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| jd__ | harlowja: sorry but I can't stand it https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320824/ | 08:14 |
| patchbot | jd__: patch 320824 - requirements - Remove tooz from project list | 08:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kirill Bespalov proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Improve the impl_rabbit logging https://review.openstack.org/320603 | 08:41 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | rpodolyaka: Hi, I have made changes as you suggested and its working. Just want to confirm the changes. Please refer: http://paste.openstack.org/show/505331/ | 08:45 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | rpodolyaka: The patch url: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296209/ , Please let me know if any changes are required. | 08:52 |
| patchbot | Dinesh_Bhor: patch 296209 - oslo.db - Raise DbMigrationError instead of KeyError | 08:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Kirill Bespalov proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Improve the impl_rabbit logging https://review.openstack.org/320603 | 08:53 |
| rpodolyaka | Dinesh_Bhor: hey! in a meeting right now, will take a look shortly | 08:54 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | rpodolyaka: yah.. sure | 08:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Oleksii Zamiatin proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Properly cleanup listener on simulator exit https://review.openstack.org/319894 | 09:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-dev/pbr: Fix pypy wsgi tests https://review.openstack.org/320741 | 09:13 |
| rpodolyaka | Dinesh_Bhor: a few minor comments: 1) the proposed function does not raise an exception, it merely returns a correct exception type to except later | 09:22 |
| rpodolyaka | so the naming is a bit confusing | 09:22 |
| rpodolyaka | 2) migrate release 0.10 does not contain your patch which changes the exception type | 09:23 |
| rpodolyaka | so this compatibility code looks a bit confusing too | 09:23 |
| rpodolyaka | IMO, it should account for the next release | 09:23 |
| rpodolyaka | which will contain your path | 09:23 |
| rpodolyaka | so it'll say 0.11 or whatever the version will be used | 09:24 |
| rpodolyaka | other than that it looks good | 09:24 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | rpodolyaka: Thank you for comments and time, I will make the changes, test it and submit patch asap. | 09:35 |
| rpodolyaka | Dinesh_Bhor: NP! Ping me when you've updated the change | 09:35 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | rpodolyaka: yah.. sure. | 09:38 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | rpodolyaka: Hi, just have a question. Do we need a 'Depends-on' tag anymore on the sqlalchemy-migrate patch ? | 10:13 |
| rpodolyaka | Dinesh_Bhor: no, we don't. You might keep the mentioning of the change, though. For the sake of history | 10:14 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | rpodolyaka: ok great.. | 10:16 |
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| haypo | hey. i'm trying to write a log filter (logging.Filter). does someone know how to apply it on *all* loggers in openstack? | 16:14 |
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| harlowja | kevinbenton yt | 16:52 |
| harlowja | jd__ hmmmm, requirements ---> tooz --> poof, lol | 16:59 |
| harlowja | pipaf related? :-P | 16:59 |
| harlowja | pifpap (never remember the spelling) | 16:59 |
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| harlowja | kevinbenton have u seen any kind of neutron memory leak (or know of any bugs related to that) ? | 17:42 |
| harlowja | ops here (at godaddy) are seeing neutron slowly keel over after enough time (and then restart) | 17:42 |
| harlowja | anything ring a bell for u? | 17:42 |
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| kevinbenton | harlowja: nothing specific. I remember someone mentioning a memory issue before, but never got any details | 17:43 |
| harlowja | k | 17:43 |
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| kevinbenton | harlowja: godaddy runs all custom plugins right? | 17:46 |
| harlowja | not much i think, a few set of patches, but nothing crazy | 17:46 |
| kevinbenton | harlowja: IIRC from the large ops meetup they were doing a couple of networks with tons of subnets, right? | 17:48 |
| kevinbenton | harlowja: with routing between them | 17:48 |
| harlowja | sounds somewhat right | 17:48 |
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| harlowja | would that matter? | 17:49 |
| kevinbenton | harlowja: right, that's quite a bit different than the normal data model | 17:49 |
| kevinbenton | harlowja: could relate to some poor handling of large amounts of subnets per network somewhere | 17:50 |
| harlowja | kk | 17:50 |
| kevinbenton | harlowja: well if you can get some more hints on what the leaking objects are i might be able to recognize what does it | 17:50 |
| harlowja | nothing like puts stuff in global memory somwhere right? | 17:50 |
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| harlowja | kevinbenton ya, will see what we can get | 17:51 |
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| kevinbenton | harlowja: well there are things like singletons | 17:51 |
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| kevinbenton | harlowja: and a few module level dicts used by those | 17:52 |
| harlowja | kk, will see what more details we can get | 17:52 |
| kevinbenton | harlowja: but most of that is quite small (e.g. API attributes map) | 17:52 |
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| harlowja | cools ya need more info here | 17:55 |
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| kevinbenton | harlowja: I do remember the DB connection pools per API worker building over time was an issue | 18:00 |
| harlowja | hmmmmm | 18:00 |
| harlowja | was that fixed? | 18:00 |
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| kevinbenton | harlowja: this was added | 18:02 |
| kevinbenton | review.openstack.org/#/c/278007/ | 18:02 |
| kevinbenton | Not for memory reasons, but it might help | 18:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/oslo.middleware: Add ability to show full object table and referrers + referents https://review.openstack.org/321179 | 18:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/oslo.middleware: Add ability to show full object table and referrers + referents https://review.openstack.org/321179 | 19:10 |
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| cdent | harlowja: doing a mini-survey. did you know about https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/BasicDesignTenets ? | 20:02 |
| harlowja | i've seen that at some point in the past cdent | 20:02 |
| harlowja | but i don't think many people have :_P | 20:02 |
| harlowja | :-P | 20:02 |
| cdent | exactly | 20:02 |
| cdent | thus my question | 20:02 |
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| harlowja | those tenents though are ummm, sorta funny imho | 20:03 |
| harlowja | cause who is actually verifying said tenents, the TC, me? u? | 20:03 |
| cdent | sorta funny, like bad and wrong, or sorta funny like naive, or sorta funny like who even is the boss here? | 20:03 |
| harlowja | or operators eventually try it, then it falls over, and then there is the test lol | 20:03 |
| harlowja | cdent maybe all the above, lol | 20:04 |
| cdent | the page was created in 2010 | 20:04 |
| harlowja | ya | 20:04 |
| harlowja | its been brought up on the ML at least a few times | 20:04 |
| harlowja | just not in a year or two i think | 20:04 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:04 |
| harlowja | if u've been in openstack 5+ years (i guess i have) u've started to see it all, lol | 20:05 |
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| harlowja | but ya, SpamapS and myself and others were thinking a ARB or even a ghetto-ARB might be useful in openstack, idk | 20:06 |
| harlowja | wish i could spend time making that real, imho its needed | 20:06 |
| * cdent sends harlowja a gift certificate to a spa weekend | 20:06 | |
| harlowja | lol | 20:06 |
| harlowja | those are every 6 months, aka summit spas | 20:07 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:07 |
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| cdent | arb like arch review board or some other kind of arb? | 20:08 |
| harlowja | ya, that kind | 20:08 |
| cdent | isn't the place astronauts go to stay in orbit while the paint on the shed dries? | 20:08 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:09 |
| cdent | and in case: I know I'm crazy, but I honestly thought an ARB would be what the TC is. | 20:09 |
| harlowja | don't get me started :-P | 20:09 |
| harlowja | or maybe not ARB, but more of architectural helping and making betterness board | 20:09 |
| * cdent adds salt | 20:10 | |
| harlowja | AHMBB | 20:10 |
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| cdent | a make betterness board sounds nice | 20:10 |
| harlowja | ya, unsure if its possible though (or to little to late?) | 20:10 |
| harlowja | but ya, TC i would of hoped would be more of this kind of thing | 20:11 |
| cdent | for many of the "core" projects the requirements about rolling upgrades and never-break-the-api make it challenging | 20:12 |
| harlowja | sure, perhaps then there should be a easy way to make new projects with the same goal, idk | 20:12 |
| harlowja | phase out nova, make supernova, and repeat | 20:12 |
| harlowja | *as an example* | 20:12 |
| harlowja | during the existence of that first nova, do rolling upgrades, never break, and let supernova be the next-gen | 20:13 |
| cdent | yes, supernova has been much on my mind lately | 20:13 |
| harlowja | (ya, pick a better name, lol) | 20:13 |
| cdent | but the common response to that is: look how long it took neutron to become a thing | 20:13 |
| harlowja | to me its somewhat weird that we froze all the projects so early in the existence of openstack | 20:13 |
| harlowja | only one compute project, nova, but maybe part of the nova folks want to make supernova, shouldn't they be allowed to? | 20:14 |
| cdent | yeah, I don't understand that | 20:14 |
| harlowja | if half of the nova folks want to keep nova going, sure fine, but supernova could be an eventual agreed goal for the whole project, and then its just how to get there... | 20:15 |
| harlowja | anyways, ya, there u go :-P | 20:15 |
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| cdent | ✔ | 20:15 |
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| harlowja | and ya, working with other non-openstack communities needs to be better also imho, but ya, that's an uncomfortable thing for some | 20:17 |
| harlowja | like i would start to think that there are enough influential people in openstack (at various levels) to engage better with the docker, k8s ... folks | 20:17 |
| harlowja | combine all together and form super-openstack, lol | 20:17 |
| harlowja | or something | 20:17 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:17 |
| harlowja | super super | 20:17 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:17 |
| harlowja | stuff like docker, k8s, is going to happen no matter what, so why are we not embracing it better as a group? | 20:18 |
| harlowja | embracing the folks that are making it, becoming BFF with them and all living happily ever after | 20:18 |
| harlowja | and enough crap out of me :-P | 20:19 |
| cdent | and we'll all sing, and share pizza | 20:20 |
| harlowja | around a bonfire | 20:20 |
| cdent | kumbaya (or however you spell it) | 20:20 |
| harlowja | :-P | 20:22 |
| harlowja | but ya, such fundamental questions, idk why we as a group avoid (do we?) | 20:22 |
| cdent | depends on which "we" we are talking about | 20:22 |
| SpamapS | harlowja: oh I haven't given up on an ARB! | 20:23 |
| harlowja | ya, fair point | 20:23 |
| harlowja | SpamapS ok, maybe change to AHMBB first | 20:23 |
| cdent | and the reason why might be "zomg, don't rock the enterprisey boondoggle boat!!!!!!" | 20:23 |
| harlowja | cdent quite possibly | 20:23 |
| harlowja | damn boondoogles | 20:23 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:23 |
| harlowja | cdent it reminds me of a story i heard from yahoo opensource guy about hadoop | 20:25 |
| harlowja | in that there will always be a set of people that will be aiming toward the stable hadoop (yahoo) and there will always be the people (Startups?) that want to push hadoop | 20:25 |
| harlowja | a community has to live really in both and find the balance | 20:26 |
| harlowja | yahoo apparently pissed off some folks by trying to do the stable-hadoop | 20:26 |
| harlowja | but to me, things like nova-next or super-nova or whatever shouldn't be dismissed, but should be accepted and embraced | 20:26 |
| cdent | it kind of has to happen | 20:27 |
| cdent | otherwise we're pretending that not only are people infallable (which they are not) but that we must live with it (which no one should have to) | 20:27 |
| harlowja | agreed, it will happen no matter what in all reality | 20:28 |
| harlowja | but nobody has approached that question of doing it, and what happens if its done :P | 20:30 |
| * harlowja not it, lol | 20:30 | |
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| harlowja | cdent i've heard rumors (idk how true) that k8s might start to deploy VM(s) and not just containers and ... | 20:52 |
| harlowja | idk how true all that is though | 20:52 |
| cdent | harlowja: it seems entirely likely and a) why not? b) k8s gonna have openstack for lunch | 20:53 |
| cdent | ironic will be left standing, nova cut the ground | 20:53 |
| cdent | s/the/to the/ | 20:53 |
| harlowja | ya, quite possibly if these rumors materialize | 20:54 |
| cdent | who is producin gthe rumors? | 20:59 |
| harlowja | some guy i talked to on the phone from apceria i think | 21:00 |
| cdent | let me ask my k8s gy | 21:01 |
| harlowja | k | 21:01 |
| cdent | he's keeping shtum | 21:04 |
| harlowja | shtum ? | 21:06 |
| cdent | staying quiet | 21:06 |
| harlowja | ah | 21:06 |
| harlowja | k | 21:06 |
| harlowja | google people and there staying quiet crap, lol | 21:06 |
| cdent | but the connotation is that he's hiding something, but actually I have no idea, he's probably just not on the other end of the slack line | 21:07 |
| harlowja | ya, who knows | 21:07 |
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| cdent | harlowja: seen https://github.com/hyperhq/hypernetes ? | 21:15 |
| harlowja | ya | 21:15 |
| * harlowja is working to get those guys to be more active in k8s | 21:15 | |
| harlowja | https://groups.google.com/d/msg/kubernetes-sig-openstack/XbN1RB_Cv-k/-a4Phv_ADQAJ | 21:16 |
| harlowja | i'm everywhere, lol | 21:16 |
| * cdent gives in and joins that group | 21:17 | |
| harlowja | if u want, ha | 21:18 |
| harlowja | all the cool kids doing it | 21:18 |
| cdent | mostly for info grazing | 21:18 |
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| cdent | I'm a junkie for info | 21:18 |
| harlowja | ya, that whole group is ummm, not so transparent imho right now | 21:18 |
| cdent | ha! | 21:18 |
| harlowja | maybe its just the tendency to use google docs, google groups | 21:18 |
| harlowja | google google | 21:18 |
| harlowja | lol | 21:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Andrew Laski proposed openstack/oslo.policy: Add sample file generation script and helper methods https://review.openstack.org/314244 | 21:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Andrew Laski proposed openstack/oslo.policy: Add equality operator to policy.RuleDefault https://review.openstack.org/321242 | 21:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Andrew Laski proposed openstack/oslo.policy: Add helper methods for generating policy info https://review.openstack.org/321243 | 21:20 |
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| harlowja | dhellmann dims do u remember about the decision to use reno for oslo libraries, we all sort of leaned toward the 'nice to have but not needed' outcome right? | 22:24 |
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