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| kgiusti | hi everybody! I'm hitting a failure running the py34 tox tests on oslo.messaging latest master... | 14:01 |
| kgiusti | Hitting a key error while installing cliff-2.1.0 | 14:01 |
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| kgiusti | specifically: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/388317/46781373/ | 14:02 |
| kgiusti | Anyone else having problems running tox -epy34 on latest oslo.messaging master? | 14:03 |
| jeckersb | kgiusti: yeah it doesn't work for me either | 14:05 |
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| jeckersb | Error parsing /tmp/pip-build-iv03rnba/cliff/setup.cfg | 14:05 |
| jeckersb | same deal | 14:06 |
| kgiusti | jeckersb: yup - backing up history to find the commit... | 14:09 |
| kgiusti | jeckersb: sileht: seems the breakage starts here: https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/oslo.messaging/commit/?id=eef2bd058a27e102746363a6ae969e6bb62ca898 | 14:11 |
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| trevormc | dhellmann: This is what I wrote yesterday after our discussion, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337914/ | 15:36 |
| patchbot | trevormc: patch 337914 - trove - Improve list-of-ports validation | 15:36 |
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| jlvillal | harlowja, Is today a good day for a shiny new oslo.utils release? | 15:37 |
| harlowja | jlvillal ah, sure, let me get one rolling | 15:37 |
| jlvillal | harlowja, Woot! ;) | 15:37 |
| harlowja | jlvillal https://review.openstack.org/338358 | 15:42 |
| harlowja | that should get that started | 15:42 |
| harlowja | once that's merged a new release should be out | 15:42 |
| jlvillal | harlowja, Thank you | 15:44 |
| harlowja | np | 15:45 |
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| lxsli | dhellmann: you up? | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | lxsli : hi | 16:30 |
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| lxsli | dhellmann: woohoo! Can we discuss https://review.openstack.org/#/c/293561/ ? | 16:31 |
| patchbot | lxsli: patch 293561 - oslo.log - Reload log_config_append config on SIGHUP | 16:31 |
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| dhellmann | lxsli : sure, sorry I've been lax on reviewing those updates | 16:32 |
| lxsli | no worries, I got a bit distracted as well, been meaning to catch you for a week or two | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | it looks like you've removed the use of private locks and whatnot | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | I think you're right that you could make a case for adding a public lock API to the logging module in 3.x (probably 3.7 at this point) | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | do we need our own lock within _load_log_config()? what happens if someone sends more than one hup? | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | maybe that's already being handled in the signal handler? | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | it's probably better to handle it there anyway | 16:35 |
| lxsli | currently that'll cause us to exit | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | well, that'll certainly teach them not to do it | 16:35 |
| lxsli | (by design) | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | ah | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'm +2 on this version now then | 16:35 |
| lxsli | sweet! Please would you +A the prereq patch while you're there? | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | we'll have to see how safe it is in production, I'm still a little nervous about doing this in general because I'm not sure the loggers expect to be reconfigured, but... | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | oh, you know, I should ask for a reno before we approve it | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | 561 at least | 16:36 |
| lxsli | 561? | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/293561/10 | 16:36 |
| patchbot | dhellmann: patch 293561 - oslo.log - Reload log_config_append config on SIGHUP | 16:36 |
| lxsli | aha | 16:37 |
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| dhellmann | I've approved https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335413/1 | 16:38 |
| patchbot | dhellmann: patch 335413 - oslo.log - log: Introduce _iter_loggers | 16:38 |
| lxsli | great, thank you - adding the reno now | 16:38 |
| dhellmann | lxsli : I appreciate your persistence on this work. | 16:39 |
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| lxsli | No worries - it has come a long way since the Mitaka summit! | 16:40 |
| lxsli | and thank you for the time on reviews and discussions | 16:40 |
| dhellmann | harlowja, rbradfor : shall we see if we can get lxsli's patch merged this week? ^^ | 16:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Alexis Lee proposed openstack/oslo.log: Reload log_config_append config on SIGHUP https://review.openstack.org/293561 | 16:41 |
| lxsli | oops, one mistake | 16:42 |
| dhellmann | lxsli : do we talk about options being "mutable" in user-facing docs anywhere? what do we call the feature of some options being reloadable? | 16:43 |
| lxsli | Options are marked as mutable in the configuration manual and there's a little section about it | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | ok, I have some phrasing suggestions then | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | I'll put them on the review | 16:44 |
| harlowja | i'll see if i can review that | 16:44 |
| lxsli | OK - I need to clarify that it only applies to projects enabled for mutable config | 16:44 |
| harlowja | should be able to todayish | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | harlowja : cool, thanks | 16:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Alexis Lee proposed openstack/oslo.log: Reload log_config_append config on SIGHUP https://review.openstack.org/293561 | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | lxsli : see my comment on PS 11 | 16:45 |
| lxsli | I like it, two ticks | 16:45 |
| lxsli | Ditch the example? | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | hmm | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | I like the example | 16:46 |
| lxsli | Cool | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | I'm not sure about the last sentence | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | that also feels redundant | 16:46 |
| lxsli | Yep, that seems less necessary now | 16:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Alexis Lee proposed openstack/oslo.log: Reload log_config_append config on SIGHUP https://review.openstack.org/293561 | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | lxsli : is there anything that can't be changed via this? if not, a minimal example is good, but if so we should document that | 16:48 |
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| lxsli | No you should be able to change anything | 16:48 |
| dhellmann | ok, that's what I thought | 16:49 |
| dhellmann | +2 from me | 16:49 |
| lxsli | My intent with the example is to make it less dry and help deployers go "yes this is relevant to my needs" | 16:49 |
| lxsli | \o/ | 16:49 |
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| dhellmann | yep, I like the example | 16:49 |
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| dhellmann | lxsli : I'm putting together a list of suggested goals for projects for ocata, from the TC's perspective. It's sort of a "finish what we've started" list right now. How much work is it to enable mutable configuration options in an app? | 16:51 |
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| dhellmann | like if we said a goal was to enable mutable config, in order to have this feature everywhere, would that be a lot of work? or a relatively simple patch to turn it on? | 16:51 |
| lxsli | To enable an app initially, very little. To enable each option is generally a small bit of work but it can lead to cleanup efforts | 16:51 |
| lxsli | I actually got a few options enabled for Nova already so that's a good example | 16:52 |
| lxsli | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319203/ | 16:52 |
| patchbot | lxsli: patch 319203 - nova - Make LM timeout params mutable (MERGED) | 16:52 |
| dhellmann | lxsli : ok, cool, I'll add that to the suggestion list. If not Ocata, maybe P | 16:54 |
| dhellmann | and I think for now it's enough to suggest doing it to enable the oslo options, but maybe that will encourage project teams to think of some of their options the same way | 16:55 |
| lxsli | John's added mutable config to a list of things to review when the... OSCA? team go through Nova options | 16:55 |
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| dhellmann | good idea | 16:56 |
| dhellmann | for this, I want it to be a small step so we can clearly say when it's "done" | 16:56 |
| dhellmann | making app options mutable may be a bigger, ongoing, effort | 16:56 |
| lxsli | Possibly getting as many of the IaaS projects enabled is the first step then - that should generate some interest on "why are we doing this and how can I get value from it?" | 16:58 |
| lxsli | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280851/ enabled Nova for mutable config | 16:58 |
| patchbot | lxsli: patch 280851 - nova - Enable mutable config in Nova (MERGED) | 16:58 |
| lxsli | just pass restart_method='mutate' to oslo.service | 16:58 |
| lxsli | if a project isn't using oslo.service, they just need to call mutate_config_files instead of reload_config_files on oslo.config | 16:59 |
| dhellmann | is that documented somewhere in some oslo lib documentation? | 16:59 |
| lxsli | No, not yet | 17:00 |
| dhellmann | ok, that would be good to have so we can point folks to it | 17:00 |
| lxsli | Yep I'll add something to oslo.config docs, seems the best place for it | 17:01 |
| dhellmann | yeah, likely there and oslo.service for the flag | 17:02 |
| lxsli | Cool | 17:02 |
| lxsli | I'm going to submit a talk btw | 17:06 |
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| harlowja | lxsli did we ever get any python-ideas responses | 17:18 |
| harlowja | i haven't checked recently | 17:18 |
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| harlowja | i still do wonder who/how was making things like MemoryHandler and such thought it was going to work, python not lisp, lol | 17:19 |
| lxsli | harlowja: I noticed python-ideas is for ideas to contribute to CPython, not really a general "help me" list | 17:19 |
| lxsli | which made me too shy to post | 17:20 |
| harlowja | i thought u did | 17:20 |
| harlowja | hmmm, i forget | 17:20 |
| harlowja | swore u did | 17:20 |
| harlowja | lol | 17:20 |
| lxsli | I did but my post got rejected because I hadn't joined the list, by which time I realised the topic | 17:20 |
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| harlowja | ah, ok | 17:20 |
| harlowja | i'll post it though, just gotta word it as an 'idea' | 17:20 |
| * harlowja is all sneaky like | 17:20 | |
| lxsli | The logging module has... a number of shortcomings, I'm not too surprised they didn't think of this | 17:21 |
| harlowja | fair enough | 17:21 |
| harlowja | lol | 17:21 |
| harlowja | u have reached experiened developer life-stage | 17:21 |
| harlowja | nothing suprise u anymore | 17:21 |
| harlowja | lol | 17:21 |
| lxsli | hehe | 17:21 |
| harlowja | now just write a book, or coauthor with dhellmann and u'll be set | 17:22 |
| harlowja | set for life! | 17:22 |
| harlowja | lol | 17:22 |
| harlowja | btw, when we doing the oslo book | 17:22 |
| harlowja | lol | 17:22 |
| lxsli | haha | 17:22 |
| lxsli | it's not a terrible idea, it'd get a lot of publicity | 17:23 |
| lxsli | small shops aren't necessarily that plugged in! | 17:23 |
| harlowja | SpamapS wants to write some books i think | 17:23 |
| harlowja | and jd__ already has to | 17:24 |
| harlowja | i think its a perfect idea ;) | 17:24 |
| harlowja | 'The Tales Of OpenStack' | 17:24 |
| harlowja | staring little doug, tiny clint, alexis the small, julien and some dude named josh | 17:24 |
| SpamapS | A long time ago, in a conference center far far away... | 17:25 |
| harlowja | seee | 17:25 |
| harlowja | i think its perfect idea, lol | 17:25 |
| harlowja | tiny clint ftw | 17:25 |
| harlowja | lol | 17:25 |
| SpamapS | so tiny | 17:25 |
| harlowja | :-p | 17:25 |
| lxsli | then again I'm having enough trouble with a speaker bio >.< | 17:28 |
| harlowja | Alexis the small, from a land far far away, no literally the land far far away, with shrek | 17:29 |
| harlowja | ^ there your bio | 17:29 |
| harlowja | lol | 17:29 |
| lxsli | we are very far away... although you may have heard we recently voted to detach ourselves from Europe | 17:29 |
| harlowja | next up, detach self from worl | 17:30 |
| harlowja | *world | 17:30 |
| harlowja | planet england | 17:30 |
| lxsli | that was the plan, a century ago | 17:30 |
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| harlowja | :) | 17:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.messaging: Remove rabbitmq max_retries https://review.openstack.org/335529 | 17:39 |
| lxsli | woo, well that's in - I'm going home v.v | 17:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/337150 | 17:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.log: log: Introduce _iter_loggers https://review.openstack.org/335413 | 17:50 |
| * amrith reads the scrollback and notices the adjectives "little" doug, "tiny" clint, alexis "the small"; but julien and some dude josh have no adjectives; I wonder why ... maybe that's in the book harlowja | 17:54 | |
| harlowja | amrith i ran out of ideas | 17:55 |
| harlowja | lol | 17:55 |
| harlowja | that was the main reason why they didn't :-P | 17:55 |
| amrith | harlowja the wise | 17:55 |
| amrith | julien the timeless | 17:55 |
| harlowja | wfm | 17:55 |
| harlowja | lol | 17:55 |
| amrith | speaking of timeless; I still need to figure out deprecation of isotime in trove | 17:56 |
| amrith | bye :) | 17:56 |
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| alaski | question for you all. I just submitted https://review.openstack.org/338503 for a silly spelling mistake, but I'm wondering how I could have tested that to avoid it | 19:23 |
| alaski | is there a good way to test various things in setup.cfg, like console scripts? | 19:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jamie Lennox proposed openstack/oslo.context: Move existing attributes to _id suffixed attributes https://review.openstack.org/315321 | 21:51 |
| harlowja | zzzeek do u remember that mail about how eventlet greenthreads count was set to high, i think u were investigating that one | 21:51 |
| harlowja | trying to find that one in the ML search/searching | 21:51 |
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| rbradfor | dhellmann, harlowja ping re incubator work. | 21:57 |
| dims | harlowja : http://markmail.org/message/r45i4ifnpnvgprpu | 21:57 |
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| harlowja | dims thx | 21:58 |
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| zzzeek | harlowja: um. yes. made some changes. let me look | 22:20 |
| harlowja | zzzeek dims found it, np | 22:20 |
| harlowja | *no worries i guess, not 'np' | 22:20 |
| harlowja | lol | 22:20 |
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| zzzeek | harlowja: oh. i just found it too http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/082717.html took long enough | 22:24 |
| harlowja | :) | 22:24 |
| zzzeek | harlowja: it went into the new year a bit | 22:24 |
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| harlowja | def, i thought u did a blog post about it | 22:25 |
| harlowja | but i guess not | 22:25 |
| zzzeek | harlowja: i did a blog post about async in general | 22:25 |
| harlowja | right | 22:25 |
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| dhellmann | rbradfor: I wanted to check in to see where things stood. I came up with http://paste.openstack.org/show/526614/ as a list of official projects using incubated modules | 23:35 |
| dhellmann | rbradfor : there's lot of apiclient in there, which is deprecated so should probably be ignored | 23:36 |
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