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| openstackgerrit | Arnaud Morin proposed openstack/oslo.messaging master: Add a ping endpoint to RPC dispatcher https://review.opendev.org/735385 | 08:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/debtcollector master: Update lower-constraints versions https://review.opendev.org/734871 | 11:36 |
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| bnemec | #startmeeting oslo | 15:00 |
| bnemec | Courtesy ping for bnemec, jungleboyj, moguimar, hberaud, stephenfin, kgiusti, johnsom, e0ne, redrobot, bcafarel, smcginnis | 15:00 |
| bnemec | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 15 15:00:58 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bnemec. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 15:01 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 15:01 |
| moguimar | o/ | 15:01 |
| hberaud | o/ | 15:01 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 15:01 |
| bcafarel | o/ | 15:01 |
| johnsom | o/ | 15:01 |
| kgiusti | p | 15:02 |
| kgiusti | o/, that is | 15:02 |
| bnemec | :-) | 15:02 |
| bnemec | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:03 | |
| johnsom | No issues from Octavia | 15:03 |
| jungleboyj | No issues from Cinder. | 15:03 |
| bcafarel | none from Neutron | 15:04 |
| bnemec | I can't remember anything on our side, but I had a 3 day weekend so I can't remember anything that happened last week. ;-) | 15:04 |
| smcginnis | :) | 15:05 |
| moguimar | Barbican is fine too | 15:05 |
| bnemec | Cool, glad to hear nothing is on fire. | 15:06 |
| bnemec | #topic Releases | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Releases (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:06 | |
| bnemec | I released the stein backport of the oslo.log fix last week, so all of the supported releases should be fixed. | 15:07 |
| bnemec | I believe hberaud also released a fix for oslo.utils. | 15:07 |
| hberaud | right 4.2.1 | 15:07 |
| bnemec | Otherwise expect the usual set of releases for the week. | 15:09 |
| bnemec | #topic Action items from last meeting | 15:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from last meeting (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:09 | |
| hberaud | I'm waiting for reviews on backports for stables branches for the same fix | 15:09 |
| bnemec | Sounds good, thanks | 15:09 |
| bnemec | "bnemec to release Stein backport(s)" | 15:09 |
| bnemec | Done | 15:09 |
| bnemec | "Anyone who wants to continue receiving courtesy pings should add their name to the Victoria list on the agenda wiki" | 15:10 |
| bnemec | This is ongoing, but it looks like we have a pretty solid list again so call it good progress. | 15:10 |
| bnemec | #action Anyone who wants to continue receiving courtesy pings should add their name to the Victoria list on the agenda wiki | 15:10 |
| bnemec | We'll leave it on for another week. | 15:10 |
| bnemec | "bnemec send email about Victoria ping list" | 15:10 |
| bnemec | Done. Twice actually. :-) | 15:10 |
| bnemec | I had already sent one a few weeks ago. I sent a reminder too though. | 15:11 |
| bnemec | "Oslo cores to fill out contact details on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo#The_Oslo_Team" | 15:11 |
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| bnemec | Partially done. Thanks to everyone who has done that. | 15:11 |
| bnemec | #action Oslo cores to fill out contact details on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo#The_Oslo_Team | 15:11 |
| bnemec | Leaving that one on the list for now too. | 15:11 |
| bnemec | That's all of them. | 15:12 |
| bnemec | #topic Ping list update | 15:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ping list update (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:12 | |
| bnemec | Final reminder that next week we'll be switching to the new ping list. | 15:12 |
| bnemec | Looks like most people have re-upped for this cycle, so that's good to see. :-) | 15:13 |
| bnemec | Of course, the ping list is always updatable, so if you miss the "deadline" it's not too late. | 15:13 |
| bnemec | #topic Oslo core contact details | 15:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Oslo core contact details (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:14 | |
| bnemec | Just a reminder to please add contact details to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo#The_Oslo_Team | 15:14 |
| bnemec | This was part of the contributor docs goal so they know how to get ahold of the core team if necessary. | 15:14 |
| bnemec | It's not mandatory, but it would be nice to have. | 15:15 |
| bnemec | That's it for one-off topics. | 15:16 |
| bnemec | #topic Weekly Wayward Review | 15:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Weekly Wayward Review (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:16 | |
| bnemec | #link https://review.opendev.org/716873 | 15:16 |
| smcginnis | Looks like that's pending responses to hberaud's comments. | 15:17 |
| bnemec | Oh, I've seen that bug. | 15:17 |
| bnemec | I feel like it indicated something else was wrong though. | 15:17 |
| bnemec | Maybe we can just WIP it until hberaud's questions are answered. | 15:18 |
| hberaud | +1 | 15:18 |
| hberaud | also if some of you have spare time please take a look to => https://review.opendev.org/#/c/730884/ | 15:19 |
| bnemec | I wish I could remember what solved the issue for me. I'm pretty confident that just addressing the typeerror didn't actually accomplish much because it was a bogus log record. | 15:19 |
| bnemec | But if it results in a more clear error maybe it's worth changing anyway. | 15:19 |
| bnemec | Oh, eventlet. | 15:21 |
| hberaud | yep... | 15:21 |
| bnemec | hberaud: So this only fixed test_ssl_server? The others still seem to be skipped. | 15:22 |
| hberaud | yep I'll address them trrough follow up patches | 15:22 |
| hberaud | but I think the mechanism will be mostly the same for other tests | 15:23 |
| bnemec | hberaud: Left a question on the review. Otherwise lgtm. | 15:25 |
| hberaud | ack thanks | 15:25 |
| bnemec | #topic Open discussion | 15:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:25 | |
| bnemec | Okay, that's it for the regular agenda. Anything else before we close it out? | 15:26 |
| hberaud | yep, I know several discussions around eventlet switching have been in the past, but I think we should seriously ask us what to do with oslo.service/eventlet in our near future because the list of eventlet issue with recent versions of python is really huge... | 15:26 |
| hberaud | eventlet have really difficulties to stay sync with recent python version | 15:27 |
| hberaud | and we will facing issues too | 15:27 |
| hberaud | (soon) | 15:27 |
| bnemec | This isn't something the Oslo team can really decided. It affects all services that use eventlet. Which is...most of them. | 15:27 |
| hberaud | like this bug ^^^ and the SSL issue with requests in a monkey patched env | 15:27 |
| hberaud | yep I know | 15:28 |
| smcginnis | I've seen a lot of people saying we should move away from eventlet, but does anyone know what an alternative would be? | 15:28 |
| smcginnis | Might be worth starting a ML thread. | 15:28 |
| hberaud | cotyledon | 15:28 |
| hberaud | or a new version based on async | 15:28 |
| bnemec | Yeah, I think this will need to be a list discussion. | 15:28 |
| hberaud | rewrite from scratch... | 15:28 |
| bnemec | Cotyledon isn't a drop-in replacement because it changes the threading model which is likely to break all kinds of things in services that assume green threads. | 15:29 |
| bnemec | That's always been the problem with moving away from eventlet. It's going to be a huge amount of churn and will probably introduce all kinds of tricky concurrency bugs. | 15:29 |
| hberaud | the goal is not to decide alone on oslo but rather try to trigger a move on this topic | 15:30 |
| bnemec | Right, so can you start a mailing list thread that discusses the problems and possible options? | 15:30 |
| hberaud | sure | 15:31 |
| bnemec | Cool | 15:31 |
| bnemec | #action hberaud to start mailing list thread about possibly dropping eventlet | 15:31 |
| bnemec | Anything else? | 15:32 |
| hberaud | nope | 15:32 |
| bnemec | Going once... | 15:34 |
| bnemec | twice... | 15:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Hervé Beraud proposed openstack/oslo.service master: Fix some SSL tests for wsgi module under python 3 https://review.opendev.org/730884 | 15:34 |
| bnemec | Thanks for joining everyone! | 15:34 |
| bnemec | #endmeeting | 15:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Common Libraries | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo" | 15:34 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 15 15:34:56 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:34 |
| hberaud | bnemec: thanks | 15:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2020/oslo.2020-06-15-15.00.html | 15:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2020/oslo.2020-06-15-15.00.txt | 15:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2020/oslo.2020-06-15-15.00.log.html | 15:35 |
| hberaud | bnemec: the sleep was a (forgotten) workaround before I introduced https://review.opendev.org/#/c/735183/1 | 15:36 |
| bnemec | hberaud: I thought that might be the case. | 15:36 |
| bnemec | Not that I've _ever_ done anything like that. ;-) | 15:36 |
| hberaud | bnemec: WFM locally without it so lets wait for the CI now | 15:36 |
| hberaud | bnemec: ahaha I don't judge people that use sleep because I'm part of them too :) | 15:37 |
| hberaud | on a misunderstanding it could be an easy way to fix things... | 15:38 |
| bnemec | I can't imagine there are too many developers who haven't used a debug sleep at some point. | 15:39 |
| hberaud | ;) | 15:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Hervé Beraud proposed openstack/oslo.service master: Raise minimum version if eventlet to 0.25.2 https://review.opendev.org/735183 | 15:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Hervé Beraud proposed openstack/oslo.service master: Fix some SSL tests for wsgi module under python 3 https://review.opendev.org/730884 | 15:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Hervé Beraud proposed openstack/oslo.service master: Raise minimum version of eventlet to 0.25.2 https://review.opendev.org/735183 | 15:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Hervé Beraud proposed openstack/oslo.service master: Fix some SSL tests for wsgi module under python 3 https://review.opendev.org/730884 | 15:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jacob Floyd proposed openstack/tooz master: Implements Group API for the Consul driver https://review.opendev.org/648805 | 16:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jacob Floyd proposed openstack/tooz master: Implements Leader Election API for Consul https://review.opendev.org/735382 | 16:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jacob Floyd proposed openstack/tooz master: Implements Leader Election API for Consul https://review.opendev.org/735382 | 17:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ben Nemec proposed openstack/oslo-specs master: policy: Migrate Default Policy Format from JSON to YAML https://review.opendev.org/733650 | 19:04 |
| smcginnis | stephenfin: Thanks for that ML response. I was having a hard time thinking of a good way to respond to that. :) | 20:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jacob Floyd proposed openstack/tooz master: Implements Leader Election API for Consul https://review.opendev.org/735382 | 21:09 |
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| cognifloyd | Would it be ok to, in a review changeset, comment out most of the checks in .zuul.yaml so that zuul only runs the two checks I'm working to fix and skips the rest? Would that even work, or does zuul only use some kind of "certified" copy of the zuul config? | 21:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Jacob Floyd proposed openstack/tooz master: Implements Leader Election API for Consul https://review.opendev.org/735382 | 21:58 |
| cognifloyd | Is there a better medium for asking questions about development in openstack? irc seems very quiet... | 22:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Jacob Floyd proposed openstack/tooz master: Implements Leader Election API for Consul https://review.opendev.org/735382 | 22:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Jacob Floyd proposed openstack/tooz master: Implements Leader Election API for Consul https://review.opendev.org/735382 | 22:50 |
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