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| gsantomaggio | good morning @bnemec | 08:23 |
| gsantomaggio | Hope the answer is clear | 08:23 |
| gsantomaggio | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/683600 | 08:23 |
| gsantomaggio | or better... the comment is clear :) | 08:24 |
| gsantomaggio | and also, Kombu allows different Json Serialization types: | 08:29 |
| gsantomaggio | https://kombu.readthedocs.io/en/stable/userguide/producers.html#serialization | 08:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.messaging master: Align message serialization between drivers https://review.opendev.org/683600 | 09:26 |
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| bnemec | gsantomaggio: Thanks, I left a reply too. I think we're going to need a followup to that patch since it already merged. | 13:43 |
| bnemec | I don't like that the rabbit driver is more strict than the test driver. :-/ | 13:43 |
| gsantomaggio | @bnemec FakeDriver is used only for the tests, is that right? | 13:46 |
| bnemec | gsantomaggio: Yes. Which means other projects are relying on it to prevent them from merging something that will break the other drivers. | 13:47 |
| bnemec | With that patch, it would be possible for a project to start passing oslo.messaging a message that the rabbit driver can't serialize, but it might pass their tests because the fake driver is more lenient. | 13:47 |
| gsantomaggio | the fact now, they are using the same json class | 13:51 |
| gsantomaggio | this is what Kombu uses by default https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/VQShqeCt/Screenshot%20from%202019-09-30%2015-51-53.png | 13:52 |
| gsantomaggio | @bnemec ^^^ | 13:52 |
| gsantomaggio | that should be same used here: | 13:53 |
| gsantomaggio | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/683600/2/oslo_messaging/_drivers/impl_fake.py | 13:53 |
| gsantomaggio | ( right?) | 13:53 |
| gsantomaggio | yes, it is the same | 13:53 |
| bnemec | gsantomaggio: But that patch changed it from json.dumps to jsonutils.dumps. The new function can serialize more object types than json.dumps. | 13:54 |
| gsantomaggio | @bnemec ops you are right | 13:54 |
| gsantomaggio | sorry | 13:54 |
| bnemec | np | 13:55 |
| bnemec | This situation is why I didn't +2 the patch in the first place. The fake driver should be as strict as the strictest real driver and now it's not. | 13:55 |
| bnemec | We can either revert and make it strict again, or we can make the rabbit driver less strict to match. | 13:56 |
| bnemec | I don't currently have a strong opinion on which we do. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that the reason the rabbit driver uses json.dumps is simply that it pre-dates the existence of jsonutils. | 13:57 |
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| gsantomaggio | @bnemec https://github.com/openstack/oslo.serialization/blob/master/oslo_serialization/jsonutils.py#L200 | 14:00 |
| gsantomaggio | Ok so, oslo_serialization.dumps is just a wrapper around | 14:00 |
| gsantomaggio | json.dumps | 14:00 |
| gsantomaggio | > the rabbit driver uses json.dumps | 14:03 |
| gsantomaggio | That's not totally correct | 14:03 |
| gsantomaggio | > the rabbit driver uses json.dumps | 14:03 |
| gsantomaggio | is inside Kombu | 14:03 |
| dansmith | bnemec: Sorry for just seeing it now, but this looks concerning to me: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/683600/2 | 14:03 |
| gsantomaggio | it is not under olso control | 14:03 |
| dansmith | bnemec: er, not seeing it *until* now | 14:03 |
| bnemec | dansmith: I agree. | 14:04 |
| bnemec | gsantomaggio: Right, but you said we could override what kombu uses, didn't you? | 14:04 |
| dansmith | oh I see we're discussing it now :) | 14:04 |
| bnemec | If not, then we need to revert that change. | 14:04 |
| bnemec | Yep, seeing that had merged was my Monday morning welcome back. :-) | 14:05 |
| gsantomaggio | @bnemec teorically yes, but the parameter is not exposed | 14:05 |
| gsantomaggio | so in kombu you can change it, in olso you can't | 14:05 |
| dansmith | bnemec: I didn't see what the strictness was choking on.. usually strict is good for something like this | 14:05 |
| gsantomaggio | see for example: | 14:07 |
| gsantomaggio | https://docs.openstack.org/mitaka/config-reference/compute/rpc.html | 14:07 |
| gsantomaggio | there are a few Kombu paramenters, the JSON serializer is not exported | 14:07 |
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| bnemec | dansmith: Apparently nova was concerned about this: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/09bf71407f4c0d1ddbef89c489ec87c3bca0b7b2/nova/compute/rpcapi.py#L820 | 14:08 |
| dansmith | bnemec: right, but.. oh I see, datetimes | 14:09 |
| dansmith | and jsonutils.dumps() converts those to something portable? | 14:09 |
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| bnemec | gsantomaggio: I don't want it to be configurable by the user, I just want us to be able to tell kombu to use jsonutils. | 14:09 |
| bnemec | dansmith: Yeah, jsonutils has handlers for more types than the regular json module. | 14:09 |
| bnemec | Although it's a little weird to me that round-tripping it like that actually works. | 14:10 |
| dansmith | okay, as long as it's really handling them and not just quietly passing them or doing something dumb | 14:10 |
| dansmith | bnemec: yeah, that seems weird, so I wonder if it's stripping timezones or something | 14:10 |
| gsantomaggio | ok | 14:11 |
| gsantomaggio | just moemnt | 14:11 |
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| bnemec | jsonutils uses to_primitive to serialize: https://github.com/openstack/oslo.serialization/blob/master/oslo_serialization/jsonutils.py#L60 | 14:11 |
| bnemec | I guess it does this with datetimes: https://github.com/openstack/oslo.serialization/blob/master/oslo_serialization/jsonutils.py#L120 | 14:12 |
| dansmith | which is TZ-unaware | 14:12 |
| dansmith | which means it's converting back to a TZ-unaware datetime on the other side | 14:13 |
| gsantomaggio | it should be enough to change https://github.com/openstack/oslo.messaging/blob/master/oslo_messaging/_drivers/impl_rabbit.py#L1221 | 14:13 |
| gsantomaggio | by adding the serialization | 14:13 |
| dansmith | https://github.com/openstack/oslo.utils/blob/master/oslo_utils/timeutils.py#L40 | 14:13 |
| bnemec | dansmith: Do you see a problem with using jsonutils for this? | 14:16 |
| bnemec | Especially if projects are already using it to pre-serialize before passing messages to us. | 14:16 |
| dansmith | bnemec: well, like I said in my review, converting to it now means that we'll generate a different on-the-wire format which older services will choke on | 14:16 |
| dansmith | if datetimes are the reason, and we just silently generate a string of a certain format, the other side may do something weird, | 14:17 |
| dansmith | so I dunno | 14:17 |
| dansmith | like if I'm running a train conductor which is sending messages to a stein compute | 14:17 |
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| dansmith | I guess theoretically we shouldn't have that situation because we'd be failing at the sender right now, but it pushes the failure to the receiver which will be a lot harder to debug | 14:18 |
| dansmith | I like to be ultra conservative in stuff like this, so I lean towards no change, but... | 14:18 |
| bnemec | That's true, this way projects have to be explicit about what they're doing. | 14:20 |
| dansmith | yup, especially given this will silently drop the TZ, so if they hand a GMT datetime to the rpc layer, it will come out as a local one on the other end (well, undefined really) | 14:21 |
| dansmith | I definitely understand the desire to just have that work though | 14:21 |
| bnemec | Okay, I'm going to propose a revert. | 14:23 |
| bnemec | That patch alone is definitely wrong, and it's not clear to me that we should be changing this behavior. | 14:24 |
| bnemec | I'll send an email to the list explaining the reasoning and we can discuss it with the wider audience there. | 14:24 |
| dansmith | sounds good to me | 14:24 |
| gsantomaggio | @bnemec teorically we can do something like: | 14:25 |
| gsantomaggio | ``` | 14:25 |
| gsantomaggio | self._producer.publish( | 14:25 |
| gsantomaggio | msg, | 14:25 |
| gsantomaggio | mandatory=transport_options.at_least_once if | 14:25 |
| gsantomaggio | transport_options else False, | 14:25 |
| gsantomaggio | exchange=exchange, | 14:25 |
| gsantomaggio | routing_key=routing_key, | 14:25 |
| gsantomaggio | expiration=timeout, | 14:25 |
| gsantomaggio | compression=self.kombu_compression, | 14:25 |
| gsantomaggio | serializer="jsonutils.JSONECndoder") | 14:25 |
| gsantomaggio | ``` | 14:25 |
| gsantomaggio | * `jsonutils.JSONEncoder` | 14:25 |
| gsantomaggio | or something like that | 14:25 |
| gsantomaggio | but it does not work :( | 14:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Ben Nemec proposed openstack/oslo.messaging master: Revert "Align message serialization between drivers" https://review.opendev.org/685724 | 14:30 |
| bnemec | gsantomaggio: That's okay, it's not clear to me that we want to change this anyway. I'm going to send an email to the list explaining why I proposed a revert. | 14:31 |
| gsantomaggio | @bnemec ok | 14:33 |
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| moguimar | bnemec: meeting? | 15:01 |
| bnemec | #startmeeting oslo | 15:02 |
| bnemec | Courtesy ping for bnemec, jungleboyj, moguimar, hberaud, kgiusti, redrobot, stephenfin, johnsom, gsantomaggio | 15:02 |
| bnemec | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 30 15:02:30 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bnemec. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 15:02 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 15:02 |
| moguimar | o/ | 15:02 |
| bnemec | Fighting with server parts that don't want to fit. :-/ | 15:03 |
| gsantomaggio | o/ | 15:03 |
| stephenfin | o/ | 15:04 |
| jungleboyj | :-( I am doing that with a computer for Church. | 15:04 |
| jungleboyj | Need some weird power connector for the SATA drive from the motherboard. | 15:04 |
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| bnemec | That's annoying. | 15:05 |
| bnemec | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:06 | |
| bnemec | Other than hardware issues, any problems to report? | 15:06 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, having to order some weird part from China. | 15:06 |
| jungleboyj | No Red Flags from Cinder. | 15:06 |
| jungleboyj | Our RC is out. Hopefully all is well. | 15:06 |
| moguimar | No flags from Barbican. | 15:06 |
| bnemec | We're still not doing releases for Oslo right now, so I don't expect any new issues to occur. | 15:06 |
| bnemec | I think that's all of our present liaisons, so... | 15:08 |
| bnemec | #topic Releases | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Releases (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:08 | |
| bnemec | As I noted, we won't do any master releases until Train ships, just in case a feature release would be needed on the stable branch. | 15:09 |
| bnemec | That would probably only happen if we needed to bump a requirement or something. | 15:09 |
| bnemec | As a result, not much else to say on this topic. | 15:09 |
| bnemec | #topic Action items from last meeting | 15:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from last meeting (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:09 | |
| bnemec | "bnemec to send email about courtesy ping list for Ussuri" | 15:10 |
| bnemec | Done | 15:10 |
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| bnemec | "Anyone who wishes to continue receiving courtesy pings needs to add themselves to the new list in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo#Agenda_Template" | 15:10 |
| bnemec | I see a few people have added their names to the new list, so I'm going to say this one is good too. | 15:10 |
| bnemec | "Anyone interested in being Oslo PTL for V cycle contact bnemec ASAP" | 15:11 |
| bnemec | I had one other person contact me about this, not for V but for a possible future cycle. | 15:11 |
| bnemec | So I have a couple of people I'll be including on PTL stuff for this cycle. | 15:12 |
| bnemec | Thanks for stepping up. :-) | 15:12 |
| bnemec | And that's it for action items. | 15:12 |
| bnemec | #topic oslo.messaging fake driver revert | 15:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "oslo.messaging fake driver revert (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:12 | |
| bnemec | I sent an email to the list about this too, but I've proposed a revert of the JSON serialization patch that merged over the weekend. | 15:13 |
| bnemec | It makes the fake driver less strict about what it will accept than the rabbit driver, and that's not good. | 15:13 |
| bnemec | For more details, see the IRC scrollback or my email. | 15:14 |
| bnemec | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-September/009812.html | 15:14 |
| bnemec | I don't have a lot else to say about that and I think I'd prefer to keep future discussion mostly on the list/revert review since this is a cross-project thing. | 15:15 |
| bnemec | #topic oslo.messaging devstack plugins | 15:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "oslo.messaging devstack plugins (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:15 | |
| bnemec | kgiusti: ansmith_: This one is mostly for you. | 15:15 |
| kgiusti | kk | 15:16 |
| bnemec | I submitted the change to branch the messaging devstack plugins last week, and I'm pretty sure there were no meaningful changes to either of them. | 15:16 |
| bnemec | Do we want to keep branching them? | 15:16 |
| kgiusti | I'm conflicted - I just got back from vaca and need to think about this a bit | 15:17 |
| bnemec | kgiusti: Okay, no worries. We don't really need an answer until next cycle so you've got time. :-) | 15:18 |
| kgiusti | still catching up on email ;) | 15:18 |
| kgiusti | bnemec: +1 | 15:18 |
| bnemec | Okay, just wanted to get that one out there, so we can move on. | 15:19 |
| bnemec | #topic Ping list for Ussuri | 15:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ping list for Ussuri (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:19 | |
| bnemec | Another reminder that in the near future I'll be clearing the ping list and switching to the new Ussuri one on the agenda. | 15:19 |
| bnemec | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo#Agenda_Template | 15:19 |
| bnemec | If you want to continue receiving courtesy pings at the start of the Oslo meeting you'll need to indicate that by adding yourself to the new list. | 15:20 |
| bnemec | And that's pretty much it for that topic too. | 15:21 |
| bnemec | #topic Oslo project update topics | 15:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Oslo project update topics (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:21 | |
| bnemec | We have a project update slot at the Shanghai summit, so I've started collecting topics for the presentation. | 15:21 |
| bnemec | I'm tracking them on the oslo etherpad. | 15:21 |
| bnemec | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-shanghai-topics | 15:21 |
| bnemec | It's the first topic on the list. | 15:22 |
| bnemec | If you have anything you think should be mentioned that isn't already there, please feel free to add it. | 15:22 |
| bnemec | For the moment just a one line summary is enough. I'll ask for more details as we get closer if I need them. | 15:22 |
| bnemec | As a reminder, this talk is basically about what we did, what we're currently working on, and what we're planning to work on in the future. | 15:23 |
| bnemec | So anything that fits those categories is fair game. | 15:23 |
| bnemec | #action Add items to the project update topic list in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-shanghai-topics as appropriate | 15:24 |
| bnemec | That's it for agenda topics, and I'm still skipping the wayward review until train ships, so... | 15:25 |
| bnemec | #topic Open discussion | 15:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:25 | |
| bnemec | Anything else before we call it? | 15:26 |
| bnemec | Alright, thanks for joining everyone! | 15:29 |
| bnemec | #endmeeting | 15:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Common Libraries | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo" | 15:29 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 30 15:29:08 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2019/oslo.2019-09-30-15.02.html | 15:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2019/oslo.2019-09-30-15.02.txt | 15:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2019/oslo.2019-09-30-15.02.log.html | 15:29 |
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