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| DinaBelova | Meeting reminder for everyone survived after the summit :) | 15:53 |
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| DinaBelova | #startmeeting Performance Team | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 17 16:00:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is DinaBelova. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'performance_team' | 16:00 |
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| DinaBelova | hey folks o/ | 16:00 |
| ad_rien_ | Hi | 16:00 |
| rohanion | Hi Dina | 16:00 |
| rook | hey | 16:00 |
| DinaBelova | wow, I'm glad people did not forget about the meeting :) | 16:00 |
| rook | lol | 16:00 |
| DinaBelova | it's a after-summit recovery :) | 16:00 |
| DinaBelova | let's wait for a few more moments | 16:01 |
| gokrokve | 0/ | 16:01 |
| DinaBelova | it's sad I do not see AugieMena yet | 16:01 |
| rook | hm | 16:01 |
| DinaBelova | let's hope he'll join | 16:02 |
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| rook | I can see if I can find someone who might know where he is | 16:02 |
| DinaBelova | rook ack | 16:02 |
| DinaBelova | anyway, let's get started | 16:03 |
| DinaBelova | with action items first | 16:03 |
| DinaBelova | #topic Action Items | 16:03 |
| DinaBelova | in fact we had two of them | 16:04 |
| DinaBelova | one on myself gerarding Keystone performance multi node testing | 16:04 |
| luzC | o/ | 16:04 |
| DinaBelova | sadly i do not have something specific to share regarding summit and my vacation >_< | 16:04 |
| DinaBelova | I'll leave this on myself for the next time | 16:05 |
| rook | o/ | 16:05 |
| DinaBelova | #action DinaBelova share status of Keystone multinode testing | 16:05 |
| rook | no word from Augie or Marcio | 16:05 |
| DinaBelova | luzC o/ | 16:05 |
| DinaBelova | rook ack | 16:05 |
| DinaBelova | so I'll leavie his action itme with no changes | 16:05 |
| DinaBelova | #action AugieMena share details about some v3 limitations in Rally | 16:05 |
| DinaBelova | he planned to share his results about some v3 limitations and related difficulties in rally | 16:06 |
| DinaBelova | so let's keep this till next time | 16:06 |
| rook | I have heard of other users having v3 issues with Rally | 16:06 |
| rook | mostly around keystone. | 16:06 |
| DinaBelova | rook - any specific issues? | 16:06 |
| rook | I haven't personally hit it. | 16:06 |
| rook | negative. | 16:06 |
| * rook wonders if there are launchpads for the issues? | 16:06 | |
| DinaBelova | rook can you please point the people boris-42 and I should talk about these issues with? | 16:07 |
| DinaBelova | rook it is - both for keystone and rally, but if there are some specific ones... | 16:07 |
| DinaBelova | ok, so anyway i guess it'll be better to find AugieMena :) | 16:08 |
| DinaBelova | so I'll probably jump to the next topic | 16:08 |
| DinaBelova | #topic Summit follow-up | 16:08 |
| DinaBelova | in fact I loved how this summit went from the performance topic perspective | 16:09 |
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| DinaBelova | I want to quickly go through the interesting sessions | 16:09 |
| DinaBelova | for folks who had no chance to attend - like rohanion and gokrokve | 16:09 |
| DinaBelova | first of all the working group session we had on Wednesday | 16:10 |
| DinaBelova | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-performance-team | 16:10 |
| DinaBelova | I loved the way how it went - people seemed to be enthusiastic about the progress made by team and suggested several things to be done during Newton | 16:11 |
| DinaBelova | I need to go through the suggestions and notes about some other performance benchmarks people are running | 16:11 |
| DinaBelova | for instance there was a suggestion to take a look on the SPECCloud - a benchmark from the SPEC organization | 16:12 |
| DinaBelova | sadly I did not have a chance to take a look on it yet, but that's in my todo list for sure | 16:12 |
| rook | DinaBelova I helped build that workload so feel free to ask questions :) | 16:13 |
| gokrokve | There are a lot of ideas for Newton. Do we have priorities for them? | 16:13 |
| DinaBelova | rook cool | 16:14 |
| DinaBelova | gokrokve - there were several suggestions about what can be tested in the networking test as well - like we planned to focus on Neutron, Contrail, Midokura, Calico - but folks asked to take a look on the OpenDaylight and DragonFlow as well if possible | 16:14 |
| rook | OVN too :D | 16:14 |
| DinaBelova | rook indeed | 16:14 |
| DinaBelova | gokrokve - I'll check this with ilyashakhat - as we surely have limited working cycles on this task | 16:15 |
| DinaBelova | I'm sure we won't cover everything, so let's decide what can be covered | 16:15 |
| DinaBelova | #action DinaBelova ilyashakhat prioritize Networking testing ideas from https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-performance-team | 16:15 |
| gokrokve | Sure. We can actually vote for each item in this etherpad. | 16:15 |
| DinaBelova | gokrokve - good idea, let's do it | 16:16 |
| gokrokve | Just put +1 for an item which looks interesting and important for you. | 16:16 |
| DinaBelova | gokrokve ++ | 16:16 |
| DinaBelova | #info let's vote for most interesting Networking testing ideas from https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-performance-team with simple +1 | 16:17 |
| DinaBelova | in fact all other ideas were very welcomed | 16:17 |
| DinaBelova | as well :) | 16:17 |
| DinaBelova | I should mention several other sessions as well | 16:18 |
| DinaBelova | two of them were held as a pat of Large Deployment Team effort during the summit | 16:18 |
| DinaBelova | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AUS-ops-Large-Deployments-Team | 16:18 |
| DinaBelova | there were mostly deployment and scale issues and interesting moments discussed, several performance related questions as well | 16:19 |
| DinaBelova | I just recommend to go through this etherpad and take a look on the issues real operators and active LDT members are focused on | 16:20 |
| DinaBelova | to be on track | 16:20 |
| DinaBelova | there was interesting test idea for our team proposed as well | 16:20 |
| DinaBelova | folks were concerned about number of messages Neutron can generate | 16:21 |
| DinaBelova | Things like security group changes can generate LOTS of messages - we can try to create some synthetic test via rally and measure number of messages that are trying to use messaging bus | 16:21 |
| DinaBelova | we have synthetic numbers already | 16:22 |
| rook | I have a test to look at ovsct (new firewall driver) vs the iptables work. | 16:22 |
| DinaBelova | rook good idea | 16:22 |
| rook | We have throughput numbers, but now we are looking at the control-plane as well. | 16:22 |
| rook | Using Rally-plugins i created a scenario to create N networks and attachN networks to the guest. | 16:23 |
| rook | which will also bloat the firewall rules since they are mostly mac address driven. | 16:23 |
| DinaBelova | #info let's play around the Networking/Messaging test ideas proposed in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AUS-ops-Large-Deployments-Team | 16:23 |
| DinaBelova | rook ack, thank you sir | 16:24 |
| DinaBelova | there is one more session that looks really interesting for myself | 16:25 |
| DinaBelova | not the session in fact, but operators meetup | 16:25 |
| DinaBelova | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AUS-ops-informal-meetup | 16:25 |
| DinaBelova | it has super long etherpad as a result :D | 16:25 |
| DinaBelova | in fact I'll just recommend to go through the etherpad at least and see what topics are hot for now from the operators perspective | 16:26 |
| DinaBelova | lots of issues are related to upgradability and deployment, but at the same time there is a bunch of scalability / performance issues mentioned and discussed | 16:27 |
| DinaBelova | right now I'm not ready to point on the specific ones, as lots of them (as it turned out) are either fixed in the latest OpenStack or have nice workarounds | 16:27 |
| DinaBelova | so I need additional research on this etherpad now | 16:28 |
| DinaBelova | hope to do it soon | 16:28 |
| DinaBelova | I think that's all I wanted to share after a summit - at least for now | 16:28 |
| DinaBelova | any comments? | 16:29 |
| ad_rien_ | Hi DinaBelova | 16:29 |
| DinaBelova | ad_rien_ hey :) | 16:29 |
| ad_rien_ | Maybe we can discuss a bit about scalability evaluations we would like to perform at Inria | 16:29 |
| DinaBelova | ad_rien_ - good idea, let's move it to the end of meeting | 16:29 |
| ad_rien_ | on top of Grid'5000 (see link available in the pad on just google for grid'5000) | 16:29 |
| DinaBelova | to the Open Discussions part | 16:29 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks | 16:30 |
| DinaBelova | ack | 16:30 |
| DinaBelova | ok, so let's jump to the OSprofiler | 16:30 |
| DinaBelova | #topic OSProfiler weekly update | 16:30 |
| DinaBelova | rohanion hey o/ | 16:30 |
| rohanion | Hiiii | 16:30 |
| rohanion | so let's begin | 16:30 |
| DinaBelova | looks like you had 3 weeks :D | 16:30 |
| DinaBelova | not just one :) | 16:30 |
| DinaBelova | sure, the floor is yours | 16:30 |
| rohanion | Ok, first of all - I've completed writing the new architecture | 16:31 |
| rohanion | now it's time for code review | 16:31 |
| DinaBelova | new drivers architecture? | 16:31 |
| rohanion | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247005/ here's the base commit | 16:31 |
| rohanion | yes | 16:31 |
| DinaBelova | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247005/ | 16:32 |
| rohanion | also I've split the ceilometer driver from the base commit | 16:32 |
| rohanion | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251343/ | 16:32 |
| rohanion | MongoDB driver is working and only small fixes have to be written | 16:33 |
| rohanion | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310530/ | 16:33 |
| DinaBelova | rohanion any numbers about MongoDB vs Ceilometer ? | 16:33 |
| rohanion | also, I've commited changes to cinder, glance and horizon for them to support the new osprofiler api | 16:33 |
| rohanion | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315676/ | 16:34 |
| rohanion | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316799/ | 16:34 |
| rohanion | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273085/ | 16:34 |
| DinaBelova | boris-42 harlowja ^^ we need to go through this bunch of commits :S | 16:34 |
| DinaBelova | rohanion thank you sir :D | 16:35 |
| rohanion | DinaBelova: yes, building a full report with mongodb driver takes 0.7 seconds | 16:35 |
| DinaBelova | it looks like I have looooooots of stuff to review after the vacation :D | 16:35 |
| rohanion | compare that with 5 seconds for ceilometer | 16:35 |
| DinaBelova | rohanion I guess horizon folks are much happier with these numbers :) | 16:35 |
| DinaBelova | rohanion ok, I'll start reviewing on Thursday | 16:36 |
| DinaBelova | rohanion please ping other core reviewers as well - boris-42 and harlowja | 16:36 |
| rohanion | Yes, Timur is very happy but there's an issue with messaging in horizon, we have to create the RPC transport ourselves and it's tricky as for me | 16:37 |
| rohanion | Will do, thank you! | 16:37 |
| DinaBelova | rohanion that's true | 16:37 |
| DinaBelova | ack | 16:37 |
| DinaBelova | ok, it looks like that's all for OSprofiler part | 16:37 |
| DinaBelova | let's jump to the Open Discussions | 16:37 |
| DinaBelova | #topic Open Discussion | 16:37 |
| DinaBelova | I have no specific items, but we have ad_rien_ from Inria today :)) | 16:38 |
| ad_rien_ | ;) | 16:38 |
| DinaBelova | #link https://www.grid5000.fr/mediawiki/index.php/Grid5000:Home | 16:38 |
| ad_rien_ | Thanks | 16:38 |
| ad_rien_ | To make a long story short, we are working on massively distributed clouds at Inria (from the research viewpoint) and we are interested to understand the current limit of the OpenStack core components | 16:38 |
| ad_rien_ | We briefly exchanged with some folks during the summit and it looks that evaluating the zeroMQ solution | 16:39 |
| ad_rien_ | make sense as a first TODO. | 16:39 |
| DinaBelova | ad_rien_ - in fact rohanion did several 0MQ researches already | 16:39 |
| * DinaBelova looking if that was published to the performance-docs | 16:39 | |
| rohanion | it was, as I remember | 16:40 |
| rohanion | I pushed the changes a long time ago | 16:40 |
| DinaBelova | rohanion ok, but I do not see them on the http://docs.openstack.org/developer/performance-docs/# | 16:40 |
| DinaBelova | probably because ilyashakhat was finishing your work | 16:40 |
| ad_rien_ | It would be great if we can have a link to such results | 16:40 |
| ad_rien_ | So we have few questions regarding that point: What can be a representative enough experimental protocol ? | 16:41 |
| DinaBelova | rohanion - can you please investigate if the 0MQ results will be publiched soon with Ilya? | 16:41 |
| rohanion | ah, I remember. there's a bug that blocks HA for 0mq | 16:42 |
| DinaBelova | ad_rien_ we have composed Messaging Bus testing plan some time ago - http://docs.openstack.org/developer/performance-docs/test_plans/mq/plan.html | 16:42 |
| rohanion | sure I will | 16:42 |
| ad_rien_ | Ok so what is the best way to move forward on that point ? | 16:42 |
| DinaBelova | with several test cases - RPC Call Throughput Test, RPC Cast Throughput Test, Notification Throughput Test | 16:43 |
| ad_rien_ | 1./ wait for the rohanion's answer regarding the previous experiments | 16:43 |
| rohanion | I'll look for my notes, they have to be published somewhere | 16:43 |
| DinaBelova | 2./ ad_rien_ - please go through the test plan http://docs.openstack.org/developer/performance-docs/test_plans/mq/plan.html and see if it looks ok for you | 16:43 |
| ad_rien_ | 2./ perform preliminary experiments according to the link you pasted DinaBelova | 16:43 |
| rohanion | I suggest doing both | 16:43 |
| DinaBelova | yes, indeed | 16:43 |
| rohanion | ad_rien_ | 16:43 |
| DinaBelova | probably you'll have some ideas to be added to this test plan | 16:44 |
| ad_rien_ | ok if we have questions, is there a particular person to contact ? | 16:44 |
| DinaBelova | myself, ilyashakhat and rohanion can answer them :) | 16:44 |
| DinaBelova | ad_rien_ ^^ | 16:44 |
| ad_rien_ | cool thanks | 16:44 |
| rook | ad_rien_: might i ask why the ZeroMQ direction? | 16:44 |
| rook | ad_rien_ is it due to the distributed environment you have? | 16:45 |
| rohanion | the best openstack doctors recommend giving up on zmq until the sockets issue is fixed | 16:45 |
| rook | rohanion: exactly. | 16:45 |
| DinaBelova | ad_rien_ - please notice that this specific test plan is playing around oslo.messaging + SOME_DRIVER testing via oslo simulator tool | 16:45 |
| ad_rien_ | We are working on a particular use-case related to Fog/Edge cloud computing solutions (i.e. a cloud that is spread over a significant number of small data centers) | 16:45 |
| ad_rien_ | DinaBelova: ok thanks | 16:46 |
| DinaBelova | probably you'll find out this is not 100% suitable for you - we can think either on the tool improvement or test plan extension, etc. | 16:46 |
| ad_rien_ | We will give a look to the different information you gave us and come back to you soon | 16:46 |
| ad_rien_ | The second experiment we would like to perform is a a scalability test of OpenStack | 16:46 |
| ad_rien_ | with Rally. | 16:47 |
| ad_rien_ | We are working on that right now | 16:47 |
| DinaBelova | ad_rien_ - currently 0MQ driver has one socket issue rohanion and rook mentioned ^^ - with node number growing up, 0MQ eats more sockets on the cloud controller nodes... too many | 16:47 |
| ad_rien_ | we have several ways to achieve it on top of Grid'5000 | 16:47 |
| DinaBelova | rohanion - can you find a link to the bug? | 16:47 |
| DinaBelova | ad_rien_ ack | 16:47 |
| msimonin | the socket issue is it a bug from zeroMQ ? | 16:48 |
| ad_rien_ | or a way OpenStack is using it ? | 16:48 |
| ad_rien_ | (thanks msimonin) | 16:48 |
| DinaBelova | msimonin ad_rien_ - it's a logical continuation of 0MQ usage | 16:49 |
| DinaBelova | in openstack | 16:49 |
| rohanion | https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.messaging/+bug/1555007 | 16:49 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1555007 in oslo.messaging "[zmq] ZMQ driver eats too many TCP sockets" [Undecided,Fix released] - Assigned to Oleksii Zamiatin (ozamiatin) | 16:49 |
| rohanion | here we go | 16:49 |
| ad_rien_ | Ok thanks | 16:49 |
| DinaBelova | too many peer-to-peer connectivity without any proxies from the 0mq driver that's written right now | 16:49 |
| ad_rien_ | we are going to give a careful look | 16:50 |
| rohanion | proxies don't help as much as we want them | 16:50 |
| DinaBelova | rohanion that's true | 16:50 |
| DinaBelova | I just used this as an example | 16:50 |
| rohanion | we have spotted a slight decrease in the number of sockets, but still it eats tons of them | 16:51 |
| rohanion | but ten thousand less than without using proxies | 16:51 |
| rook | I saw some blueprints for reusing sockets | 16:51 |
| rook | ah ha. | 16:51 |
| * rook sees rohanion posted it. | 16:51 | |
| DinaBelova | and that's normal for the 0MQ protocol, but not appropriate yet for the real usage | 16:51 |
| rohanion | was it me? O_o | 16:52 |
| DinaBelova | rohanion, rook indeed | 16:52 |
| DinaBelova | :D | 16:52 |
| ad_rien_ | Ok is there any other information we should know about the couple zeroMQ/openStack before starting on that action :-P ? | 16:52 |
| DinaBelova | ad_rien_ nothing specific yet | 16:52 |
| rohanion | for now bunny is much more reliable. | 16:52 |
| msimonin | :) | 16:52 |
| DinaBelova | we'll check if something else can be found to help you | 16:52 |
| ad_rien_ | ok just for your information we plan to work on that aspect during this summer (we are currently hiring an engineer that will work on scalability evaluations) | 16:53 |
| DinaBelova | ack, cool | 16:53 |
| DinaBelova | anything else? | 16:53 |
| ad_rien_ | so regarding the second experiments about the scalability evaluation, there are few items on the pad | 16:53 |
| ad_rien_ | (see New tests planned section) | 16:54 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-performance-team | 16:54 |
| msimonin | We had some discussions about qpid dispatch router at the summit | 16:54 |
| DinaBelova | ad_rien_ some of them we'll cover on Mirantis-Intel lab, but I think two labs will be even better :D | 16:54 |
| ad_rien_ | yes that's exactly my poin | 16:55 |
| ad_rien_ | t | 16:55 |
| ad_rien_ | how can we merge the efforts. | 16:55 |
| msimonin | any thought on qpid dispatch router as brokerless communication solutioj | 16:55 |
| msimonin | solution* | 16:55 |
| harlowja | DinaBelova u alive???!!?? | 16:55 |
| DinaBelova | harlowja hahahha | 16:55 |
| rohanion | hehey joshua | 16:55 |
| rohanion | how have u been? | 16:55 |
| DinaBelova | msimonin - I dunno myself | 16:56 |
| ad_rien_ | As it is mentioned on the pad, there are different ways to perform such evaluations (using docker, VM, tools like infrastructure emulators) | 16:56 |
| DinaBelova | I guess we need to ping some oslo.messaging guys for this | 16:56 |
| DinaBelova | dims_ ? | 16:56 |
| DinaBelova | msimonin - I'll check it with our oslo.messaging folks | 16:57 |
| dims_ | hey DinaBelova | 16:57 |
| DinaBelova | hey :) | 16:57 |
| ad_rien_ | it would be nice if we can use the same deployment scripts | 16:57 |
| DinaBelova | dims_ - it was a question from msimonin | 16:57 |
| dims_ | what's up? | 16:57 |
| dims_ | msimonin : DinaBelova : qpid dispatch router? we'll need kgiusti | 16:58 |
| DinaBelova | dims_ about 0MQ current driver limitations and other drivers and solutions like qpid dispatch router as brokerless communication and it's comparison | 16:58 |
| DinaBelova | dims_ ack | 16:58 |
| msimonin | dims_: ok thanks | 16:58 |
| DinaBelova | ad_rien_ - sure | 16:58 |
| ad_rien_ | did you start to work on that on your side ? | 16:59 |
| DinaBelova | once we'll finalize test plans | 16:59 |
| dims_ | DinaBelova : 0MQ will support direct connections for smaller number of nodes and broker-ed for larger number of nodes | 16:59 |
| DinaBelova | ad_rien_ - well, I did not find this out yet :D my vacation is till thursday | 16:59 |
| DinaBelova | I'm a bit out of context | 16:59 |
| DinaBelova | ad_rien_ - I'll update you once I'll have any info | 16:59 |
| ad_rien_ | ok so the first action is to work on the experimental protocol ? | 16:59 |
| dims_ | DinaBelova : we should call kgiusti and ozamiatin for next meeting :) | 17:00 |
| DinaBelova | dims_ ack | 17:00 |
| DinaBelova | ad_rien_ i believe yes | 17:00 |
| DinaBelova | together with rohanion from our side | 17:01 |
| DinaBelova | ok, so we're out of time in fact | 17:01 |
| DinaBelova | so let's end the discussion for now | 17:01 |
| ad_rien_ | yes I understand, do not worry | 17:01 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 17:01 |
| DinaBelova | and collect all info about the items discussed today :) | 17:01 |
| DinaBelova | thanks! | 17:01 |
| DinaBelova | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 17 17:01:45 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/performance_team/2016/performance_team.2016-05-17-16.00.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/performance_team/2016/performance_team.2016-05-17-16.00.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/performance_team/2016/performance_team.2016-05-17-16.00.log.html | 17:01 |
| msimonin | quoi ? | 17:02 |
| msimonin | (sorry wrong chan) | 17:02 |
| harlowja | busy is how i've been :-P | 17:02 |
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