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| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/oslo.log: DNM: test CONF.trace=True https://review.openstack.org/366423 | 00:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.config: Warn user about enforce_type default change https://review.openstack.org/365476 | 04:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Masaki Matsushita proposed openstack/oslo.log: Implement FluentFormatter https://review.openstack.org/230885 | 05:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslotest: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/362592 | 05:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/oslo.log: Make it possible to set the root logger (not via verbose/debug) [WIP] https://review.openstack.org/366497 | 05:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.messaging: [zmq] Rename rpc_cast_timeout option https://review.openstack.org/358764 | 05:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Gevorg Davoian proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: [zmq] Make ZMQ TCP keepalive options configurable https://review.openstack.org/365696 | 10:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alexander Ignatyev proposed openstack/osprofiler: Add Elasticsearch driver https://review.openstack.org/340936 | 11:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Gevorg Davoian proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: [zmq] Make ZMQ TCP keepalive options configurable https://review.openstack.org/365696 | 11:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | ChangBo Guo(gcb) proposed openstack/oslo.config: Fix wrong usage of DuplicateOptError https://review.openstack.org/346702 | 12:31 |
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| lxsli | dhellmann: btw pyparsing is a requirement on oslo.utils nowadays, is that an issue in your opinion? | 12:38 |
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| therve | jd__, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182602/2/oslo_utils/timeutils.py@60 So why do you lie to us? :) | 12:49 |
| therve | I'd harass Victor but he's not around | 12:49 |
| jd__ | therve: why so? | 12:50 |
| therve | jd__, http://paste.openstack.org/show/567435/ | 12:51 |
| jd__ | I prefer oslo_utils.timeutils.utcnow(True).isoformat() | 12:52 |
| therve | The Z is slightly more elegant IMO | 12:54 |
| therve | At any rate, that deprecation was wrong, as projects correctly ended up copying the code | 12:55 |
| lxsli | sorry to butt in but the Z is the timezone, the latter date in the pastebin has no timezone | 12:56 |
| therve | Maybe we should just revert the deprecation | 12:57 |
| therve | lxsli, Yeah that's my issue | 12:57 |
| lxsli | therve: ok cool, I'll butt out again :) | 12:57 |
| jd__ | which is correct since the datetime has no timezone neither | 12:57 |
| lxsli | "utcnow" | 12:57 |
| jd__ | lxsli: there's no UTC in the result | 12:57 |
| jd__ | therve: maybe honestly I don't care anymore | 12:57 |
| jd__ | most project don't know how to handle timestamps correctly at this stage | 12:58 |
| jd__ | and none want to fix them | 12:58 |
| therve | But copying wrong code in the projects is not going make them handle timestamps correctlyN | 12:59 |
| therve | ? | 12:59 |
| therve | I don't understand why it was deprecated it the first place. It's not broken, and there is no obvious alternative with the same interface | 12:59 |
| jd__ | because it's a wrong interface | 13:00 |
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| therve | Possibly if you consider the parameters? | 13:02 |
| therve | But something that gives me a proper utc now string seems like a good interface | 13:02 |
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| jd__ | therve: oslo_utils.timeutils.utcnow(True).isoformat() ? | 13:03 |
| therve | jd__, It doesn't output the same thing | 13:04 |
| jd__ | ah, you requested a "utc now string", not the same one as before :) | 13:04 |
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| therve | We have interfaces that we need to keep compatible | 13:05 |
| jd__ | copy the code until you can remove it? | 13:06 |
| therve | Sure, that's what other projects end up doing. Except there is no reason to remove it, because it's perfectly correct. | 13:07 |
| therve | So projects end up with code copy, that'll keep forever. Which is exactly why oslo is supposed to prevent. | 13:08 |
| jd__ | that's probably where we disagree | 13:08 |
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| therve | We may disagree, but you're wrong. '2016-09-07T12:48:51Z' is a correct 8601 timestamp, and everyone uses that. | 13:09 |
| jd__ | I didn't say the format was wrong | 13:09 |
| therve | I don't understand where you're disagreeing then | 13:10 |
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| jd__ | the interface is bad because it allows things like that: | 13:11 |
| jd__ | >>> oslo_utils.timeutils.isotime(datetime.datetime.now()) | 13:11 |
| jd__ | '2016-09-07T15:10:44Z' | 13:11 |
| jd__ | and you'll admit it's not 15:10 UTC right now | 13:11 |
| therve | jd__, So the right thing was to deprecate the 'at' argument. | 13:12 |
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| jd__ | it does not mean the code is buggy, just that the function should not be there, datetime.datetime.isoformat() is good enough if you use correctly TZ aware datetime | 13:12 |
| therve | It may be good enough if you start from scratch, but it'll never give the same result as before. | 13:12 |
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| jd__ | yeah | 13:13 |
| jd__ | the thing is we don't want people to start building things against with that function | 13:13 |
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| jd__ | for example I see way too many people using delta_seconds() which is completely useless… | 13:13 |
| jd__ | just because it's there and they don't know Python APIs | 13:13 |
| jd__ | that's why we mark them as "deprecated" | 13:14 |
| therve | Sure, but when you deprecate things, you want to give people good alternatives | 13:14 |
| therve | Not tell them to copy the code in their repo. Where they end up duplicating the possible bug you talk about. | 13:15 |
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| jd__ | well the alternative is: use isoformat(), if not fix your code, if not, well do your own stuff | 13:15 |
| kgiusti | gdavoian: ping re: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/366084 - thanks for the explanation. | 13:16 |
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| jd__ | therve: the bug exists because project don't want to "fix their code" and use TZ aware datetime objects :) | 13:16 |
| therve | jd__, You didn't give them a proper way to fix their code, just tell to fuck off. | 13:18 |
| jd__ | lol | 13:18 |
| jd__ | if only it was true | 13:18 |
| jd__ | ask vstinner who tried to fix Nova | 13:18 |
| jd__ | they told him to fuck off like you say | 13:18 |
| jd__ | therve: I don't know what's the real problem behind, Heat I imagine? but you can propose a patch to revert the deprecation I imagine | 13:22 |
| jd__ | neither haypo nor me are working on that anymore | 13:22 |
| therve | jd__, Yeah, the format was changed in the API response | 13:26 |
| therve | Back in liberty | 13:26 |
| therve | Now we need to change it back | 13:26 |
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| jd__ | yeah you either have to use isotime() again or "fix" the code to have tz-aware-datetime-objects I imagine | 13:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Michael Bayer proposed openstack/oslo.db: Add additional caution looking for table, info https://review.openstack.org/366362 | 13:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.config: Ensure test_config_dir_doesnt_exist() dir doesn't exist https://review.openstack.org/365153 | 13:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alexander Ignatyev proposed openstack/osprofiler: Add Elasticsearch driver https://review.openstack.org/340936 | 13:45 |
| * dims requests amrith to read the scroll back ( jd__ and therve talking about iso time) :) | 13:48 | |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.messaging: [zmq] Fix TestZmqAckManager periodic failure https://review.openstack.org/366179 | 13:58 |
| therve | jd__, Ironically, heat's timestamps mostly come from... oslo_db | 14:04 |
| therve | If if was fixed there, we'd get timezone aware timestamps everywhere | 14:04 |
| jd__ | I like the irony too :) | 14:05 |
| therve | I didn't say I liked it :p | 14:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.messaging: [zmq] Make ThreadingPoller work with ZmqSocket https://review.openstack.org/366084 | 14:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alexander Ignatyev proposed openstack/osprofiler: Add Elasticsearch driver https://review.openstack.org/340936 | 15:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Julian proposed openstack/oslo.versionedobjects: JSON Schema get_schema implementation for last few fields https://review.openstack.org/360095 | 16:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/oslo.log: DNM: test CONF.trace=True https://review.openstack.org/366423 | 16:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/oslo.log: RFE: Add CONF.trace option https://review.openstack.org/366422 | 16:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alexey Yelistratov proposed openstack/osprofiler: [doc]Add description for multi-backend URI https://review.openstack.org/359924 | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | hi, is anybody available from oslo.service team? | 16:47 |
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| harlowja | rakhmerov whats up | 17:36 |
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| kgiusti | harlowja: if you've got the bandwidth (heh, right): https://review.openstack.org/#/c/360065/ | 17:50 |
| kgiusti | harlowja: adds new config options to the driver | 17:51 |
| harlowja | woah | 17:51 |
| harlowja | ha | 17:51 |
| harlowja | intersting concept | 17:52 |
| kgiusti | harlowja: the protocol ack occurs end-2-end | 17:52 |
| harlowja | right | 17:52 |
| kgiusti | harlowja: it's probably unnecessary to wait for one w/cast. | 17:52 |
| harlowja | message level syn/ack | 17:53 |
| harlowja | (or something), ha | 17:53 |
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| kgiusti | harlowja: right. Currently the client pends for that protocol-level ack when sending a cast. | 17:53 |
| dhellmann | lxsli : sigh, yeah, that's not ideal. it means a bunch of the clients are now going to be dragging it in. it's a shame that "specs" stuff didn't make it into another library of its own. What *is* that anyway? | 17:53 |
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| kgiusti | harlowja: cast's being 'least effort' - it's overkill | 17:53 |
| harlowja | kgiusti ya, this reminds me of that thread about behavior of drivers | 17:53 |
| harlowja | and how we have varying behavior | 17:54 |
| kgiusti | harlowja: hence my reluctance to hard-code it | 17:54 |
| harlowja | ya | 17:54 |
| harlowja | it almost feels like though something the service would be in contract with the messaging layer, not config, idk? | 17:55 |
| dhellmann | harlowja : that comment for lxsli is relevant for you, too ^^ -- oslo.utils shouldn't keep growing new dependencies, or it'll just turn into the incubator as a library | 17:55 |
| harlowja | service -> my contract | 17:55 |
| harlowja | dhellmann agreed | 17:55 |
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| kgiusti | harlowja: so, some addition to the call() api - a flag controlling acks? | 17:55 |
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| harlowja | just a thought, perhaps? | 17:56 |
| kgiusti | harlowja: I agree totally - in fact I've got a few ideas related to that. But, in this case it would be extra work to make the behavior uniform across backends. | 17:56 |
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| harlowja | ya, np | 17:57 |
| harlowja | just brainstorming :-P | 17:57 |
| harlowja | tooz went with a model of https://github.com/openstack/tooz/blob/master/tooz/coordination.py#L38 | 17:57 |
| harlowja | that maybe would be applicable to the MQ drivers/layer? | 17:57 |
| harlowja | that at least makes it pretty upfront what a driver can and can't do | 17:57 |
| harlowja | then it becomes a question of making call or cast take some 'desired outcome? or desired ack? or something' | 17:59 |
| harlowja | anyway, will look at review in a little | 17:59 |
| harlowja | want to start an etherpad kgiusti around that other idea? sileht and others may be interested | 17:59 |
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| kgiusti | harlowja: yes - this would be a good start to addressing the issues folks have understanding the API contract. | 18:00 |
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| kgiusti | harlowja: will do, thanks. | 18:00 |
| harlowja | def | 18:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/osprofiler: [doc]Add description for multi-backend URI https://review.openstack.org/359924 | 18:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Julian proposed openstack/oslo.versionedobjects: JSON Schema get_schema implementation for last few fields https://review.openstack.org/360095 | 19:44 |
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| harlowja | kgiusti i started https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-messaging-and-explicitness | 20:04 |
| harlowja | at least as a brainstorm area | 20:04 |
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| kgiusti | harlowja: great - I'll toss down some thoughts I have. | 20:06 |
| kgiusti | harlowja: right after I get this customer to their "Happy Place" | 20:06 |
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| harlowja | ;) | 20:24 |
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