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| YorikSar | haypo: ping | 10:24 |
| haypo | YorikSar: hello | 10:25 |
| YorikSar | haypo: I wonder why do you change StringIO.StringIO to six.StringIO in py3 patch in Swift. | 10:25 |
| haypo | YorikSar: try "import StringIO" in Python 3 | 10:26 |
| YorikSar | haypo: Can't we just switch to io.StringIO or is there any issues with in in 2.7? | 10:26 |
| haypo | YorikSar: i don't know if the patched code uses bytes or string. my first motivation is to avoid the ImportError :) | 10:26 |
| haypo | YorikSar: we can *adjust* this later | 10:26 |
| YorikSar | haypo: I remember io.StringIO being more strict than StringIO.StringIO, but isn't it a good thing - you'll have to fix all issues with it for 3.x anyway? | 10:27 |
| haypo | YorikSar: the port is too early to know yet if it must be bytes or text | 10:27 |
| YorikSar | haypo: Ah, ok. One bite at a time, right. | 10:27 |
| haypo | "One bite at a time" you got my philosophy (at least to port openstack to python3) :-) | 10:27 |
| YorikSar | haypo: How do you manage to get the knowledge about whether to use bytes or str in all these projects? | 10:28 |
| YorikSar | haypo: It seems every project should have an expert who should be able tell, are there really so many people caring for 3.x? | 10:29 |
| haypo | "are there really so many people caring for 3.x?" i see sometimes some python3 made by others, but the last 2 years, i was the most involved in porting openstack to python 3 | 10:30 |
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| haypo | "How do you manage to get the knowledge about whether to use bytes or str in all these projects?" it depends :) it depends on the data type, on the project, on the project history, etc. | 10:30 |
| haypo | YorikSar: for swift, i failed to change how HTTP and MIM headers are parsed: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237042/ & https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237027/ | 10:31 |
| patchbot | haypo: patch 237042 - swift - Parse HTTP as bytes on Python 3 (ABANDONED) | 10:31 |
| patchbot | haypo: patch 237027 - swift - Port parse_mime_headers() to Python 3 (MERGED) | 10:31 |
| haypo | YorikSar: i abandonned these changes because of the lack of feedback from swift | 10:31 |
| haypo | YorikSar: changing such code is tricky, as you said, you have to decide if it's bytes or text | 10:32 |
| haypo | YorikSar: so i'm now restarting with a much simpler approach for swift. fix first the most obvious issues, before restarting to attack the real complex issues | 10:32 |
| YorikSar | Yeah... Every time I tell people about trying OpenStack on Python 3.x or helping to port it, I get the same question: "Why?". And from user PoV it's really hard question to answer. | 10:34 |
| haypo | YorikSar: you should use https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Python3 as a reference | 10:35 |
| haypo | YorikSar: i wrote http://techs.enovance.com/6521/openstack_python3 "Why should OpenStack move to Python 3 right now?" | 10:36 |
| haypo | YorikSar: oh, i wrote it in 2013! | 10:36 |
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| YorikSar | haypo: I totally thought that it should take no more that a year to port OpenStack to 3.x. An while I totally agree with your article, it doesn't answer "cost vs benefit" for every single user/contributor. | 10:39 |
| YorikSar | haypo: 2.7 is working, so businesses don't care. And with businesses go all corporate contributors. And with them go every project's vision basically. | 10:40 |
| haypo | YorikSar: i cannot help much if developers don't understand the principle of technical debt | 10:40 |
| haypo | YorikSar: a debt only *increases* | 10:40 |
| YorikSar | haypo: Yeah... | 10:40 |
| haypo | YorikSar: FYI we have a similar issue with Oslo. some projects don't care of the deprecated APIs | 10:41 |
| haypo | "it works, why changing anything?" | 10:41 |
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| dims | gus : "Hence me opening this fun can of worms for broader discussion in this thread. You're welcome :-)" LOL | 12:26 |
| gus | :) | 12:27 |
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| sdague | :) | 13:18 |
| sdague | well, it's been that way forever, I think we just end up with different levels of understanding about why upgrades are hard and scary for folks | 13:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alexis Lee proposed openstack/oslo.log: log: SpoolFilter and 'spooling' context manager https://review.openstack.org/328988 | 13:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Alexis Lee proposed openstack/oslo.log: log: Spooling logger and manager https://review.openstack.org/316162 | 13:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Alexis Lee proposed openstack/oslo.log: log: Freeze log records before spooling https://review.openstack.org/333911 | 13:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Alexis Lee proposed openstack/oslo.log: log: Limit spools in bytes https://review.openstack.org/333912 | 13:48 |
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| SamYaple | hello. just asked this in the nova channel, but I appear to have stumled onto a wierd olso/nova issue with incorrectly parsed transport_url | 14:21 |
| SamYaple | the issue only occurs when forking nova-conductor | 14:21 |
| SamYaple | I have filed a bug with the problem here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1595965 as well as how to reproduce | 14:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1595965 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "transport_url is being parsed different when forking with oslo.service" [Undecided,New] | 14:22 |
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| SamYaple | there is a note on issues surrounding forking processes with the transport_url, does anyone have more information on that? | 14:23 |
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| melwitt | sileht ^ | 14:25 |
| sileht | funny | 14:26 |
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| SamYaple | have I missed the joke sileht? | 14:28 |
| SamYaple | am _I_ the joke D: | 14:28 |
| sileht | SamYaple, I just like issue with forking stuffs | 14:28 |
| SamYaple | yea tell me about it. you know how long it took me to figure that out? | 14:30 |
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| SamYaple | like 3 hours | 14:30 |
| sileht | SamYaple, rabbit://<user>:<pass>@server01,server02/openstack is valid url | 14:31 |
| SamYaple | sileht: not according to the docs | 14:31 |
| SamYaple | or rather server02 should be silently ignored | 14:32 |
| sileht | SamYaple, server01 have creds when server02 doesn't needs them | 14:32 |
| sileht | transport://user:pass@host:port[,userN:passN@hostN:portN]/virtual_host?query | 14:32 |
| SamYaple | sileht: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.messaging/transport.html | 14:32 |
| SamYaple | "Username and password should be specified for each host, in case of lack of specification they will be omitted" | 14:32 |
| sileht | all user/pass are optional | 14:32 |
| sileht | SamYaple, this is what I said no creds will be used for server02 | 14:33 |
| SamYaple | hmm the behaviour I see has the server not being used at all | 14:33 |
| SamYaple | but more importnantly to me, it works without threads (using only server01) it does not work at all with threads | 14:34 |
| sileht | SamYaple, 'they' refers to Username and Password not the server | 14:36 |
| SamYaple | fair enough. i originally used that syntax because thats what I thought too. ill trust you there | 14:36 |
| SamYaple | but the behaviour is still different with and without multiple threads | 14:36 |
| SamYaple | nova-conductor is the only one that breaks with the syntax | 14:37 |
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| sileht | SamYaple, perhaps this: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.messaging/transport.html#forking-processes-and-oslo-messaging-transport-objects | 14:39 |
| SamYaple | yes sileht that is what i was thinking too, that was the note i was refering too | 14:40 |
| SamYaple | who wrote that and under what circumstances? | 14:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Gevorg Davoian proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: [zmq] Refactor publishers https://review.openstack.org/332894 | 15:06 |
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| sileht | SamYaple, me, because oslo.messaging don't work as expected when FDs are shared been fork | 15:19 |
| sileht | SamYaple, some underlying libraries doesn't close and reopen them | 15:19 |
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| SamYaple | sileht: so i should check if nova-conductor is setting up transport before forking, and if so fix that? | 15:23 |
| sileht | SamYaple, setuping it is OK, but starting to using it is not | 15:23 |
| SamYaple | im like 90% sure conductor uses it immediately after it is setup before the fork. i was neck deep in that code yesterday | 15:24 |
| sileht | SamYaple, you can create the TransportObject even the rpc Server, but you must not call start() before the fork occurs | 15:24 |
| SamYaple | awesome. thanks for the guidance. would have taken me a long time to figure this all out | 15:24 |
| SamYaple | ill see if that is how nova-conductor is behaving | 15:24 |
| sileht | and you must not use rpcclient.call/cast before the fork too | 15:25 |
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| sileht | SamYaple, your welcome , I will continue to dig on the oslo.messaging side, because I'm not certain this is due to the fork issue | 15:26 |
| sileht | SamYaple, I just remember that If this is the fork issue, oslo.messaging prints warnings | 15:29 |
| SamYaple | sileht: have you reproduced it? | 15:30 |
| SamYaple | if not you should probably start there. don't trust me to not have screwed it up :) | 15:31 |
| sileht | SamYaple, I have opened rabbit driver and the msg showup to me :) | 15:31 |
| SamYaple | awesome sauce. | 15:32 |
| SamYaple | im not sure its due to the fork either, its jsut wierd to me that it works without forking, and has the issue when forking | 15:32 |
| SamYaple | and nova does some stuff directly to transport_url in the cells code so it may very well be a nova issue sileht | 15:32 |
| sileht | yeah I have participated on the oslo.msg side of this | 15:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Gevorg Davoian proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: [zmq] Refactor publishers https://review.openstack.org/332894 | 16:15 |
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| jlvillal | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332438/ Anyone willing to review that? It has one +2 on it at the moment. Thanks! | 20:12 |
| patchbot | jlvillal: patch 332438 - oslo.utils - Make mask_dict_password consistent with mask_password | 20:12 |
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