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| andreaf | dims, dhellmann, flaper87, mikal, lifeless: ^^^ can someone approve this olso.log change - to unblock the gate? | 10:19 |
| andreaf | already approved by gcb, thanks | 10:20 |
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| dims | ack andreaf | 10:37 |
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| dims | looking | 10:37 |
| dims | looks like it's already got in | 10:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Dinesh Bhor proposed openstack/oslo.db master: Raise DbMigrationError instead of KeyError https://review.openstack.org/296209 | 10:39 |
| andreaf | dims: thanks | 10:40 |
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| sdague | dims / dhellmann - what do we need to finish up to get this in - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464746 ? | 11:14 |
| sdague | as I'd like to get started on code, and if the oslo parts aren't addressed soon, the project patches aren't going to work until much later | 11:15 |
| dims | sdague : will review this today | 11:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack/oslo.context master: Add global_request_id to context https://review.openstack.org/464326 | 11:23 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | dhellmann: Hi, if you get time please take a look at it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296209/ | 12:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack/oslo-specs master: global request id spec https://review.openstack.org/464746 | 13:26 |
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| dims | sdague : so.. no mention of oslo.messaging? | 13:33 |
| dhellmann | sdague : I'm not sure I've been clearly expressing my point about having the client look for the request id automatically, instead of changing how it is instantiated or used | 13:33 |
| sdague | dhellmann: do you have an example of how that is possible? | 13:34 |
| dhellmann | let me see if I can put something together | 13:34 |
| sdague | because all the code is passing these things around pretty explicitly | 13:34 |
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| dims | sdague : do we have to do something special w.r.t oslo.messaging? | 13:35 |
| sdague | dims: why? | 13:36 |
| sdague | dims: I'm not sure I understand the problem there | 13:36 |
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| dims | sdague : if we take the nova conductor for example, if things are stuffed in the right way on the nova-api side, then we are assuming the logs in nova-conductor will show up correctly. right? | 13:40 |
| dhellmann | sdague : https://review.openstack.org/467238 | 13:40 |
| sdague | dims: that's already working today | 13:40 |
| dhellmann | dims, sdague : yeah, we just need to make sure the global id shows up in the values the context returns when building messages | 13:41 |
| dhellmann | I think that's to_dict()? | 13:41 |
| dims | sdague : i was looking for some language to that fact, since not everything is REST/paste | 13:41 |
| sdague | dhellmann: yeh, it's to_dict | 13:42 |
| sdague | dims: ok, I guess I had assumed folks knew all that worked already, can explain that part as well. That's already a solved problem | 13:43 |
| dhellmann | it's probably just an item to include on the task list at the bottom | 13:43 |
| dhellmann | doesn't need a lot of detail | 13:43 |
| sdague | dhellmann: ok... so how does this play with periodic tasks? | 13:44 |
| dhellmann | do periodic tasks have a context? | 13:44 |
| dhellmann | the thread-local storage for the "current" context should be empty if not, so the header isn't added | 13:44 |
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| sdague | they do, though sometimes that context is created pretty early | 13:46 |
| dhellmann | where does the context come from for a periodic task? what logged in to run the task? | 13:46 |
| sdague | ok, if you think the thread local storage pull solves it, I'm fine with that approach. I was thinking explicit was good in case there were times where projects wanted to break the flow explicitly. | 13:47 |
| dhellmann | I'd be OK with adding an explicit thing, too. set it to an UnSet sentinal by default, let someone pass None to disable it | 13:47 |
| dhellmann | I just thought this would be fewer patches for more effect in the short term | 13:47 |
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| dhellmann | I'm not sure we need to work those details out in this oslo spec. Maybe we can come back and amend this spec after we land one and see how things work out? | 13:48 |
| sdague | yeh | 13:48 |
| dhellmann | it would be good to have the details written down at some point, but we may need to experiment first | 13:48 |
| sdague | I guess the concern about implicit might also be other consumers of these libraries | 13:49 |
| sdague | but, I'm fine figuring out what teams would accept | 13:49 |
| dhellmann | maybe that's just another work item, then | 13:49 |
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| sdague | sure | 13:49 |
| dhellmann | yeah, it does add a new dependency | 13:49 |
| dhellmann | the clients are pretty heavy already, frankly | 13:50 |
| sdague | I kludged together nova -> neutron making this work locally, let me show you want that looked like | 13:50 |
| dhellmann | sure | 13:50 |
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| sdague | Sean Dague proposed openstack/python-neutronclient master: WIP: allow request_id to be passed in https://review.openstack.org/467243 | 13:52 |
| sdague | Sean Dague proposed openstack/nova master: WIP: request_id passing to neutron https://review.openstack.org/467242 | 13:52 |
| dhellmann | oh, that's not nearly as bad as I expected | 13:53 |
| dhellmann | I thought we'd have to touch every call into neutron, since you mentioned caching clients | 13:53 |
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| sdague | I honestly think we can unwind the cached clients | 13:54 |
| sdague | it happens a few places if I remember, but we've also got some weird behavior around the same request-id being used for every periodic job, and it would actually make sense to clean up things over time there | 13:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack/oslo.middleware master: WIP: set global request if passed https://review.openstack.org/467135 | 13:55 |
| sdague | so, those changes need that ^^^ | 13:55 |
| dhellmann | ok. the explicit approach is fewer changes than I expected, though it's still more than the implicit approach. I'm fine with either, so if you want to go with your original plan that works for me. | 13:55 |
| sdague | and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464326/ | 13:55 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 13:55 |
| sdague | and a crap ton of local debug because I think webobj is less case insensitive than it claims some times | 13:56 |
| dhellmann | fwiw, it would be good to get all of those patches to use the same topic, to make reviewing the set easier | 13:56 |
| dhellmann | heh | 13:56 |
| sdague | yeh, this was litterally (ok, let me see this work once to know what it's going to take) | 13:56 |
| dhellmann | sure | 13:56 |
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| dhellmann | ok, so I think I'm ready to sign off on what we have. the change to deal with oslo.messaging is there in that oslo.context patch so as long as it gets tied to the blueprint it'll be clear that it's done | 13:58 |
| sdague | yeh, that's the same change needed for logging btw | 13:58 |
| dhellmann | do we need to mention the projects that need updates | 13:58 |
| dhellmann | as work items? | 13:58 |
| dhellmann | or are we going to assume it's all of them? | 13:58 |
| sdague | dhellmann: honestly, I feel like from an oslo.spec perspective this is what is the infrastructure we need released in oslo to let us solve this in projects, then we go run at projects. I'd honestly think that would make a good cross project goal. | 13:59 |
| sdague | as it's lots of little pretty rote tings | 13:59 |
| sdague | things | 13:59 |
| dhellmann | yeah, that sounds like a good approach | 14:00 |
| dhellmann | let's enable it, then handle the roll-out | 14:00 |
| sdague | yeh | 14:00 |
| dhellmann | we can either use this spec or the goal itself as the reference doc for implementation | 14:00 |
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| sdague | yep | 14:00 |
| sdague | so, mostly, I also need review on those oslo patches, including what unit testing is appropriate | 14:01 |
| sdague | ok, getting called to breakfast, biab | 14:01 |
| dhellmann | oop, meeting time | 14:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack/oslo.context master: Add global_request_id to context https://review.openstack.org/464326 | 14:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack/oslo.context master: Add global_request_id to context https://review.openstack.org/464326 | 14:22 |
| sdague | ok, that should be good enough to ship oslo.context changes I think | 14:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.messaging master: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/467179 | 15:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack/oslo.middleware master: Set global_request_id if passed in as X-OpenStack-Request-ID. https://review.openstack.org/467135 | 15:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack/oslo.middleware master: Allow compatibility headers for request_id https://review.openstack.org/464615 | 15:17 |
| sdague | dhellmann: ok, I think that gets us there | 15:17 |
| dhellmann | sdague : we should probably tie these patches to the spec and get that approved this week | 15:18 |
| sdague | dhellmann: sure | 15:19 |
| sdague | I'm out next week entirely, I was mostly trying to get working stuff up | 15:20 |
| dhellmann | sdague : the tracking doc for oslo this cycle is https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-pike-tracking | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | I've added the spec to the priority review list on lin e94 | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | gcb, dims: ^^ | 15:21 |
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| raildo | dhellmann, lamt spoke to me that you and him discussed a possibility to your spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454897/ tie with the secrets management store idea | 15:24 |
| raildo | dhellmann, do you have some free time to talk about this? | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | raildo : sure | 15:24 |
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| raildo | dhellmann, I liked the idea to make this only in one spec but I have a concern since the secrets management sounds more generic than config management | 15:25 |
| raildo | dhellmann, and this might affect your proposal at this moment | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | raildo : at this point, I'm looking for input as to whether the driver API would allow you to write a driver to talk to a secret store. we won't lump all of the work into one spec, but I don't want to build something you can't take advantage of | 15:26 |
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| raildo | dhellmann, ++ in the first moment, I think that we can use your work as a reference, since it's look pretty good defined | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | I'm planning to update that review today or tomorrow. One change I will make is to retitle it to talk about it being a driver interface, and focus less on etcd. | 15:28 |
| raildo | dhellmann, I think we can defined as a similar idea for different proposals :) | 15:28 |
| raildo | dhellmann, yes, makes sense. I'll try to add a review asap | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | yes, the difference, if I understood your presentation in boston, is that we won't need to modify the INI parser at all, since users will just store some values in the secret store and some values in other places | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | what's not clear, though, is how one authenticates to that secret store | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | your presentation mentioned certificates, I think? | 15:29 |
| raildo | dhellmann, yes. Actually, I didn't made the presentation, but I'm working in a related project for this proposal, called Custodia. the guys on the presentation used this services for this communication https://github.com/latchset/custodia | 15:30 |
| dhellmann | ah, ok | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | I think we'd want to just use castellan, since that's already another oslo project, but I'm not 100% clear on how those are similar or different | 15:31 |
| raildo | dhellmann, the idea is to use Custodia as a "connection" between oslo.config and the secret store(barbican, vault or other db) | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | yeah, that's what castellan would do | 15:32 |
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| raildo | dhellmann, I know that it some differences between the projects, I'll try get more information about this and come back to see which fits better for this case :) | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | castellan is a library, so that's appealing, and it's also already managed by the oslo team, so that's a point in its favor in terms of having some familiarity | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | that wouldn't rule out a separate driver to talk to custodia, I guess, but it seems weird to have 2 ways to talk to 2 secret store abstractions :-) | 15:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.service master: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/467185 | 15:36 |
| raildo | dhellmann, for our point of view, if we use a different backend than barbican for the storage, so castellan probably won't fits for this case | 15:37 |
| raildo | dhellmann, and I'm not sure if everyone that use openstack for secrets stores are using barbican as backend, so this might me a risky decision, but as I said, I'll get more information about this relation castellan x custodia and see which fits better for everyone :) | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | raildo : castellan is supposed to talk to multiple backends, too. that's why it moved into oslo. | 15:40 |
| raildo | dhellmann, ah, when I read the documentation I saw: "Currently, only the Barbican driver is recommended for production use" | 15:41 |
| dhellmann | raildo : yes, well, that would have to change | 15:41 |
| dhellmann | is custodia a separate service? | 15:41 |
| dhellmann | or is it also a library with an abstraction layer? | 15:41 |
| raildo | it's "secret as a service" with an api/client support which provides end-to-end encryption and provide drivers to store data in external data stores, like FreeIPA Vault, OpenShift, Barbican... | 15:44 |
| dhellmann | ok | 15:44 |
| dhellmann | it's another thing deployers would have to run, so that's not ideal, but it sounds like it more feature-full than castellan is today | 15:44 |
| raildo | dhellmann, agreed, I think that is not a trivial decision. | 15:45 |
| dhellmann | yeah. well, as long as you think the driver API would work, we can figure out the details at some point later | 15:46 |
| dhellmann | raildo : thanks for looking over that spec! | 15:46 |
| raildo | dhellmann, thank you for be working on this :) | 15:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/oslo.log master: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/467178 | 16:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack/oslo.middleware master: Set global_request_id if passed in as X-OpenStack-Request-ID. https://review.openstack.org/467135 | 16:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack/oslo.middleware master: Allow compatibility headers for request_id https://review.openstack.org/464615 | 16:48 |
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| dims | raildo : custodia is similar to vault? | 16:50 |
| raildo | dims, yes | 16:52 |
| raildo | dims, https://custodia.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ there is some more details here | 16:52 |
| dims | raildo : oslo.config would use castellan to talk to custodia then? is that what you were proposing? | 16:52 |
| raildo | dims, no, follow the PoC that was presented in the summit, oslo.config use custodia to talk directly to barbican | 16:53 |
| dims | raildo : talked to dave-mccowan already? | 16:55 |
| raildo | dims, if you want to take a look in the talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cjepMGQfrM | 16:55 |
| raildo | dims, not yet | 16:55 |
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| raildo | dave-mccowan, take your time :) | 16:57 |
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| dims | oslo.config <-> custodia <-> barbican means 2 process(es). oslo.config <-> castellan <-> barbican is one process as castellan is a libaray | 16:58 |
| dims | s/libaray/library/ | 16:59 |
| dims | right raildo ? ^ | 16:59 |
| raildo | dims, in a first look, custodia and castellan want to do the same thing, be an interface between oslo.config and a secret store | 17:01 |
| dims | y, castellan is from/by barbican folks (small python library) | 17:02 |
| dave-mccowan | raildo currently barbican is the only fully developed backend for castellan, but it is designed for others. there was a KMIP backend driver developed as a proof-of-concept, that is the one that is not recommended. any new secret store plugin would be a welcome addition to castellan. | 17:02 |
| dave-mccowan | raildo, dims the only current auth plugin for Castellan is keystone, so if custodia wants to use something else, that would be another to-do. | 17:03 |
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| dave-mccowan | ideally any new secret store would go through Castellan. then other services (nova, glance, cinder, sahara, swift, magnum, ...) will be able to use it too. | 17:04 |
| dims | dave-mccowan : y that would be my preference too | 17:04 |
| raildo | dave-mccowan, this second points sounds tricky for my, since we are using a password (keystone) to store passwords, so, how can we store keystone auth info safely using castellan as an interface? | 17:04 |
| dave-mccowan | raildo if you want to use another authorization service (LDAP, or whatever), then we'd need another auth plugin for Castellan. (I believe it's designed to be plugable). | 17:06 |
| raildo | dave-mccowan, got it. I'll take a look on this too. as I said to Doug, I need to go deeper on castellan and on this comparison to see which is the best approach for this case :) | 17:09 |
| raildo | thanks dims, dave-mccowan :) I'll come back with more details in the next hours/days | 17:09 |
| dims | thanks raildo dave-mccowan | 17:09 |
| dave-mccowan | raildo thanks | 17:10 |
| harlowja | kgiusti yt | 17:16 |
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| kgiusti | harlowja: wut? | 17:23 |
| kgiusti | harlowja: :D | 17:23 |
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| harlowja | kgiusti was wondering what the best video of u explaining the dispatch router stuff is now-adays | 17:52 |
| harlowja | is it still the one from a few summits ago? | 17:52 |
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| kgiusti | harlowja: yep: https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/15683/message-routing-a-next-generation-alternative-to-rabbitmq | 17:55 |
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| harlowja | cools | 17:56 |
| harlowja | was gonna see if an intern we have could push some testing of that stuff, not sure if the management here will go for that yet :-P but let's see | 17:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/devstack-plugin-kafka master: Setup RPC and Notification hybrid messaging backends https://review.openstack.org/466539 | 18:26 |
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| sdague | dhellmann / dims (et al) - https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:global_request_id that's the spec and all the patches thus far | 18:53 |
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| dims | sdague : ping | 19:07 |
| dims | sdague : 'X-OpenStack-Request-ID' in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/467243/3/neutronclient/client.py but 'X-Openstack-Request-Id' in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/467135/4/oslo_middleware/request_id.py | 19:08 |
| dims | sdague : lower case D in ID/Id | 19:08 |
| sdague | http headers are case insensitive | 19:09 |
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| dims | sdague : ah req.headers.get works for both | 19:10 |
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| dims | sdague : another one, the regexp for ID_FORMAT, is that case insensitive too? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/467135/4/oslo_middleware/request_id.py line 28 | 19:11 |
| dims | or are we saying that the uuid has to be lower case alphabets? (don't see it called out in spec if so) | 19:12 |
| sdague | I am making the claim they are lower case | 19:15 |
| sdague | given that's what the generator currently does | 19:15 |
| sdague | it didn't seem like there was any reason to complicate that | 19:15 |
| sdague | uuid4() | 19:15 |
| dims | ack thanks | 19:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.log master: add error_summary support to JSONFormatter https://review.openstack.org/464741 | 19:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.log master: add error_summary support for fluentd formatter https://review.openstack.org/464742 | 19:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/oslo-specs master: Pluggable drivers for oslo.config https://review.openstack.org/454897 | 21:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.log master: add line number information to fluentd formatter https://review.openstack.org/464747 | 23:18 |
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