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| claudiub | dims_: hello. I have a question about oslo.messaging. Is there any known issues when multiple threads are using the same rpc connection? | 10:54 |
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| rbradfor | harlowja, Something for your Newton Advocate plans "We need a consistent OpenStack. If each project takes a slightly different approach to something, it makes subsequent management and support very difficult. To that end, all of our projects should use a consistent set of tools, frameworks, and libraries." - https://krotscheck.net/2016/03/25/we-need-an-consistent-openstack.html It seems that everybody knows this but no one will actually stand up | 14:04 |
| rbradfor | , and be bashed around until it's agreed upon to be done. | 14:04 |
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| pmath | Good morning Oslo | 14:07 |
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| pmath | I'm trying to use the sqlalchemy.provision module to complete https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294183/7 (the last comment), are there any provision pros that have time for a couple questions? | 14:08 |
| patchbot | pmath: patch 294183 - neutron - WIP: Add test for migration using revsion id. | 14:08 |
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| timsim | Hello oslos, if I'm casting a ton of things in oslo messaging, and I've got x receivers, how does the pulling of those things off that queue work? When does something (an x ) decide to pull a message off the queue, vs, deciding that it's too busy? | 15:55 |
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| harlowja | rbradfor also i find it intersting that alot of the TC submissions for candidates all mention cross-project work | 16:35 |
| rbradfor | harlowja, yes, there is an ever increasing critical mass of development, and the weight of inconsistencies is what causes a product not to mature. | 16:37 |
| rbradfor | if only we could educate developers on the true cost of decision in a cycle milestone to the total lifespan of the use of a deployed product. | 16:37 |
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| harlowja | ya, if only :-P | 16:39 |
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| rbradfor | until you live in the shoes of a operations/deployers you will never understand or appreciate the impact of five different ways to do the same thing. it may seem you want to be different for a small reason, but it's consistency that leads to effective products | 16:39 |
| harlowja | ya | 16:39 |
| rbradfor | there has to be effective architectural oversight and a top-down decision to drive these requirements. I do not see this existing. I do not see a cross-project discussion as the means to have a consensus, it only leads to more discussion of fragmentation IMO | 16:40 |
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| rbradfor | "official guideline" != "implementation". Case in point, Oslo adoption. | 16:42 |
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| harlowja | agreed | 16:45 |
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| harlowja | rbradfor i have a sudden feeling both of us could do a blog about this :) | 16:45 |
| harlowja | cause i'm pretty sure we have similar feelings | 16:46 |
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| harlowja | rbradfor i'm glad some of the folks running for TC are willing to try to change this | 16:49 |
| rbradfor | harlowja, a discussion for summit perhaps with a few more like minded people, I feel talking about it will inevitably lead to frustration, to make an impact one needs to pick a "point of inconsistency" and work diligently to making it consistent, therefore setting an example. This WSME thread is a great example of project simply copying other projects starting point. | 16:49 |
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| harlowja | rbradfor agreed, that would be good to do | 16:50 |
| harlowja | we should be able to find said people | 16:50 |
| harlowja | i know a few | 16:50 |
| rbradfor | yell, just having everbody using the oslo-config-generator is a place. The backlash I read from Ironic is not a means of "thinking towards a consistent and coherent OpenStack product" | 16:51 |
| rbradfor | one should just table the areas of inconsistency, perhaps that weight may start a more serious discussion | 16:51 |
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| harlowja | as in document some of those potential areas? | 16:52 |
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| harlowja | rbradfor i start to have flashbacks of the zookeeper / DLM session at the last summit though | 16:54 |
| harlowja | lol | 16:54 |
| harlowja | where i was more hoping we could all support zookeeper and use it, because consistency ... but there is always the few that will say 'nope i can't' | 16:55 |
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| harlowja | to me other projects that have picked etcd or consul have been able to do things that openstack hasn't because of that choice | 16:55 |
| harlowja | *kubernetes and its minions and etcd... | 16:56 |
| harlowja | but meh, what can i do, ha | 16:58 |
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| rbradfor | harlowja, so the summit agenda is finalized, I've added the meeting times to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-oslo-summit-planning | 17:11 |
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| harlowja | rbradfor thx | 17:12 |
| harlowja | checking that out | 17:12 |
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| rbradfor | I was reading the Nova Newton priorities http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/090927.html and based on a few point I have a suggestion | 17:21 |
| harlowja | uh oh, i gotta read that over :) | 17:23 |
| rbradfor | there are people that are experts in some libraries, and there are people that know nothing about them (using myself, I know nothing about messaging code base. If we wanted to encourage new reviewers, and more cross skills, what if Oslo tackled some of the proposal sequentially. This would enable for example myself, to learn from an experienced person in a given library, hopefully that may encourge other oslo contributors. When said library enga | 17:23 |
| rbradfor | ges with certain projects, we lean on cross-project liason to emphasis the schedule and task to encourage their projects resources | 17:23 |
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| harlowja | seems fair, i'll read the thread over (sorta skipped that one, ha) | 17:24 |
| rbradfor | no need to read, it was just they set like 3 priorities, the said what they would not do, and even what to do in O. i.e. there was more planning in where to achieve successful outcomes. | 17:25 |
| rbradfor | put another way, if you could only pick 3, which are they, set yourself up for success, and then stretch goals, not being spread thinly. | 17:26 |
| harlowja | 'Tasks API' not this cycle :( | 17:27 |
| rbradfor | when you have a dozen worker bees that are also the queens of their own work, progress is measured by individuals, not the Oslo team. | 17:27 |
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| * rbradfor had to change the indians and chiefs references to be PC | 17:28 | |
| harlowja | lol | 17:28 |
| * rbradfor now I created a gender inaquality reference | 17:29 | |
| harlowja | lol | 17:29 |
| harlowja | aren't all worker bees females? | 17:29 |
| harlowja | so i think its ok | 17:29 |
| harlowja | lol | 17:29 |
| harlowja | pretty sure male bee's don't last long | 17:29 |
| harlowja | brb | 17:30 |
| rbradfor | in my own personal thoughts for Newton I started reconsidering interests when dims created the https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-oslo-achievements | 17:30 |
| rbradfor | what if tried to write the newton-oslo-achievements during the summit for example | 17:31 |
| * rbradfor time to have lunch | 17:32 | |
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| harlowja | rbradfor hmmm, that'd be interesting | 17:42 |
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| rbradfor | goal orientated v task oriented | 18:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ronald Bradford proposed openstack/oslo.utils: Add importutils.import_any method https://review.openstack.org/296463 | 18:45 |
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| harlowja | rbradfor back to your thought on the nova priorities thread, one such idea is 'Tasks API', a oslo person could pick that one off, and see how taskflow(?) could help with this | 20:24 |
| harlowja | since afaik, jaypipes and others were thinking it (taskflow) can be a part of this | 20:24 |
| harlowja | said helping would also be good for taskflow as well | 20:25 |
| harlowja | it does need some nova core though to help in reviews of such code | 20:25 |
| rbradfor | harlowja, that seems as a one key target for taskflow implementation (perhaps if not already, it should be an Oslo discussion re greater adoption ) | 20:26 |
| harlowja | agreed | 20:26 |
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| harlowja | i'll try to remember in next meeting to bring this topic up ('re greater adoption') | 20:27 |
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| rbradfor | harlowja, your ML email did not generate that much traction either | 20:52 |
| harlowja | rbradfor which one? | 20:52 |
| harlowja | the more liasons one? | 20:52 |
| rbradfor | What would you like changed/fixed/new in oslo http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/089909.html | 20:53 |
| harlowja | ya, started a little discussion about messaging | 20:53 |
| harlowja | but not much else | 20:53 |
| rbradfor | suggestion, next week ask the CPL for which session in each project is the best one for an Oslo core to attend to discuss any better Oslo involvement. Hopefully we can cover somebody sitting in. | 20:54 |
| harlowja | ya, good idea | 20:54 |
| rbradfor | I know personally I want to go to some ops summit sessions to here how any suggestions/critisims can be aided by oslo help. | 20:54 |
| harlowja | +1 | 20:55 |
| rbradfor | Advocacy is sometimes just about showing a presence, the enables more discussion | 20:55 |
| harlowja | yuppers | 20:55 |
| rbradfor | anyway, my 2 cents at 4pm on a Friday | 20:55 |
| rbradfor | doh 5pm, perhaps I need to get up! | 20:56 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:56 |
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| rbradfor | I just published like 5 blog posts today (nothing Oslo related yet!) | 20:56 |
| harlowja | woah | 20:56 |
| rbradfor | they have been in various forms of drafts, needed to commit to it. | 20:57 |
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| harlowja | :) | 20:57 |
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