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| openstackgerrit | VedaAnnayappa proposed openstack/nova-powervm master: Fixing UT issues to support Python 3 Train Version https://review.opendev.org/678482 | 15:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | VedaAnnayappa proposed openstack/nova-powervm master: Fixing UT issues to support Python 3 Train Version https://review.opendev.org/678482 | 15:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/nova-powervm master: Fixing UT issues to support Python 3 Train Version https://review.opendev.org/678482 | 16:30 |
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| efried | o/ ullbeking | 18:38 |
| ullbeking | o/ efried | 18:38 |
| efried | I'm not sure this is actually the channel you care about. | 18:39 |
| efried | This is specifically for PowerVM | 18:39 |
| efried | but it's quiet, so we don't interrupt the important things going on in -infra | 18:39 |
| efried | PowerVM is not the same thing as running linux/kvm on a POWER platform. | 18:39 |
| ullbeking | I care about openstack and I care about POWER9 and PowerPC, but so far all my OpenStack deployments are pretty standard and predictable Intel type configurations | 18:40 |
| ullbeking | but I AM intending on moving to POWER and PowerPC for OpenStack _at some point_ | 18:40 |
| ullbeking | 19:39 <efried> PowerVM is not the same thing as running linux/kvm on a POWER platform. | 18:41 |
| ullbeking | I thought I knew the difference sufficiently well but perhaps not... | 18:41 |
| ullbeking | more research is needed by me, obvs | 18:41 |
| efried | Have you heard of AIX? IBMi? | 18:41 |
| efried | VIOS? | 18:41 |
| ullbeking | efried: oh yes! | 18:41 |
| efried | HMC? | 18:41 |
| ullbeking | Yes! | 18:41 |
| efried | All of that stuff is PowerVM | 18:41 |
| efried | Like, you can only run VIOS & AIX on a PowerVM system. | 18:41 |
| ullbeking | I am merely a curious observer then, considering the fact that I skirt around IBMi _at best_ | 18:42 |
| ullbeking | closet I ever got was developing on AIX in a big corporation a few years ago | 18:42 |
| efried | Well, you can run Linux LPARs on PowerVM as well | 18:43 |
| efried | I just didn't want to confuse the issue | 18:43 |
| efried | because that's *not* the same thing as running Linux *on* your POWER system (sans PowerVM) and then virtualizing on top of that. | 18:43 |
| ullbeking | efried: thank you. your explanation has been concise, informative, and greatly needed by me | 18:43 |
| ullbeking | I am still interesting too, however | 18:44 |
| efried | There's a nova virt driver that supports most operations in the PowerVM environment. That's what this channel is for. There's a bare-bones driver in tree, but for any kind of effective use, you would want the out-of-tree nova-powervm project. | 18:44 |
| ullbeking | interested* | 18:44 |
| efried | That's the only thing I have background on (I worked for IBM for a long time, helped develop nova-powervm and its back-end pieces). | 18:44 |
| ullbeking | efried: "There's a nova virt driver that supports most operations in the PowerVM environment." can we get that in to this channel's topic? | 18:45 |
| ullbeking | efried: I see, ok, cool, so you have a very serious and deeply invested effort | 18:45 |
| efried | s/you have/there was/ | 18:46 |
| ullbeking | my interest in this particular corner of IBM technology is observational at best | 18:46 |
| ullbeking | the closest would be developing on POWER9 | 18:46 |
| efried | I don't work for IBM anymore. There's a new team working on PowerVM and they're still struggling to get their feet under them. | 18:46 |
| ullbeking | the new team at IBM? | 18:46 |
| efried | yeah | 18:46 |
| ullbeking | that sounds like a reorg gone bad | 18:46 |
| efried | quite | 18:47 |
| ullbeking | ugh | 18:47 |
| efried | Anyway, if you're interested, the code for nova-powervm is here https://opendev.org/openstack/nova-powervm | 18:47 |
| efried | but what you probably care about is the other side of things, where you just run linux on your power system and run nova right on top of that. | 18:48 |
| efried | so you're using kvm, not LPAR | 18:48 |
| efried | tbh, if you wanted to use powervm with openstack, you would be most likely interested in PowerVC, which is a pay product that provides a lovely UI in front of OpenStack specifically for running it on Power systems. | 18:49 |
| ullbeking | yes, I'm using KVM, but I keep bumping into mentions of LPAR _all over the place_ | 18:49 |
| ullbeking | I will have a look at the nova-powervm out of interest | 18:50 |
| ullbeking | is PowerVC an IBM Cloud thing? | 18:50 |
| efried | well, I can tell you this: LPAR is true partitioning. KVM is, like, chroot on steroids. | 18:50 |
| ullbeking | lol | 18:50 |
| ullbeking | efried: that is the least flattering description of KVM's type-1-ness I've ever heard | 18:51 |
| efried | and price/performance, Power absolutely destroys x86 six ways from Sunday | 18:51 |
| efried | it's just so entrenched in the industry, and the cost of entry for power is so high, that it can't get any traction. | 18:51 |
| efried | Have you heard of "rack scale design"? | 18:52 |
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| efried | aka "composable hardware" | 18:52 |
| ullbeking | "rack scale design" is a nice term | 18:54 |
| efried | You basically have a chassis full of hardware and you create a "server" by assembling some number of *actual* CPUs etc. So what you end up with is a truly isolated server, but that's actually a subset of what's in the rack. | 18:54 |
| ullbeking | so is "composable hardware" | 18:54 |
| efried | This is a new thing "they" are trying to do | 18:54 |
| efried | but it's effectively a rudimentary version of what PowerVM has been doing with LPARs for 20+ years. | 18:55 |
| ullbeking | is it an extension of hyperconvergence? | 18:55 |
| efried | not familiar | 18:55 |
| ullbeking | hyperconvergence is a very vague and poorly defined thing anyway | 18:55 |
| efried | in this industry? never! | 18:55 |
| efried | "edge" anyone? | 18:55 |
| ullbeking | I use it to design clusters but I still don't understand it very well | 18:55 |
| ullbeking | lol | 18:56 |
| ullbeking | "edge" is the silliest thing I ever heard. but on a more serious note... | 18:56 |
| ullbeking | the hype/fad that genuinely worries me is all this fuss about ML/AI/deep learning/etc. the fact that people have completely forgotten about the AI Winter. | 18:57 |
| efried | You mean Terminator-style? | 18:57 |
| ullbeking | not really | 18:59 |
| ullbeking | more like a fizzle | 18:59 |
| ullbeking | I mean, Terminator-style is what we are promised | 19:00 |
| ullbeking | brb | 19:00 |
| ullbeking | btw, efried, thank you for introducing me to PowerVM and this channel :D | 19:00 |
| ullbeking | I really, REALLY appreciate it! | 19:00 |
| efried | welcome | 19:01 |
| ullbeking | brb | 19:01 |
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