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| openstackgerrit | zhangboye proposed openstack/oslo.config master: Stop testing python2.7 https://review.opendev.org/691576 | 04:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | zhangboye proposed openstack/oslo.db master: Stop testing python2.7 and switch to ussuri jobs https://review.opendev.org/691581 | 05:39 |
| openstackgerrit | zhangboye proposed openstack/oslo.serialization master: Stop testing python2.7 https://review.opendev.org/691582 | 05:40 |
| openstackgerrit | zhangboye proposed openstack/oslo.vmware master: Stop testing python2.7 https://review.opendev.org/691584 | 05:47 |
| openstackgerrit | zhangboye proposed openstack/osprofiler master: Stop testing python2.7 https://review.opendev.org/691587 | 05:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | zhangboye proposed openstack/automaton master: Stop testing python2.7 https://review.opendev.org/691622 | 07:11 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | Any oslo.messaging team members available here? have some random questions. | 08:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/oslo.rootwrap master: reap rootwrap daemon process when it is timeout https://review.opendev.org/691672 | 13:29 |
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| bnemec | #startmeeting oslo | 15:01 |
| bnemec | Courtesy ping for bnemec, jungleboyj, moguimar, hberaud, stephenfin, kgiusti, johnsom, e0ne, redrobot | 15:01 |
| bnemec | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 28 15:01:01 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bnemec. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 15:01 |
| johnsom | o/ | 15:01 |
| jungleboyj | Kind of here. | 15:01 |
| bcafarel | o/ | 15:02 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 15:02 |
| bnemec | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:04 | |
| jungleboyj | Nothing from Cinder. | 15:04 |
| johnsom | Nothing from Octavia. | 15:04 |
| bcafarel | Nothing from Neutron. (trying to respect alignment) | 15:04 |
| bnemec | :-) | 15:05 |
| bnemec | Nothing much happened on the Oslo side, for reasons which I will get into in the next topic. | 15:05 |
| bnemec | #topic Releases | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Releases (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:06 | |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/futurist master: Switch to Ussuri jobs https://review.opendev.org/689907 | 15:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/futurist master: Bump the openstackdocstheme extension to 1.20 https://review.opendev.org/688074 | 15:06 |
| bnemec | I didn't end up being able to do master releases last week because the ussuri deliverables weren't in the release repo yet. | 15:06 |
| bnemec | I did check our queens branches in preparation for that release going to extended maintenance, but there was nothing that needed to be released. | 15:07 |
| bnemec | No action items from last week, so we'll skip that topic. | 15:09 |
| bnemec | #topic PTG/Summit | 15:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG/Summit (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:09 | |
| bnemec | It's next week, so at this point I'm just trying to get all of my ducks in a row. | 15:09 |
| bnemec | I sent out the project update slides to a number of people for review last week. | 15:10 |
| bnemec | This week I'll be recording a version of the presentation since they aren't going to be recording the live one. | 15:10 |
| bnemec | If you think of anything that should be included let me know ASAP. | 15:10 |
| bnemec | I don't know how many people are going to be there, so I'm not sure how much discussion we'll actually get done at the PTG. | 15:11 |
| bnemec | I know Keystone is doing a virtual PTG for the same reason, so maybe we should think about doing the same. | 15:12 |
| bnemec | We'll see how much gets accomplished in Shanghai, and then maybe afterward we can schedule something. | 15:12 |
| bnemec | On a related note: | 15:13 |
| bnemec | #topic No meeting next week | 15:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "No meeting next week (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:13 | |
| bnemec | Since I and a lot of other folks will be in Shanghai next week, we won't have a meeting. | 15:13 |
| bnemec | I'm sure you're all heartbroken. :-) | 15:13 |
| bnemec | That's it for topics this week. | 15:14 |
| bnemec | #topic Weekly Wayward Review | 15:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Weekly Wayward Review (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:14 | |
| bnemec | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/675373/ | 15:14 |
| bnemec | I foolishly ran a backup job on the VM that hosts my stats page, so I'm working off old data here. | 15:15 |
| bnemec | This is a trivial patch that we should be able to merge. | 15:15 |
| bnemec | kgiusti: I guess you're the only oslo core here this week, if you wouldn't mind doing the honors. | 15:15 |
| kgiusti | bnemec: I'd be happy to... | 15:16 |
| bnemec | Thanks! | 15:16 |
| bnemec | #topic Open discussion | 15:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:17 | |
| bnemec | That's it for the regular agenda. Anything else before we make this a short meeting? | 15:17 |
| kgiusti | yep - messaging centric: | 15:17 |
| kgiusti | https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:nats-python+(status:open+OR+status:merged) | 15:17 |
| bnemec | Ah, I saw those. | 15:18 |
| kgiusti | Akira is proposing a new driver - one based on NATS | 15:18 |
| kgiusti | Thoughts? | 15:18 |
| bnemec | What are the odds that we can maintain another driver at this point? | 15:18 |
| kgiusti | Realistically - unlikely. | 15:18 |
| kgiusti | Unless Akira is willing to follow the guidance we've set up awhile ago | 15:19 |
| kgiusti | Where they're commited to supporting it (and there are at least 2 active devs doing so) | 15:19 |
| bnemec | That was kind of my thought as well. | 15:19 |
| kgiusti | In any case we've done these things via feature branches - not on mainline | 15:20 |
| bnemec | At this point I think basically our entire messaging team has been pulled off to work on other things, so we don't have a lot of spare capacity in that area. | 15:20 |
| kgiusti | right - I can reach out to Akira and discuss this further. | 15:21 |
| bnemec | Okay, that sounds like the way to go. | 15:22 |
| kgiusti | I was just wondering what was the driver of this effort - if anyone on the team was aware of the backstory. | 15:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/sphinx-feature-classification master: Remove pypy from default env list https://review.opendev.org/675373 | 15:22 |
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| kgiusti | Ah - Akira72 are you working on the NATS driver? | 15:23 |
| bnemec | Fortuitous timing. :-) | 15:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.concurrency master: Switch to Ussuri jobs https://review.opendev.org/690841 | 15:25 |
| kgiusti | I can follow up in the review otherwise | 15:25 |
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| kgiusti | Akira7216: ping | 15:26 |
| Akira7216 | hi, all | 15:26 |
| bnemec | o/ Akira7216 | 15:27 |
| kgiusti | Hi Akira7216 | 15:27 |
| Akira7216 | Sorry, i just joined now. | 15:27 |
| kgiusti | We were discussing the proposed NATS driver: prohttps://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:nats-python+(status:open+OR+status:merged) | 15:27 |
| Akira7216 | yes, I'm developing it. | 15:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.rootwrap master: Bump the openstackdocstheme extension to 1.20 https://review.opendev.org/688244 | 15:28 |
| kgiusti | Can you give us a little background on the use-case? | 15:28 |
| Akira7216 | ok. | 15:28 |
| Akira7216 | At Japanese OpenStack Opsworkshop, we discussed RabbitMQ ops. | 15:29 |
| Akira7216 | One of the major problems is clustering. | 15:30 |
| Akira7216 | A member said that the best practice is non clustering. | 15:31 |
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| Akira7216 | So, I've tried to create a new driver. for oslo.messaging. | 15:33 |
| Akira7216 | It works fine with nov and cinder. | 15:34 |
| kgiusti | Akira7216: is this driver an alternative to RabbitMQ? | 15:34 |
| Akira7216 | Yes. It works with NATS messaging system. | 15:35 |
| kgiusti | Akira7216: understood. | 15:35 |
| Akira7216 | No need to use RabbitMQ. | 15:35 |
| kgiusti | Akira7216: In general there's a lot of work to get a new driver accepted upstream | 15:36 |
| kgiusti | Akira7216: and most of that work is support. | 15:36 |
| Akira7216 | yes, I know. | 15:37 |
| kgiusti | Akira7216: so the team has a policy to ensure there are folks who can fill the additional support needs: https://docs.openstack.org/oslo.messaging/latest/contributor/supported-messaging-drivers.html#policy | 15:37 |
| Akira7216 | Yes. | 15:38 |
| kgiusti | Akira7216: So before a driver can be upstreamed there has to be a blueprint describing the intent and need for the new driver | 15:39 |
| kgiusti | Akira7216: the blueprint is the first step. | 15:39 |
| Akira7216 | Sorry, I just started writing it. | 15:40 |
| bnemec | Akira7216: Do you think you will be able to meet the requirements kgiusti linked? | 15:41 |
| kgiusti | Akira7216: no worries - I didn't want you to get too far along with the implementation before the team can consider all the other factors involved. | 15:41 |
| kgiusti | Akira7216: to be honest the oslo.messaging team is pretty bare boned at this point - keeping up with the existing drivers keeps the team pretty busy. | 15:41 |
| bnemec | kgiusti: Do we have a spec template for new drivers or is this freeform? | 15:44 |
| kgiusti | bnemec: we should use one of the existing blueprints as an example - maybe Kafka | 15:45 |
| kgiusti | Akira7216: I'll follow up on your code review with more detail | 15:46 |
| bnemec | kgiusti: Sounds good. Can you send a link to Akira7216? | 15:46 |
| bnemec | Perfect, thanks. | 15:46 |
| bnemec | #action kgiusti to followup with Akira7216 about NATS driver for oslo.messaging | 15:46 |
| Akira7216 | Thank you. I'll fill the spec and put it by the next week | 15:47 |
| bnemec | Akira7216: Great, thanks! | 15:48 |
| bnemec | One other thing I want to mention that I forgot to cover earlier: Please don't merge any py27 removal patches in Oslo yet. | 15:48 |
| bnemec | I see some have been proposed, but we can't stop gating on py27 until everyone else does. | 15:48 |
| bnemec | This is going to need to be carefully coordinated so we don't break consumers of Oslo. | 15:49 |
| bnemec | I'll send an email to the list as well since most of our cores aren't here to see this. | 15:49 |
| bnemec | #action Oslo cores to NOT merge py27 removal patches yet | 15:49 |
| bnemec | #action bnemec send email to list about py27 plan for Oslo | 15:49 |
| bnemec | Okay, this ended up being a much longer meeting than I expected. :-) | 15:50 |
| bnemec | Anything else before we close? | 15:50 |
| bnemec | Alright, thanks for joining, everyone who is still here! :-) | 15:53 |
| bnemec | #endmeeting | 15:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Common Libraries | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo" | 15:53 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 28 15:53:27 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2019/oslo.2019-10-28-15.01.html | 15:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2019/oslo.2019-10-28-15.01.txt | 15:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2019/oslo.2019-10-28-15.01.log.html | 15:53 |
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| bnemec | Dinesh_Bhor: I would suggest just asking your questions. If you don't get an answer here, try the mailing list (with and [oslo] tag so the right people see it). | 15:54 |
| bnemec | As discussed in the meeting, the messaging team is a bit stretched thin these days, but we still try to answer questions when we can. | 15:55 |
| lbragstad | bnemec ping | 16:30 |
| bnemec | lbragstad: o/ | 16:31 |
| lbragstad | do you know if there are any actual examples that showcase https://docs.openstack.org/oslo.policy/latest/cli/index.html#oslopolicy-checker ? | 16:31 |
| lbragstad | or is that the extent of the documentation for that command? | 16:32 |
| bnemec | That's pretty much it as far as I know. | 16:33 |
| lbragstad | ok - cool, thanks | 16:33 |
| bnemec | I discussed it with cmurphy a little while ago and we both agreed that it's a crazy hard to use tool. | 16:33 |
| bnemec | You have to know what the target data is going to look like from the service, so it requires _deep_ knowledge of the code. | 16:33 |
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| bnemec | I'm going to cover it in my demo presentation, but probably with a big disclaimer that you don't want to use it. :-) | 16:34 |
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| lbragstad | bnemec bah - it looks like it's broken with system-scoped tokens... | 16:42 |
| lbragstad | that sucks | 16:42 |
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| bnemec | lbragstad: Colleen has a fix up for that, but it timed out in the gate. | 16:42 |
| lbragstad | https://pasted.tech/pastes/40099b64fe50350d9140d2b008e4f28dca99da4b.raw | 16:42 |
| bnemec | Let me find the link. | 16:42 |
| lbragstad | oh - sweet | 16:43 |
| bnemec | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/682783/ | 16:43 |
| lbragstad | bnemec do you get https://pasted.tech/pastes/22ccb21d8376a92f4adb6e981b5fd3676035d9d1.raw ? | 16:48 |
| lbragstad | oslopolicy-checker --policy sample.yaml --access project-admin-token.json is the command i used | 16:48 |
| lbragstad | sample.json is just a generated sample from keystone | 16:48 |
| lbragstad | (nothing crazy i don't think) | 16:48 |
| bnemec | Hmm, I don't think I got that. I wonder if it's related to the cyclical sample rules. | 16:49 |
| bnemec | Maybe I have that patch locally but it hasn't merged yet? | 16:50 |
| lbragstad | do cyclical rules break for you locally? | 16:50 |
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| bnemec | Not sure. My demo environment isn't up yet. | 16:53 |
| hberaud | I faced some network and irc issues today sorry to skipped the meeting | 16:56 |
| bnemec | hberaud: No problem. You already got the main thing, which was to not merge the py27 removal patches. | 16:59 |
| hberaud | bnemec: ack thanks | 17:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Hervé Beraud proposed openstack/automaton master: Move doc requirements into dedicated file https://review.opendev.org/687914 | 18:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.policy master: Modernize policy checker https://review.opendev.org/682783 | 19:32 |
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