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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.policy master: Remove format option examples in policy generator https://review.opendev.org/758966 | 10:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Daniel Bengtsson proposed openstack/oslo.messaging stable/train: add min of 1 to rpc_conn_pool_size https://review.opendev.org/759410 | 10:17 |
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| moguimar | yoctozepto, any progress on https://review.opendev.org/#/c/755406/ ? | 10:28 |
| moguimar | I have a keystone patch that depends on that one | 10:28 |
| moguimar | can you help me untangle it? | 10:28 |
| moguimar | gmann ^ | 10:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Daniel Bengtsson proposed openstack/oslo.messaging stable/train: add min of 1 to rpc_conn_pool_size https://review.opendev.org/759410 | 10:33 |
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| yoctozepto | moguimar: let's move to #openstack-qa | 10:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.reports master: Remove all six usage https://review.opendev.org/757981 | 10:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.metrics master: bump py37 to py38 in tox.ini https://review.opendev.org/757439 | 11:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | David Vallee Delisle proposed openstack/oslo.config master: Adding --check-defaults to validator https://review.opendev.org/759338 | 13:15 |
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| bnemec | Hey, due to the time change I have a conflict with the Oslo meeting for a couple of weeks here. I should be semi-available, but you might need to ping me if something needs my input. | 13:55 |
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| hberaud | bnemec: ack | 13:59 |
| hberaud | bnemec: thanks for the heads up | 13:59 |
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| hberaud | #startmeeting oslo | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 26 15:00:42 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hberaud. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 15:00 |
| hberaud | Courtesy ping for bnemec, smcginnis, moguimar, johnsom, stephenfin, bcafarel, kgiusti, jungleboyj, sboyron, damani | 15:01 |
| moguimar | o/ | 15:01 |
| bcafarel | o/ (sharing attention with neutron ptg session) | 15:01 |
| hberaud | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting | 15:01 |
| johnsom | o/ | 15:02 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 15:03 |
| hberaud | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:04 | |
| hberaud | nothing from our side | 15:04 |
| johnsom | Nothing from Octavia | 15:04 |
| sboyron | o/ | 15:04 |
| moguimar | nothing from Barbican | 15:05 |
| hberaud | #topic Releases liaison | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Releases liaison (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:06 | |
| bnemec | o/ | 15:06 |
| hberaud | I seen few releases proposed by damani | 15:06 |
| hberaud | nothing more here | 15:06 |
| hberaud | #topic Security liaison | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Security liaison (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:07 | |
| bnemec | Just the gerrit breach audit, which was completed without incident. | 15:07 |
| hberaud | right | 15:07 |
| sboyron | yep | 15:07 |
| bnemec | Thanks to everyone who helped out with that! | 15:08 |
| hberaud | +1 | 15:08 |
| hberaud | #topic TaCT SIG liaison | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "TaCT SIG liaison (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:08 | |
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| sboyron | Nothing is on fire | 15:08 |
| hberaud | awesome | 15:08 |
| sboyron | or the fire for gerrit breach masked everything ^^ | 15:09 |
| sboyron | did not saw any mails | 15:09 |
| hberaud | :) | 15:09 |
| hberaud | #topic Action items from last meeting | 15:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from last meeting (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:09 | |
| hberaud | just 1 thing here | 15:10 |
| hberaud | hberaud to review https://review.opendev.org/#/c/742160 | 15:10 |
| hberaud | done | 15:10 |
| hberaud | #topic Weekly Wayward Wallaby Review | 15:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Weekly Wayward Wallaby Review (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:10 | |
| hberaud | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/698814/ | 15:11 |
| hberaud | this one is WIP since 2019 | 15:12 |
| hberaud | I wonder if we should abandon these changes | 15:12 |
| hberaud | smcginnis: any opinion? ^^^ | 15:12 |
| smcginnis | Would be great to see that work done if anyone can take it on. It would be nice to have. | 15:13 |
| hberaud | ack | 15:13 |
| smcginnis | But if no one else can tackle it, we should probably just abandon it. | 15:13 |
| hberaud | I'll try to take a look more deeply to this one | 15:14 |
| hberaud | #topic Open discussion | 15:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:14 | |
| hberaud | anything else? | 15:14 |
| hberaud | moguimar: you proposed to run our retrospective, maybe it's the right time | 15:15 |
| hberaud | moguimar: as you want | 15:15 |
| moguimar | sure | 15:15 |
| moguimar | do you have the link for the ptg? | 15:15 |
| moguimar | maybe we have some topics there already? | 15:15 |
| hberaud | yep sec | 15:16 |
| hberaud | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/oslo-wallaby-topics | 15:16 |
| hberaud | so few items are in the "what went well" part | 15:17 |
| moguimar | ok | 15:17 |
| moguimar | lets start with What went well | 15:18 |
| moguimar | #topic Retrospective - What went well | 15:18 |
| moguimar | no powers =P | 15:18 |
| moguimar | zuulv3 migration | 15:18 |
| moguimar | comments? | 15:18 |
| bnemec | I included this because it got done on time and a number of different people contributed to it. | 15:19 |
| hberaud | AFAIK this topic is well done | 15:19 |
| moguimar | tosky, around? | 15:19 |
| bnemec | Pretty much exactly how we want community goals to work. | 15:19 |
| moguimar | cool | 15:20 |
| bnemec | And yeah, big thanks to tosky for driving that! | 15:20 |
| moguimar | what do you mean in time bnemec ? | 15:20 |
| moguimar | like early in the cycle? | 15:20 |
| hberaud | I suppose during the cycle | 15:20 |
| bnemec | Yeah. We weren't desperately merging patches late in the cycle, or even after it was over. | 15:21 |
| hberaud | this was a community goal | 15:21 |
| bnemec | Which has happened on other community goals. | 15:21 |
| moguimar | ok | 15:21 |
| moguimar | moving on | 15:21 |
| moguimar | hberaud took over most of the release duties | 15:21 |
| moguimar | hberaud++ | 15:21 |
| bnemec | I guess this was kind of our first step toward the DPL model. | 15:21 |
| moguimar | speaking of that, did we get a new oslo.utils release? | 15:22 |
| hberaud | bnemec: yep I agreed | 15:22 |
| hberaud | damani: ^^^ (I'm not sure) | 15:23 |
| moguimar | yeah, I think damani started working on that one | 15:23 |
| hberaud | I think too, but I didn't seen related release for now | 15:23 |
| moguimar | any other things that went well? | 15:24 |
| moguimar | I have one that is mixed feelings | 15:24 |
| moguimar | the pre-commit patches | 15:25 |
| hberaud | :) | 15:25 |
| moguimar | It covered 35 repos I guess | 15:25 |
| hberaud | yeah | 15:25 |
| moguimar | we were able to kinda automate a good part of it | 15:25 |
| moguimar | it was very good to first get good in a single repo and then replicating | 15:25 |
| hberaud | yep | 15:26 |
| moguimar | the part I'm not sure it was that good was how long it took to get it reviewed | 15:26 |
| moguimar | not sure about it* | 15:26 |
| moguimar | which is a sign that we are going short on cores | 15:27 |
| hberaud | Agreed | 15:27 |
| hberaud | fortunately new few people seems interested by oslo | 15:28 |
| moguimar | I think we planted a good seed | 15:28 |
| hberaud | +1 | 15:28 |
| moguimar | lets see how pre-commit will affect our work in the next cycles | 15:28 |
| bnemec | I know last cycle I had toyed with the idea of changing our approval process to only require one +2 on a change submitted by a core. | 15:29 |
| hberaud | it could be dangerous | 15:29 |
| bnemec | I kind of tabled it because it seemed like we were keeping up on reviews okay. | 15:29 |
| moguimar | In that case me and hberaud could have taken care of pre-commit alone | 15:30 |
| moguimar | what do you think could be dangerous about it hberaud ? | 15:30 |
| hberaud | yep | 15:30 |
| hberaud | I'm not fan | 15:31 |
| hberaud | pre-commit isn't a good example | 15:31 |
| bnemec | FWIW, you wouldn't _have_ to single approve if the change was complex or anything like that. | 15:31 |
| moguimar | I see | 15:31 |
| bnemec | It would just leave it up to the core team's discretion whether to use that. | 15:31 |
| bnemec | Our disagreement rate in Oslo is pretty low, so in practice I don't think there would be a huge change in quality as a result. | 15:32 |
| bnemec | It's not all that common that a core +2's something and another comes along and -1's. | 15:33 |
| hberaud | but by example on oslo.messaging I really prefer to see double check from an expert (kgiusti) rather merge patch too quickly to compensate for a lack of person | 15:33 |
| bnemec | Anyway, it's something to think about. We don't necessarily have to make a decision immediately. | 15:33 |
| hberaud | sure | 15:33 |
| moguimar | ok | 15:33 |
| moguimar | moving on | 15:33 |
| moguimar | What didn't go well | 15:33 |
| moguimar | focal ci migration | 15:34 |
| bnemec | This was on me. | 15:34 |
| moguimar | I think this is a good example of goal happening late during the cycle | 15:34 |
| bnemec | I dropped the ball on this because I wasn't paying enough attention to the goal update emails. | 15:34 |
| bnemec | Yeah. | 15:34 |
| hberaud | :) | 15:34 |
| bnemec | We shouldn't have been making major ci changes as late as we did. | 15:34 |
| hberaud | agreed | 15:35 |
| bnemec | I guess the silver lining is that post-ff there wasn't a lot that should have been merging anyway so it didn't matter if ci got broken for a while. ;-) | 15:35 |
| bnemec | And I guess the takeaway from this is to make sure we have someone who owns community goals so someone is making sure they get done. | 15:36 |
| hberaud | any idea about how to manage this with the DPL? | 15:37 |
| bnemec | We saw the effect of that this cycle: the zuul migration got done because tosky took ownership of it, focal didn't because nobody had a specific interest in it. | 15:37 |
| bnemec | I think we just need to make sure as a team that when community goals are assigned, someone takes responsibility for driving it. | 15:38 |
| hberaud | ack | 15:38 |
| bnemec | Which I'm pretty sure is the same thing I said last cycle when this happened, and then didn't follow through on it. :-/ | 15:38 |
| hberaud | I see | 15:39 |
| bnemec | I will also note that since the privsep conversion goal was selected for Wallaby, we're likely to need a point of contact for other teams. | 15:40 |
| hberaud | good point | 15:41 |
| hberaud | Personally I'll try to be a little more attentive to community goal and the privsep stuff for this cycle | 15:43 |
| bnemec | I guess I don't have anything else. That was all the topics I had for the retro. Any thoughts from the rest of the team on things that didn't go well? | 15:43 |
| bnemec | hberaud: Cool, thanks! I'll try to help out with the privsep stuff as much as I can, but I can't make any promises. | 15:43 |
| hberaud | no problem | 15:44 |
| bnemec | Hopefully I've done enough work in privsep to answer some of the basic questions, at least. | 15:44 |
| hberaud | thanks | 15:44 |
| moguimar | That's all on my end too | 15:44 |
| hberaud | anybody else is interested to become the bnemec's backup on this topic? | 15:45 |
| hberaud | the last topic on our etherpad lack of present author | 15:46 |
| hberaud | so I think we are near from the end | 15:47 |
| hberaud | anything else? | 15:47 |
| bnemec | That sounds like a spec to me. | 15:47 |
| hberaud | yep | 15:47 |
| bnemec | And we'll want kgiusti to look at it. | 15:47 |
| hberaud | I left a comment | 15:48 |
| hberaud | I hope he will seen it | 15:49 |
| hberaud | so I think we are done | 15:49 |
| hberaud | Thanks for joining! | 15:49 |
| hberaud | #endmeeting | 15:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 26 15:49:56 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2020/oslo.2020-10-26-15.00.html | 15:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2020/oslo.2020-10-26-15.00.txt | 15:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2020/oslo.2020-10-26-15.00.log.html | 15:50 |
| tosky | uh, thanks! (despite the PTG, I'm on vacation today) | 15:53 |
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| qizhangapp | Hi, I have some questions about contributing to the documentation. I found some grammar issues and wanted to fix them. Should I submit a bug to track them or just make the changes and submit them for review? | 20:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Jacek Tomasiak proposed openstack/oslo.service master: Reset eventlet hub after patching https://review.opendev.org/755245 | 20:55 |
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