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| bnemec | #startmeeting oslo | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 23 15:00:18 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bnemec. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 15:00 |
| bnemec | courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, ansmith, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims | 15:00 |
| bnemec | courtesy ping for dougwig, e0ne, electrocucaracha, flaper87, garyk, gcb, haypo | 15:00 |
| bnemec | courtesy ping for jd__, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz, lhx_, raildo | 15:00 |
| bnemec | courtesy ping for redrobot, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, stephenfin, stevemar, therve | 15:00 |
| bnemec | courtesy ping for thinrichs, toabctl, zhiyan, zxy, zzzeek | 15:00 |
| gcb | o/ | 15:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 15:00 |
| namnh | o/ | 15:00 |
| kgiusti | hi! | 15:00 |
| ansmith | o/ | 15:00 |
| stephenfin | o/ | 15:01 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 15:01 |
| bnemec | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:02 | |
| jungleboyj | Nothing from Cinder. | 15:02 |
| bnemec | I can't think of anything we've done that should cause anyone grief, so we can probably move on then. | 15:03 |
| bnemec | #topic Releases for Rocky | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Releases for Rocky (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:03 | |
| bnemec | The usual set last week. Expect a bunch more this week for the eventlet uncapping changes. | 15:04 |
| bnemec | I also need to go through the stable branches and release those. I'm pretty sure there are some changes piled up on them. | 15:04 |
| bnemec | #topic Action items from last meeting | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from last meeting (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:05 | |
| bnemec | "finish merging eventlet uncapping patches" | 15:05 |
| bnemec | I believe that's done. | 15:05 |
| bnemec | I didn't see any more oslo projects in the topic. | 15:05 |
| bnemec | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open++topic:uncap-eventlet | 15:05 |
| bnemec | "Oslo cores to single approve python 3 tox changes" | 15:05 |
| bnemec | Also done. I +1'd the project-config patch Friday to switch all of our repos over to run gate jobs using python 3. | 15:06 |
| bnemec | I didn't notice if it merged yet, but expect that to be coming soon. | 15:06 |
| bnemec | "fix up any python 3 tox changes that need additional work" | 15:06 |
| bnemec | Must have been done since we merged all the things. :-) | 15:07 |
| bnemec | "bnemec to check on missing onboarding session" | 15:07 |
| bnemec | Done: https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2018/summit-schedule/events/21645/oslo-project-onboarding | 15:07 |
| bnemec | Apparently there was a problem on the backend that caused it to get lost. | 15:07 |
| bnemec | But it's back now so we should be good to go. | 15:07 |
| bnemec | "kgiusti to look into pip-check-reqs with pip 10" | 15:08 |
| kgiusti | https://github.com/r1chardj0n3s/pip-check-reqs/issues/17 | 15:08 |
| kgiusti | Looks to me that this project may be pushing up the daisies | 15:08 |
| kgiusti | If that's indeed the case, what should we do going forward? | 15:09 |
| bnemec | Hmm, yeah. | 15:09 |
| kgiusti | drop the test, or fork and fix (and own) :( | 15:09 |
| bnemec | I guess it depends on how much we value the ability to automatically check for missing reqs. | 15:09 |
| kgiusti | I did not look for a supported alternative | 15:09 |
| kgiusti | I would imagine if folks found it valuable there'd be an effort (or an alternative)? | 15:10 |
| kgiusti | seems like a pretty nice tool to have IMHO | 15:11 |
| stephenfin | kgiusti: I'm guessing the alternative is pipfiles | 15:11 |
| stephenfin | (side note: morded's recent comments on same on openstack-dev are worth a read) | 15:11 |
| kgiusti | stephenfin: ah - didn't see that... | 15:12 |
| stephenfin | tbh, I don't think anyone is really using it. Only today I saw a patch adding pika to a project because oslo.db (I think?) dropped it | 15:13 |
| bnemec | Does that have functionality for checking missing requirements? | 15:13 |
| bnemec | oslo.messaging dropped pika because we didn't think anyone was using it. :-/ | 15:13 |
| stephenfin | bnemec: It works somewhat differently. You've got the handwritten Pipfile to track what you think are your dependencies (usually versioned in a range or unversioned) | 15:14 |
| kgiusti | fyi: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-April/129187.html | 15:14 |
| stephenfin | then a Pipfile.lock file which has _all_ the dependencies + specific versions | 15:14 |
| stephenfin | aye, mordred really details it well in that post | 15:14 |
| bnemec | Yeah, I've seen the thread, but I have to admit I haven't gotten all the way through it. | 15:15 |
| stephenfin | I guess it doesn't solve the problem but it would mitigate it, assuming you're using Pipfile.lock | 15:15 |
| bnemec | It's kind of above my pay grade as far as requirements management goes. :-) | 15:15 |
| stephenfin | and I only care because of pbr :) | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | pipfiles solve a different problem than this | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | they solve the problem we've solved by using a constraints list | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | the problem we have is that we depend on things that we don't realize | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | pika is a great example | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | why is anyone using pika if oslo.messaging's driver is no longer supported? | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | are they using it directly? | 15:17 |
| bnemec | That's a good question | 15:17 |
| dhellmann | or are they using it indirectly via another project (taskflow?) that doesn't have the dependency listed? | 15:17 |
| dhellmann | or that *does* have it listed but uses an extras entry and they don't know how to use that? | 15:18 |
| stephenfin | dhellmann: I'm not sure. It was a random networking project | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | pika appears in the lower constraints for *tons* of projects | 15:18 |
| stephenfin | I only saw it because I was reviewing a sphinxcontrib-apidoc patch | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | http://paste.openstack.org/show/719753 | 15:18 |
| kgiusti | dhellmann: http://codesearch.openstack.org/?q=pika%3A%2F%2F&i=nope&files=&repos= | 15:19 |
| kgiusti | leads me to believe these pika deps are not oslo.messaging related | 15:19 |
| kgiusti | since there's no obvious use of the pika:// o.m. transport driver | 15:19 |
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| bnemec | Or they didn't document it | 15:20 |
| dhellmann | I see it in a bunch of charm files; I wonder if charms are configuring oslo.messaging to use it? | 15:20 |
| dhellmann | http://codesearch.openstack.org/?q=pika&i=nope&files=requirements.txt&repos= | 15:20 |
| dhellmann | networking-cisco seems to use it directly | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | http://codesearch.openstack.org/?q=pika&i=nope&files=.*%5C.py&repos= | 15:21 |
| stephenfin | dhellmann: Ha, that was the one I reviewed :) | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | anyway, I didn't mean to side-track things | 15:21 |
| stephenfin | https://review.openstack.org/557307 | 15:21 |
| stephenfin | yeah, likewise | 15:22 |
| kgiusti | that's a possibility, but we've never seen activity on the pika driver in terms of dev, bugs, etc beyond the devs IIRC | 15:22 |
| bnemec | Ah, good, so they're not using the o.m driver at least. | 15:22 |
| bnemec | It looks like charms are using pika directly too. | 15:22 |
| bnemec | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/charm-ceilometer/tree/charmhelpers/contrib/openstack/amulet/utils.py | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | so maybe the charms use it because that's how juju works? I don't know | 15:23 |
| bnemec | "Establish and return a pika amqp connection to the rabbitmq service running on a rmq juju unit." | 15:23 |
| bnemec | Sounds like it. | 15:23 |
| kgiusti | yep | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | I wonder why so many projects have it in their lower-constraints.txt list now, but that may be because they're using an older version of oslo.messaging that still has it as a dependency | 15:24 |
| bnemec | It's possible. Maybe we stopped syncing requirements before we removed pika from o.m. | 15:25 |
| dhellmann | well, those lower-bounds can be pretty low in some cases | 15:26 |
| bnemec | It looks like quite a few of them only have it in their test-requirements too. | 15:27 |
| kgiusti | looks like no one hardcoded pika as an oslo.messaging transport, but perhaps the deps are there to allow deployers to configure pika via transport_url cfg item? | 15:27 |
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| bnemec | Oh, actually all of the test-requirements are also charms. | 15:28 |
| kgiusti | if that's the case, they'd need to modify the config to use rabbit in transport_url instead - as described in the release notes. | 15:29 |
| kgiusti | Assuming they've been ignoring the big scary log message telling them to use rabbit for the last two releases.... | 15:29 |
| bnemec | Okay, well maybe we need to pick this up after the meeting. | 15:29 |
| kgiusti | +1 | 15:29 |
| bnemec | #action Investigate why pika is in so many lower-constraints files | 15:30 |
| kgiusti | Have we settled the missing req issue :) ? | 15:30 |
| kgiusti | should we at least remove the test from tox.ini? | 15:30 |
| bnemec | I'm kind of inclined to leave it be for the moment and see if anyone complains or provides a fix PR. | 15:31 |
| bnemec | Technically the issue has only been open a week. | 15:31 |
| kgiusti | ok, let's do that then. | 15:31 |
| stephenfin | I'd kill it as it seems like cruft. However, I'm happy to be overruled :) | 15:31 |
| bnemec | Although given that Richard seems to have kind of disappeared for the past couple of years I don't feel great about the chances of it getting fixed. | 15:31 |
| bnemec | I guess I don't feel strongly about it. Maybe start an ML thread and see if anyone cares enough about it to own it? | 15:32 |
| bnemec | If not, remove. | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | here's the source of those lower-constraints entries: "Collecting pika-pool>=0.1.3 (from oslo.messaging==5.36.0)" | 15:35 |
| bnemec | #action Send email about pip-check-reqs to gauge interest in keeping it | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | so those are OK | 15:35 |
| bnemec | Cool | 15:36 |
| bnemec | #topic PTG attendance | 15:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG attendance (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:37 | |
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| bnemec | The Foundation wants to know if we need a room at the PTG in Denver. | 15:37 |
| bnemec | I realize it's pretty early, but I assume enough of us will be there that I should request one? | 15:37 |
| kgiusti | Denver? I thought it was Berlin.... | 15:38 |
| bnemec | That's the Forum. | 15:38 |
| kgiusti | ack - thanks | 15:38 |
| jungleboyj | I have registered the Cinder team. I am assuming we will have enough people again. | 15:39 |
| bnemec | Huh, I can't find the email that announced it. | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | I'll definitely be in Denver in september | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | week of the 10th I think | 15:39 |
| bnemec | Oh, they spelled out PTG: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-April/129564.html | 15:39 |
| bnemec | Yeah, the 10th-14th. | 15:40 |
| dhellmann | yeah, we're also likely to see that rebranded since we'll have some operator sessions going on that week, too | 15:40 |
| bnemec | Note the early deadline for cheap-ish tickets too. | 15:40 |
| bnemec | After May 11 it costs twice as much. | 15:41 |
| dhellmann | register early and often | 15:41 |
| bnemec | Even the early bird rate is double what it used to be. | 15:41 |
| dhellmann | yes, that's part of making the event more sustainable | 15:41 |
| dhellmann | still a work-in-progress | 15:41 |
| bnemec | Yeah, I can't imagine how $100 covered everything. | 15:41 |
| bnemec | Obviously it didn't. :-) | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | it didn't, that sort of the point :-) | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 15:42 |
| bnemec | Okay, I'll ask for a room. I _assume_ I'll be there too, although I almost didn't go to the last Denver PTG so who knows? | 15:42 |
| bnemec | Which is funny because it's geographically the closest to me. | 15:42 |
| bnemec | #action bnemec to request room at Denver PTG | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | I'm sure we can find things for bnemec to do to make it worth the trip | 15:43 |
| bnemec | Sounds good | 15:44 |
| bnemec | #topic oslo.config driver update | 15:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "oslo.config driver update (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:44 | |
| bnemec | I have forgotten when this meeting is held, but I was wondering what the status on the pluggable drivers is. | 15:44 |
| bnemec | I looked at the existing patches a bit last week but they looked pretty preliminary so far. | 15:45 |
| dhellmann | it's on tuesdays at the same time as this meeting | 15:45 |
| dhellmann | the work done so far is quite early, yes | 15:45 |
| bnemec | I just wanted to follow up because I know we wanted to try to get that in as early in the cycle as possible. | 15:45 |
| dhellmann | we have a new contributor joining that little team, and I'm hoping for more significant contributions soon | 15:45 |
| dhellmann | yes, progress has been slow | 15:45 |
| bnemec | I obviously haven't been very engaged with it myself. :-/ | 15:46 |
| dhellmann | https://review.openstack.org/562746 is the start of a driver | 15:46 |
| bnemec | I feel like maybe that's something we would want to try to merge by R-2? Is that reasonable and/or possible? | 15:47 |
| dhellmann | it is a reasonable request (the original goal was r-1) | 15:47 |
| dhellmann | I'm hesitant to say whether it's likely, since I'm not doing the work myself | 15:48 |
| bnemec | Maybe I should just join the meeting tomorrow. | 15:48 |
| dhellmann | that would be good | 15:48 |
| bnemec | Probably not going to nail anything down without everyone present anyway. | 15:48 |
| dhellmann | right | 15:48 |
| bnemec | #action bnemec to start attending oslo.config drivers meeting | 15:49 |
| bnemec | dhellmann: Okay, thanks for the update. | 15:49 |
| bnemec | #topic Open discussion | 15:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:49 | |
| bnemec | That was it for the agenda. Anything else in the last 10 minutes? | 15:50 |
| dhellmann | I could use another review on https://review.openstack.org/557516 | 15:50 |
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| dhellmann | it's not pressing, but it would be nice to clear it off the board | 15:50 |
| dhellmann | this one, too: https://review.openstack.org/562724 | 15:50 |
| bnemec | That one was previously approved, so we could probably just go ahead with it. | 15:51 |
| namnh | bnemec: Hi Ben | 15:51 |
| bnemec | namnh: Hi | 15:52 |
| namnh | bnemec: All of your comments was solved, and the output was chageds as your expectation [1], could you take a look the patch again [1] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/526314/ | 15:52 |
| bnemec | namnh: Okay, will try to take another look this week. | 15:53 |
| namnh | bnemec: cool, thanks | 15:53 |
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| bnemec | Anything else? | 15:55 |
| dhellmann | that's it from me | 15:55 |
| jungleboyj | Nothing from me. :-) | 15:55 |
| bnemec | Okay, thanks for joining everyone. | 15:56 |
| bnemec | #endmeeting | 15:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 23 15:56:06 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2018/oslo.2018-04-23-15.00.html | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2018/oslo.2018-04-23-15.00.txt | 15:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2018/oslo.2018-04-23-15.00.log.html | 15:56 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 15:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.config master: Trivial: Update pypi url to new url https://review.openstack.org/563371 | 15:58 |
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| kgiusti | bnemec: I'll send that pip_check_reqs email | 16:03 |
| bnemec | kgiusti: Great, thanks | 16:03 |
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| bnemec | So I feel like the one day we had in Dublin was actually about right for the amount of work we can realistically finish in a cycle. | 16:11 |
| bnemec | I think I might stick with just requesting one day again this time. | 16:11 |
| bnemec | Does anyone feel like we need more time than that? | 16:12 |
| bnemec | I guess the advantage of two days would be the ability to avoid conflicts, but I feel like we were still able to do that in Dublin. | 16:12 |
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| kgiusti | bnemec: not sure if I'll be able to go to Denver, but yes I agree one day was sufficient | 16:13 |
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| bnemec | 1 → 75 of 97 results | 17:10 |
| bnemec | <100 untriaged bugs! | 17:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.config master: fix URI type equality comparison https://review.openstack.org/562724 | 17:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.config master: use environment variable to control file location probing https://review.openstack.org/557516 | 17:23 |
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| dhellmann | bnemec : a day seems good. it's easier for me to avoid conflicts if I can say "I need to be in the oslo room on that afternoon" or whatever instead of having to guess when individual topics will be coming up | 18:22 |
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| lbragstad | dhellmann: ping - it seems that the direction of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/552045/ is moving closer and closer to just relying on oslo.context | 19:01 |
| lbragstad | is that ideally what you're thinking? | 19:01 |
| lbragstad | dims: had a similar comment iirc | 19:02 |
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| dhellmann | lbragstad : yes, I think that would be ideal | 19:11 |
| dhellmann | do you foresee issues with that? | 19:11 |
| dhellmann | I admit I'm much less familiar with the policy code internals so there may be technical issues I don't understand that make that approach a bad idea | 19:12 |
| lbragstad | well - the more i think about it the drier it appears to be | 19:14 |
| lbragstad | and most projects have to deal with context objects anyway | 19:14 |
| lbragstad | otherwise we would be duplicating various parts of the request and passing different sets to each library | 19:15 |
| lbragstad | then if we found out there various projects still weren't populating parts of the context needed by oslo.policy, we'd just track those as bugs against that project, right? | 19:22 |
| lbragstad | s/there/that/ | 19:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/tooz master: Trivial: Update pypi url to new url https://review.openstack.org/563312 | 19:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lance Bragstad proposed openstack/oslo-specs master: Add spec for consuming context attributes for policy https://review.openstack.org/552045 | 19:58 |
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| dhellmann | bnemec : we had several release notes jobs fail to run after tagging oslo releases because of a zuul misconfiguration issue with the python 3 variant of the job | 22:07 |
| dhellmann | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/release-job-failures/2018-April/thread.html | 22:07 |
| dhellmann | bnemec : we're working on fixing the job, but we're going to need to retrigger those release notes publish jobs somehow | 22:07 |
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| dhellmann | the simplest way may be to approve some trivial patches to the repos | 22:07 |
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| dhellmann | we should wait to do that until https://review.openstack.org/#/c/563779/ and https://review.openstack.org/563773 are approved | 22:09 |
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