Monday, 2018-09-24

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jaosoriormoguimar: if you get a chance could you review these https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:bp/pluggable-policy-drivers ?07:20
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moguimaron it jaosorior08:11
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stephenfinAnyone that isn't bnemec fancy getting this one and its predecessor in? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/583525/09:58
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stephenfindhellmann: When you're about, could you take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/580417/ ?10:42
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo.cache master: Imported Translations from Zanata  https://review.openstack.org/60302910:49
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openstackgerritMerged openstack-dev/pbr master: Fix typo in contribution instructions.  https://review.openstack.org/60128111:14
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo.limit master: Ignore documentation builds  https://review.openstack.org/60316711:50
openstackgerritStephen Finucane proposed openstack-dev/pbr master: Add an option to skip generating RELEASENOTES.rst  https://review.openstack.org/58720412:06
openstackgerritStephen Finucane proposed openstack-dev/pbr master: docs: Add docs for reno integration  https://review.openstack.org/60475412:06
openstackgerritStephen Finucane proposed openstack-dev/pbr master: Remove my_ip from generated wsgi script  https://review.openstack.org/60132512:07
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo.concurrency master: Use templates for cover and lower-constraints  https://review.openstack.org/60069612:24
jaosoriordhellmann: could you check this out if you have a chance https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:bp/pluggable-policy-drivers ?12:30
jaosoriorbeekneemech: ^^12:30
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dhellmannstephenfin , jaosorior : I've added those to my review queue for this week12:38
jaosoriordhellmann: thanks12:39
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openstackgerritLance Bragstad proposed openstack/oslo.limit master: Render API reference documentation  https://review.openstack.org/60026413:23
openstackgerritLance Bragstad proposed openstack/oslo.limit master: Add a conceptual overview to docs  https://review.openstack.org/60026513:23
openstackgerritLance Bragstad proposed openstack/oslo.limit master: Allow ProjectClaims to support multiple resources  https://review.openstack.org/60026613:23
openstackgerritLance Bragstad proposed openstack/oslo.limit master: Use openstackdocstheme for documentation  https://review.openstack.org/60086613:24
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openstackgerritMerged openstack-dev/cookiecutter master: Update the outdated URL in README.rst  https://review.openstack.org/60459813:59
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openstackgerritVishakha Agarwal proposed openstack/oslo.limit master: Make callbacks required for enforcement  https://review.openstack.org/60479514:14
bnemec#startmeeting oslo15:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Sep 24 15:00:58 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is bnemec. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'oslo'15:01
bnemeccourtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, ansmith, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims15:01
bnemeccourtesy ping for dougwig, e0ne, electrocucaracha, flaper87, garyk, gcb, haypo15:01
bnemeccourtesy ping for jd__, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz, lhx_, njohnston15:01
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bnemec#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting15:01
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bnemec#topic Red flags for/from liaisons15:03
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jungleboyjNothing exciting from me.15:03
bnemecLots of oslo releases went out today, so if you run into any problems let us know ASAP.15:03
dhellmannit will probably take a while for all of the constraint updates to land15:05
bnemecAh, that's true.15:05
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bnemecSo I guess just keep in mind that the first Oslo stein releases went out this week.15:06
bnemecOn that note,15:06
bnemec#topic Releases15:06
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bnemecWe should be back to business as usual now, so expect weekly releases of master.15:07
bnemecSince we just released all the things, I may hold off this week until we can get oslo.messaging ready for its major release.15:07
bnemecI think there were still one or two patches pending for that.15:08
kgiustibnemec: there are two, but I think they can go in now15:08
kgiustibnemec: I've reached out to the two remaining projects - no response15:08
bnemeckgiusti: Yeah, that was my recollection as well.15:09
bnemecThe tacker patch merged, so IMHO we're good to go.15:09
bnemecIt doesn't look like the other two are going to merge anytime soon.15:09
kgiustibnemec: yeah, I'm going to approve the outstanding two o.m. patches unless anyone disagrees15:09
bnemeckgiusti: Nope, good with me. I only held off last week to give the tacker patch a little time to settle.15:10
bnemecNot sure what I was expecting to happen, but I guess it was a little grace time to find any potential problems with it before we do the removal.15:11
bnemecAnyway, I'm good with merging the last removal.15:11
kgiustibnemec: kk stay tuned....15:11
bnemeckgiusti: That was it though, right? Nothing else we should wait on that you know of?15:12
kgiustibnemec: that's the last of the outstanding removals IIRC15:12
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kgiustibnemec: so go for it.15:13
bnemecOkay, as soon as that merges I'll do releases for the week then.15:13
bnemec#topic Action items from last meeting15:14
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bnemec"kgiusti to contact tacker team about removing transport_url"15:14
bnemecDone, as discussed above15:14
bnemec"kgiusti to send message to openstack-dev for meteos and daisycloud about transport_url"15:14
bnemecLikewise15:14
bnemec"review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/561731"15:14
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bnemecAh, done. Good. :-)15:15
bnemecThat was it for action items.15:15
bnemec" oslo.upgradecheck core list"15:16
bnemecThe governance patch merged last week, but I still don't seem to be able to populate the core list for the new project.15:16
dhellmannbnemec : you probably need to ask the infra team to add you to the existing group15:16
dhellmannthat's a manual step from someone with gerrit admin rights15:16
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dhellmannyeah, https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/1946,members is empty15:17
bnemecdhellmann: Ah, okay. I probably need to go back to the new project guide. That's probably the next documented step. :-)15:17
dhellmannprobably :-)15:17
dhellmannI also propose we add mriedeman to that group15:17
bnemecThis was kind of a heads up that I'm aware it needs to be taken care of and I'll get on it this week.15:18
bnemecdhellmann: Agreed.15:18
dhellmannhe's the goal champion, after all :-)15:18
bnemecI was planning to do that in an EAFP fashion.15:18
bnemecPlus he wrote most of the actual code in the repo. ;-)15:19
dhellmannthat also15:19
bnemec#action bnemec to add mriedem to oslo.upgradecheck core list when possible15:20
bnemec#action bnemec to follow up on populating oslo.upgradecheck core group15:20
bnemec#topic Storyboard15:20
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bnemec#link https://storyboard-dev.openstack.org/#!/project_group/oslo15:20
bnemecOur test import is done.15:20
bnemecI have some questions after looking it over. I don't know if anyone else has had a chance to try it out yet.15:21
bnemecMy questions may be more for the storyboard team than here, but I'm happy to discuss it more if anyone wants.15:21
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jungleboyjbnemec:  What are the questions.  I have been investigating SB for a little bit.15:23
bnemecAnd please do take the test import for a spin to make sure we aren't hitting any weird edge cases with our 40 projects. :-)15:23
bnemecjungleboyj: I noticed that we have fewer stories open than we had bugs in launchpad.15:24
bnemecThat was one.15:24
bnemecAlso, it looks like we lost all prioritization?15:24
bnemecI think we're supposed to use tags for that now, so is there some way to map lp prio to tags?15:24
bnemecOr maybe I just haven't found the correct view yet.15:25
jungleboyjIntersting on the missing bugs.  I thought it should be a 1 to 1 mapping there.15:25
jungleboyjSo, perhaps that is something to take up with diablo_rojo if you can figure out what went missing.15:25
jungleboyjThere is no concept of prioritization in LP.15:25
bnemecThat's what I was expecting, but it's possible there was some de-duping that happened if, say, two oslo projects were on the same bug.15:25
jungleboyjbnemec:  Oh, that is possible.15:25
bnemecMaybe lp counts that as two bugs and storyboard only counts it once.15:25
jungleboyjThere were complaints at the PTG about no prioritization but it isn't a concept that Storyboard uses.15:26
jungleboyjSo, if you want to prioritize you will need to come up with a system to use tags to do so.15:26
bnemecYeah, which I'm okay with doing, but I don't want to manually apply it to 266 stories if I can help it.15:27
dhellmannthe intent is to use a worklist to manage priority ordering15:27
dhellmannor tags, as jungleboyj says15:27
jungleboyjWhat I am planning to do for Cinder is to start by writing documentation as to how we will use storyboard as our design process and then mock it up before we actually start using it.15:27
dhellmannalthough that's up for discussion again since some downstream consumers want to have some sort of field on the story15:27
jungleboyjAs we discussed it we discovered we have a lot of room for improvement and going to try to fix things now.15:28
jungleboyjdhellmann:  ++ and you can use the tags to create the priority lists.15:28
dhellmanntrue15:29
bnemecYeah, so I think this may be partially a question of me learning how this is intended to work.15:29
jungleboyjbnemec:  ++ and deciding how you want to use it.15:29
bnemecI just spent a cycle triaging 100+ bugs, so I'd rather not have that work go to waste. ;-)15:29
dhellmannit might be worth starting a thread on the mailing list about the priority thing again, because we now have at least 3 teams working around that behavior15:29
jungleboyjI spent a lot of time at the ptg talking to TheJulia about how they are and aren't using it and spent time with the SB team trying to better understand.15:30
jungleboyjdhellmann:  Perhaps.  It seems like they address things based on the amount of need.  :-)15:30
dhellmannthey're a small team, like everyone else15:31
jungleboyjdhellmann:  Yeah.  That is true.15:31
dhellmannin this case I think there may be a need to convince them that this is actually something people do use15:31
dhellmannthat was not the impression early on when SB was being designed15:31
jungleboyjbnemec:  You aren't alone.  tbarron and I are working through this and helping each other somewhat.15:31
bnemecI guess it's fair to point out that so far priority has been a write once, read never field for me.15:32
bnemecBut that's only because I was focused on triaging, not fixing.15:32
bnemecI was hoping to get to the latter this cycle. :-)15:32
jungleboyjdhellmann:  I think some of this is generational.  That team is more used to Trello and Jira versus tradition bug tracking and prioritization.  :-)15:32
dhellmannpossibly15:32
jungleboyjWe haven't used priority so much so I am less concerned about that.15:33
bnemecSounds like we definitely need a broader discussion on this, anyway.15:33
bnemec#action send mail to list about storyboard priorities15:33
bnemec#action bnemec send mail to list about disparity between story count and bug count15:33
dhellmannmordred : this feels like something we should not set, if the PyPA folks are updating twine in advance of breaking changes to the API15:34
dhellmannoops, wrong window15:34
jungleboyjbnemec:  Sounds good.15:35
bnemec#topic  Castellan 1.0?15:35
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bnemecI meant to bring this up during the releases topic, but I forgot.15:35
bnemecdhellmann: mentioned that we should probably do this on the release review.15:35
bnemecI guess we need to sync with the barbican team on this?15:36
bnemec(that probably shouldn't be a ?)15:36
bnemecSo maybe this is another one we need to take to the list.15:37
bnemecLook at us being a good example of using the mailing list. :-)15:37
dhellmann++15:38
bnemecOkay15:39
bnemec#action send mail about castellan 1.015:39
bnemec#topic Weekly Wayward Review15:40
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bnemec#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/520043/15:40
bnemecSince the implementation of this is about done, we should really decide what to do with the spec.15:40
dhellmanndoes the spec match the implementation? :-)15:41
bnemecIt appears to be a bit out of date. We aren't using a separate mapping file anymore.15:41
ducnv_yes, we using machine readable config now15:42
bnemecThe many to one mapping is still an outstanding question, so maybe that could be split into separate spec.15:43
bnemecOr we could just hash it out on the review, since that's sort of an implementation detail.15:43
bnemecI guess we deferred the dynamic group behavior too?15:44
dhellmannI think we deferred all of the hard stuff, yes15:44
bnemecThat's probably handled by the warning on non-existent options.15:45
bnemecThe dynamic group options will get dumped out when the tool runs and people will have to migrate those manually for now.15:45
bnemecI guess that would have been a valid argument for keeping missing options in the output file. :-/15:46
bnemecWhich I -1'd.15:46
bnemecWe can change that behavior later if we want though.15:46
bnemecducnv_: Can you update that spec to reflect the current design?15:47
ducnv_yes, I will15:47
bnemecWe should probably have something we can point at when going to the other projects to ask them to implement the mapping features.15:48
ducnv_so what should we do?15:50
bnemec#action ducnv_ to update config migrator spec15:50
bnemecducnv_: I left some comments on the review about things that need to be updated.15:51
bnemecIt may not be a complete list, but it's what I noticed reading through it quickly here.15:51
ducnv_i've seen, I will add docs for migrator tool soon.15:52
ducnv_for the follow up patch (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/603060/2), do you have any comment about logic of code.15:52
bnemecducnv_: I have not had a chance to look at that yet.15:53
bnemec#topic Open discussion15:54
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ducnv_bnemec ok, np15:54
bnemecWe should probably get moguimar into the ping list.15:54
dhellmannfyi, we had some issues with the release jobs so while the releases worked the constraint updates and announcements weren't sent15:55
dhellmannwe're working on that15:55
bnemecdhellmann: Sounds good. Is there anything we need to do once that's fixed?15:55
dhellmannno15:55
bnemecCool. I like problems that solve themselves. :-)15:56
bnemec(sort of)15:56
bnemec#action add moguimar to ping list15:58
bnemecThat's all I've got. Anything else in the last two minutes?15:58
bnemecMake that one minute15:59
bnemecOkay, thanks for joining everyone!16:00
bnemec#endmeeting16:00
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jungleboyjThanks Ben!16:00
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openstackgerritBen Nemec proposed openstack/oslo.tools master: Add moguimar to ping list  https://review.openstack.org/60482816:01
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bnemec"After the review is approved and groups are created ask the Infra team to add you to both groups in Gerrit"16:28
openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo.messaging master: Use templates for cover and lower-constraints  https://review.openstack.org/60069716:28
bnemecHey look, literally the next sentence after the "Wait here" section in the project creators guide. ;-)16:29
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo.messaging master: Remove rpc_backend and ConfFixture.transport_driver  https://review.openstack.org/58091016:49
openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo.messaging master: Add release note about deprecated option removals  https://review.openstack.org/60164716:49
bnemecShip it!16:58
kgiustibnemec: hey ben - just fyi, ansmith and I are taking the next month off - ttyl!16:58
bnemeckgiusti: lol16:59
kgiustibnemec: /joke16:59
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openstackgerritBen Nemec proposed openstack/oslo.upgradecheck master: Add reno support  https://review.openstack.org/60445219:43
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bnemecHeh, I*1337*a67c5244c7c370beb03dfef1806c8dec709f19:52
bnemecBest change id ever. :-)19:52
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openstackgerritBen Nemec proposed openstack/oslotest master: Fix nits in timeout change  https://review.openstack.org/60489220:12
bnemecgit-nit ftw20:13
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dhellmannbnemec : we should add that reno stuff to the cookiecutter20:15
dhellmannalso, \o/ git-nit20:16
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslotest master: Add DEFAULT_TIMEOUT and TIMEOUT_SCALING_FACTOR  https://review.openstack.org/60461620:24
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openstackgerritBen Nemec proposed openstack/oslo.limit master: Fix doc grammar/spelling nits  https://review.openstack.org/60490720:49
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo.limit master: Render API reference documentation  https://review.openstack.org/60026422:32
openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo.limit master: Add a conceptual overview to docs  https://review.openstack.org/60026522:32
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo.limit master: Fix doc grammar/spelling nits  https://review.openstack.org/60490723:54
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