstack saying "this tenant, this is the user info" | 14:25 |
| tobberydberg | I guess that depends on the usage of them | 14:25 |
| mnaser | i mean that's the big question mark ere | 14:25 |
| mnaser | here** | 14:25 |
| mnaser | who hands them out and where.. that's my concern | 14:25 |
| mnaser | especially that with coupons, there is no 'prescreening' so to tspeak | 14:25 |
| tobberydberg | Haven't thought of it like that earlier | 14:26 |
| mnaser | there was some talks about using them as 'motivation' to make people come to meet ups. | 14:26 |
| mnaser | everytime you come, you get a coupon | 14:26 |
| tobberydberg | with the codes, you can still have your screening | 14:26 |
| mnaser | i'm personally not comfortable with that sort of thing | 14:26 |
| tobberydberg | with pre-created accounts, you can't | 14:26 |
| mnaser | i thought the whole idea behind coupons is instant setup | 14:26 |
| tobberydberg | no, that isn't at all how I've seen it | 14:27 |
| mnaser | maybe an imagined workflow should be put up in that case | 14:28 |
| mnaser | ;) | 14:28 |
| tobberydberg | I've seen it as the codes we (citycloud) and OVH has ... like a X digit unique code, that gives you like a $xxx rebate/free usage ... but you still need to pass each members screening process | 14:28 |
| aprice | Maybe this could be how we pull in the user groups? | 14:29 |
| tobberydberg | Yes, agree with you when it comes to the "imagined workflow" ... like the PP use cases Flanders came up with for the PP release | 14:29 |
| mnaser | that's reasonable. so how is that different than filling out a form | 14:29 |
| mnaser | that goes to a human which processes it | 14:30 |
| mnaser | aprice: not sure what you mean by pulling in user groups | 14:31 |
| aprice | As far as people to try the coupon method | 14:31 |
| tobberydberg | Bigger marketing value to be able to hand out "$100 worth of OpenStack", then sending people to o.o/passport and then signup for a trial, gives more flexibility when it comes to values etc etc | 14:32 |
| mnaser | aprice: oh yes | 14:33 |
| mnaser | tobberydberg: sure, sounds good to me | 14:34 |
| mnaser | so here is a technical concern :) | 14:35 |
| tobberydberg | It's ok to not like that approach as well =) | 14:35 |
| mnaser | if you get a code, you use it at some_cloud, it gets marked as as used. some_cloud decides they don't want to give you the credit for $reasons | 14:35 |
| mnaser | now you are stuck with an unusable code | 14:35 |
| tobberydberg | Yes, "Passport coupon codes" section in spec is supposed to gather the use case/scenarios, tech requirements for that .... Then we choose technical implementation | 14:36 |
| mnaser | noooow the other way around is: you get the code and some_cloud does not mark it as used until they activate it, well you can do rounds on all providers, hehe :) | 14:36 |
| mnaser | anyways, might be getting ahead of ourselves | 14:36 |
| mnaser | it seems to be okay with me at this state | 14:36 |
| tobberydberg | good point ... but, we still need to trust the members of the program that they behave well | 14:37 |
| zhipeng | mnaser that is actually why we had this blockchain experiment :) | 14:37 |
| zhipeng | to tackle exactly the issue you just mentioned | 14:37 |
| mnaser | tobberydberg: that's a given. | 14:37 |
| mnaser | zhipeng: i am *all* for that, if you find someone to implement it :) | 14:37 |
| zhipeng | yep :) | 14:38 |
| zhipeng | back to tobias :) | 14:39 |
| tobberydberg | Good feedback, a things that need to be tackled | 14:39 |
| tobberydberg | so ... powered/interop | 14:39 |
| tobberydberg | aprice ... did you have something specific there that you want to start with? | 14:40 |
| hogepodge | We were thinking that being a powered cloud should be a condition to participate in the powered program | 14:42 |
| tobberydberg | in the meantime I start by saying that I added "InterOp Powered Standards" as a filtering option for the PP homepage | 14:42 |
| tobberydberg | you mean passport program hogepodge? | 14:42 |
| aprice | Passport program | 14:43 |
| hogepodge | The aim of program is to guarantee interoperability and API conformance for end users. | 14:43 |
| aprice | Yeah | 14:43 |
| hogepodge | yes, passport | 14:43 |
| tobberydberg | yes, I agree and I like that thought for exactly that reason | 14:43 |
| mnaser | is it powered compute or powered platform we're talking about | 14:43 |
| tobberydberg | I would say compute | 14:43 |
| hogepodge | Compute. | 14:43 |
| tobberydberg | ++ | 14:43 |
| hogepodge | Swift isn't deployed widely enough to require it. | 14:44 |
| mnaser | that seems reasonable enough | 14:44 |
| tobberydberg | so, only concern ... who is not today among the members? | 14:44 |
| tobberydberg | 1,3 or more then 5? | 14:44 |
| hogepodge | I don't have those numbers. I could work them up. | 14:45 |
| tobberydberg | The mentioned concern have been the "Foundation sponsor" thing | 14:45 |
| Danny_ | one of the concerns raised in Vancouver was to become "openstack powered" one had to become a corporate sponsor of the foundation | 14:45 |
| Danny_ | yes | 14:45 |
| Danny_ | which we're willing to discuss on a 1:1 basis | 14:45 |
| tobberydberg | if all of todays 10 clouds are, then is not an issue basically ... if not, can be hard for some smaller players? | 14:46 |
| tobberydberg | ok | 14:46 |
| mnaser | so: if you're part (or willing to be part) of the passport program, you must be openstack compute powered, if you're not (then run it and become one), if you are not a corporate sponsor, talk to the foundation and they'll sort you out | 14:46 |
| mnaser | does that seem like a reasonable idea of what we're talking about? | 14:47 |
| tobberydberg | Sounds just like that | 14:47 |
| hogepodge | yes | 14:47 |
| Danny_ | yes | 14:47 |
| tobberydberg | the only thing to state in the reqs is that "if you are not willing to sponsor, call us and Danny will by you a dinner and then we are all good" ;-) | 14:48 |
| tobberydberg | *buy | 14:48 |
| Danny_ | dinner AND drinks : ) | 14:48 |
| tobberydberg | hahaha | 14:48 |
| tobberydberg | but I'm fine with that | 14:48 |
| tobberydberg | I guess that is more of a foundation issue telling some partners that today only are sponsors because of getting the powereed stamp why they should pay up | 14:49 |
| tobberydberg | I add that to the requirement section in the draft as well | 14:49 |
| Danny_ | keep in mind that powered products (who are also foundation sponsors) are also listed in the public cloud marketplace | 14:50 |
| Danny_ | https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/public-clouds/ | 14:50 |
| tobberydberg | "6) They must be accepted for the OpenStack Powered Compute (or platform) - this to guarantee interoperability and API conformance for end users" | 14:51 |
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| tobberydberg | yes, I know =) | 14:52 |
| tobberydberg | Just a couple of minutes left ... what else? | 14:52 |
| tobberydberg | I will try to have a more "final draft" ready by the meeting in 2 weeks, might reach out to you before that to vet ideas | 14:54 |
| aprice | tobberydberg: feel free to ping me and I can work with you on it | 14:54 |
| tobberydberg | Also, will post to the mailing list when we have something more final | 14:54 |
| tobberydberg | awesome, thanks | 14:54 |
| tobberydberg | Should we reach out more "direct" to the current members when we have somehting more final? | 14:55 |
| mnaser | i think so | 14:56 |
| mnaser | or maybe say "we're discussing the final details in the next wg meeting" | 14:56 |
| tobberydberg | Even though they should know that these meetings and the mailinglist is the place to be to stay tunes and have a say in the discussions | 14:56 |
| mnaser | "You should be there" :-) | 14:56 |
| tobberydberg | exactly | 14:56 |
| Danny_ | that's a good idea | 14:56 |
| tobberydberg | What gives the most, foundation reaching out and remember them of that? | 14:56 |
| aprice | yeah, we can reach out and cc you and zhipeng since you run the WG | 14:57 |
| aprice | can also remind them of the PTG - yall are planning to meet there right? | 14:57 |
| tobberydberg | Sounds perfect | 14:57 |
| tobberydberg | yes | 14:57 |
| tobberydberg | As it looks right now I have clearance to go there, so that is my plan | 14:58 |
| aprice | awesome! | 14:58 |
| * mnaser has booked the day the PTG was announced | 14:58 | |
| mnaser | little do you know travel is so cheap when you do it so far out | 14:58 |
| tobberydberg | hahaha | 14:58 |
| aprice | nice! | 14:58 |
| aprice | you're an event planner's dream | 14:58 |
| Danny_ | hahaha | 14:59 |
| mnaser | 💅 | 14:59 |
| tobberydberg | I have the ticket, but no flight and no hotel room | 14:59 |
| mnaser | except no cheap leftover hotel rooms for me | 14:59 |
| mnaser | :P | 14:59 |
| tobberydberg | are they all sold out? | 14:59 |
| tobberydberg | I mean at the official hotel | 14:59 |
| aprice | it is not | 14:59 |
| mnaser | i dont know but i menat like how usually at summits 2 weeks before | 15:00 |
| tobberydberg | phu | 15:00 |
| mnaser | the foundation throws out those "We reserved too many rooms so grab em ultra cheap" :p | 15:00 |
| aprice | kendall waters who runs ptg on our team says there are plenty of rooms right now | 15:00 |
| tobberydberg | great! Will try to get that sorted next week | 15:00 |
| aprice | perfect! | 15:00 |
| mnaser | thanks everyone, off to to tc office hours :) | 15:01 |
| tobberydberg | So, time is up for this week! Thanks a lot for your time today! | 15:01 |
| Danny_ | 👋 | 15:01 |
| tobberydberg | Talk to you all in 2 weeks if not before that! | 15:01 |
| aprice | thanks everyone! | 15:01 |
| tobberydberg | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "New meeting time!! Thursday odd weeks at 1400 UTC in this channel!!" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 21 15:01:56 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/publiccloud_wg/2018/publiccloud_wg.2018-06-21-14.01.html | 15:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/publiccloud_wg/2018/publiccloud_wg.2018-06-21-14.01.txt | 15:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/publiccloud_wg/2018/publiccloud_wg.2018-06-21-14.01.log.html | 15:02 |
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