Thursday, 2016-03-24

gusand at a casual glance, the last few uses of details.get("encoded") seem inconsistent with the details[u"encoded"] usage earlier.00:00
harlowja_at_homeyup, if/when sileht gets around i'd like to know more00:00
harlowja_at_homeit almost feels like something wrong in the msgpack lib, idk00:01
harlowja_at_homei get that keys in py2 when written likely would be just binary strings00:01
harlowja_at_homethat when read on py3 would then be read as binary strings (not the default unicode)00:02
harlowja_at_homesileht, would just using binary keys all over be fine then?00:02
harlowja_at_homeand then the old format would work?00:02
gusafaik either works, so long as you're consistent.  And 291836 has a compatibility challenge which makes this murkier...00:04
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harlowja_at_homegus, right00:05
gusoh and of course the bare "foo" is b"foo" on py2 but u"foo" on py3 just to be annoying.00:06
guswe should probably just introduce a hacking check to ban all bare strings ...00:07
lifelessgus: from future import unicode_literals00:09
guslifeless: even better.00:09
harlowja_at_homeya, that works to00:16
* harlowja_at_home forget about that magic import00:16
harlowja_at_home*forgot00:16
gusah I wondered about that - unicode_literals also changes docstrings, and apparently py<2.7.7 wasn't ok with that.00:18
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harlowja_at_homearg00:19
harlowja_at_homelol00:19
lifelessgus: does that matter to us?00:20
lifelessgus: lots of projects use unicode_literals successfully00:20
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guslifeless: no I don't believe its a problem for us (assuming we're agreed that py>=2.7.7 is ok)00:21
gusand for any code that believes it is py3-clean, I think *not* using unicode_literals would be more likely to introduce unintentional errors.00:22
lifelessgus: even below 2.7.700:23
lifelessgus: it works fine in 2.6 for instance00:24
guslifeless: I was assuming that breaking pydoc for <2.7.7 was unacceptable.  You're suggesting it's ok?00:24
lifelessgus: is that what the < 2.7.7 thing is?00:24
gusoh, right.  Yes it works fine in <2.7.7 provided you don't actually use a non-ascii character in your now-unicode docstring.00:24
gusso that is probably just fine.00:24
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gus(I'm going purely off the brief description of the issue in http://python-future.org/unicode_literals.html btw)00:25
lifelessgus: oh, ugh, too much magic in python-future00:26
lifelessthe interaction with wsgi might matter, but I don't think its deep, if at all00:28
gusimo, if it's going to be an issue in py3 anyway (and the code claims to be py3-clean), then we should make py2 see the same unicode-literal situation.00:30
gusalthough that probably becomes challenging when we only make the change to one oslo library but not the downstream project that consumes it.00:31
lifelessmy main concern would be the cognitive overhead of having to check each file's header during the transition period00:31
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lifelessharlowja_at_home: whats your pypi username ?00:58
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openstackgerritSteve Kowalik proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Do not convert git tags when searching history  https://review.openstack.org/29686301:56
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harlowja_at_homelifeless, let me check, can never remember, ha02:28
harlowja_at_homelifeless, 'Joshua.Harlow'02:29
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo.db: Remove  sqlalchemy < 1.0.0 compatible layer  https://review.openstack.org/29241302:40
openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo.messaging: Simulator: make parameter wait_after_msg float  https://review.openstack.org/29574702:42
lifelessharlowja_at_home: added you to funcsigs on pypi02:44
harlowja_at_homelifeless, thx02:46
harlowja_at_homeonly took 3 years02:46
harlowja_at_homelol02:46
openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo.serialization: Make msgpack registries copyable (and add __contains__)  https://review.openstack.org/28961102:51
lifelessharlowja_at_home: we got it months back, just hadn't gotten a round tuit02:52
harlowja_at_homeah02:56
harlowja_at_home2.5 years then02:56
harlowja_at_homelol02:56
lifelesslol03:01
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openstackgerritMerged openstack-dev/pbr: Do not convert git tags when searching history  https://review.openstack.org/29686304:58
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openstackgerritJoshua Harlow proposed openstack/tooz: coordination: expose a heartbeat loop methods (2)  https://review.openstack.org/29507505:06
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openstackgerritJie Li proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Avoid raising meaningless exception of AttributeError  https://review.openstack.org/29693207:51
openstackgerritDina Belova proposed openstack/osprofiler: Clean thread local profiler object after usage  https://review.openstack.org/29451507:52
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openstackgerritDina Belova proposed openstack/osprofiler: Add hepler to trace sessions  https://review.openstack.org/29451607:54
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openstackgerritKanagaraj Manickam proposed openstack/oslo.config: Fix oslo-config-generator to silently tell error  https://review.openstack.org/29695508:53
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/osprofiler: Avoid multiple tracing when applying meta or class decorator  https://review.openstack.org/27157909:27
openstackgerritMerged openstack/osprofiler: Avoid tracing class and static methods  https://review.openstack.org/27817209:27
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dimsozamiatin_ : sileht : let's get these in please https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296365/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296366/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296622/10:19
patchbotdims: patch 296365 - oslo.messaging - Update CheckForLoggingIssues hacking rule from key...10:19
patchbotdims: patch 296366 - oslo.messaging - [py34] replace file with io.open10:19
patchbotdims: patch 296622 - oslo.messaging - Claim python3 compatability for Newton onwards10:19
* sileht opens the links10:20
haypodims: did you see my comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296366/ ? io.open() can be replaced with open()10:21
patchbothaypo: patch 296366 - oslo.messaging - [py34] replace file with io.open10:21
haypodims: i also asked a question  at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296622/10:21
patchbothaypo: patch 296622 - oslo.messaging - Claim python3 compatability for Newton onwards10:21
dimshaypo : both should work right?10:21
dimsoops, i had missed that10:22
haypodims: yeah. but open() is more common and short :)10:22
hayposhorter10:22
dimsack fixing10:22
openstackgerritDavanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: [py34] replace file with io.open  https://review.openstack.org/29636610:22
openstackgerritDavanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Claim python3 compatability for Newton onwards  https://review.openstack.org/29662210:22
dimsdone haypo10:23
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haypodims: "replace file with io.open" really? :)10:24
haypoi approved "Claim python3 compatability"10:25
dimshaypo : it works :)10:25
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thervejd__, Hey have you seen my comment on https://review.openstack.org/296061 ?10:38
jd__therve: yes10:38
jd__did it call for a reply?10:38
thervejd__, plz respond kthxbi10:38
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therveIt can be here though :)10:39
jd__therve: gogogo10:39
jd__I just replied that :p10:39
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openstackgerritThomas Herve proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Fix wsgiref script use with oslo.config  https://review.openstack.org/29606110:48
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openstackgerritAlexey Yelistratov proposed openstack/osprofiler: Add backward compatible drivers structure  https://review.openstack.org/24700511:31
openstackgerritVictor Stinner proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: [py34] replace file() with open()  https://review.openstack.org/29636611:32
openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo.messaging: Update CheckForLoggingIssues hacking rule from keystone  https://review.openstack.org/29636511:34
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dimsyay, neutron and keystone fixes went in yesterday. oslo.* master unit tests jobs are all green - http://logstash.openstack.org/#/dashboard/file/logstash.json?query=build_name%3Aperiodic-*-with-oslo-master%20AND%20message%3AFinished&from=864000s11:47
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openstackgerritBogdan Dobrelya proposed openstack/oslo-specs: Add a spec for a work queue messaging pattern  https://review.openstack.org/25634212:15
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mtreinishdims: looks like it's working now, maybe the api server jsut got stuck12:27
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dimsmtreinish : ack thanks!12:46
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cdentdims: I can't remember did I already point you at https://github.com/cdent/microversion-parse and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296046/ ?12:59
patchbotcdent: patch 296046 - openstack-infra/project-config - Add a microversion-parse project12:59
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openstackgerritGevorg Davoian proposed openstack/oslo.serialization: Unified and simplified API for all serializers  https://review.openstack.org/29710713:14
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dimscdent : looks good, one suggestion, how about returning tuples instead of strings? so we can be prescriptive (later if we need it) about whats in the string itself - http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/oslo.utils/tree/oslo_utils/versionutils.py#n8713:19
cdentdims: when discussing this with sdague we decided we want to be very limited in scope, so the returned "thing" needs to be as generic as possible13:19
cdentsince one of the legal values is 'latest' and not a version tuple...13:20
dimscdent : ack. right13:20
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cdentthere was talk of having broader scope, but we decided very very narrow was the way to go13:21
cdentat least for now13:21
dimscdent : another thing would be to add support to log as INFO or DEBUG, non standard headers when they are found13:22
dimsack13:22
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dimscdent : looks good13:22
cdentI'm going to switch enamel to using it, to make sure it actually does what it says (although I think I made the tests pretty comprehensive)13:23
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dimscdent : +113:32
dimscdent : add an entry in pypi too13:32
cdentdims already did13:32
dimscool13:32
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stevemardims: yay for green oslo.* master tests13:36
dims:)13:36
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo.messaging: [py34] replace file() with open()  https://review.openstack.org/29636614:02
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openstackgerritRonald Bradford proposed openstack/oslo.utils: Add importutils.import_any method  https://review.openstack.org/29646314:28
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rbradforharlowja_at_home, your now PTL -> LinkedIn15:05
harlowja_at_homerbradfor, guess i should update linkedin, i haven't in a few weeks :-P15:05
harlowja_at_homei'm no longer at yahoo either, ha15:06
rbradforharlowja_at_home, you don't have too, but it's news, good to let people know.15:06
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harlowja_at_homekk15:07
harlowja_at_homewill do15:07
harlowja_at_homerbradfor, any more  things found on the blogging stuffs?15:07
harlowja_at_homemaybe we can work with infra to have a oslo-blog-repo or something15:07
harlowja_at_homethat autopublishes15:07
harlowja_at_home*on review merge15:07
rbradforharlowja_at_home, been distracted the past few days, but wanted to at least etherpad my thoughts.15:08
harlowja_at_homenp15:08
rbradfori like your idea of having a rst repo of draft content, but where?   Should i just do a github repo for now, as a placeholder.15:08
rbradforinfra is busy with running OS, I doubt a blog repo is a priority.15:08
harlowja_at_homei wonder if there is any github place somewhere that already has this feature15:09
harlowja_at_homeu'd think there would be15:09
rbradforgranted it would be great if infra had another informal repo space, keeps it all in one place.15:09
harlowja_at_homegithub repo + integration with somethign15:09
rbradforthere is, it called github pages, use jekyll15:09
harlowja_at_homeya, maybe can bother ttx if he's around15:09
rbradforharlowja_at_home, https://pages.github.com/15:10
rbradfordont know if it does RSS, so it can be incorporated into the planet15:10
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harlowja_at_homehttps://zapier.com/zapbook/blogger/github/ also seems to be something, but not sure if its what we are looking for15:11
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sbezverkHello is there any plan to backport this patch? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/265163/15:12
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patchbotsbezverk: patch 265163 - oslo.service - Fix artificial service.wait() (MERGED)15:12
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harlowja_at_homesbezverk, u can propose a backport if u want, also if mhorban comes on u can ask him to15:14
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo.messaging: Claim python3 compatability for Newton onwards  https://review.openstack.org/29662215:16
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sbezverkharlowja_at_home thank you, will do that then..15:19
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ttxharlowja_at_home: wassup15:21
harlowja_at_homettx, soooo rbradfor and i had an idea/plan/mission15:21
harlowja_at_homethe idea is in part to make it easy for people in oslo to blog about things in oslo15:21
harlowja_at_homeand one idea was to have a oslo-blog-repo of some sort, that people could propose rst files to, and when merged they would get published to a blog site that would either showup in planet.oopenstack.org or elsewhere in openstack land15:22
ttxyeah, probably simpler to go with some out-of-infra platform for that15:22
ttxand then subscribe that to planet15:22
harlowja_at_homesounds good, just gotta find a good tool that does something like that (seems to be a few)15:23
harlowja_at_homeor some github integration like https://zapier.com/zapbook/blogger/github/ that is working (this one doesn't seem to exist, lol)15:23
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rbradforharlowja_at_home, so lets' work backwards.15:25
rbradfor1. We want a blog that can aggregate to planet.openstack.org.  We want this blog to be "Oslo"15:25
harlowja_at_home:)15:25
harlowja_at_homeright15:25
rbradfor2. We need to host a blog that can be for Oslo publishers.15:25
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rbradfor3. We need a way for multiple publishers to add content, review it, and keep a record of what's going on.15:26
rbradforwhile we are all developers, and we think like a repo, if we look at the scope of the problem, we don't need a repo, we could live with a CMS.15:26
harlowja_at_homeall i know are repos :)15:27
harlowja_at_homelol15:27
rbradforof course anybody can host that, I have 3 or 4 servers, but perhaps we just need a free service.  Not a huge fan of WP, but it works, and you can get a wordpress.com account for free?15:27
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rbradfornow WP software (no guarentee, that wordpress.com allows it), you can easily have multiple publishers, you can have drafts, you can have content history15:28
harlowja_at_homettx,  for https://www.openstack.org/blog/ how does this whole thing get created/managed (i would guess u know)15:28
rbradforI will always be hosting sites, so happy to host a common blog for oslo unofficial blog content.15:29
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harlowja_at_homerbradfor, def, that's an option, although it'd be nice to have https://www.openstack.org/oslo_blog/ (which uses the same code/cms? as https://www.openstack.org/blog/ but just a different url/endpoint)15:30
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rbradforif we start with a repo of rst content (we all know how), but then it's the convert to "bloggable",  KISS would say just write straight, txt/html for blogs.15:30
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dstanekif i have an oslo_config ConfigOps instance, is there a good way to update it with values from another config?15:30
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dstanekfor example, keystone creates an instance when it is being initialized and a little later I have plugin that wants to add its configuration values to that object15:31
rbradforharlowja_at_home, yep I'm with you as ideal, but I feel this is a much larger discussion that will take time. Maybe something for summit to see if we can get a suitable solution15:31
harlowja_at_homedstanek, dhellmann might know that, i don't know of a way that's publicly useable, but there might be15:31
dstaneki have it working using private methods, but that's probably not the right thing to do15:31
harlowja_at_homerbradfor, agreed15:31
harlowja_at_homerbradfor, i'm with u on a solution (KISS) for now until the larger discussion happens/ends15:32
dstanekharlowja_at_home: cool, thx15:32
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rbradforharlowja_at_home, you tackle the end solution, for now I'll setup my proposal for feedback.  We can always blog from our own personal ones initially to start the content creation.15:33
harlowja_at_homerbradfor, i could imagine other projects would want there own little blogspace to15:33
harlowja_at_home(for aspiring project(.*)cores that don't mind writing15:33
harlowja_at_homerbradfor, sounds good15:33
* rbradfor agrees!15:33
harlowja_at_homettx, soooo u think the realm of possiblity of this is zero to none? (aka, should something like it be discussed or not even bother right now?)15:36
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ttxyou can certainly ask for a repo that would contain blog data, and then somehow autopublish that somewhere15:41
ttxwww.openstack.org/blog is the Foundation staff blog15:41
ttxit's a wordpress for all I know15:41
ttxwe have guest posts for some things15:41
ttxlike governance updates15:42
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ttxI think community blogging should go to Planet15:42
ttxthat way you can say what you want15:42
harlowja_at_homek, although this would be somewhat restricted to core blogging15:42
harlowja_at_home(for now)15:42
harlowja_at_homelike www.openstack.org/${project}_blog15:43
harlowja_at_homeand cores can easily put stuff there15:43
ttxthat was discussed in the past (for security I think) and rejected/forgotten15:43
openstackgerritGevorg Davoian proposed openstack/oslo.serialization: Unified and simplified API for all serializers  https://review.openstack.org/29710715:43
ttxso yeah ~015:44
harlowja_at_homettx, k15:44
ttxwould be a good discussion to have, but on the infra side I think15:44
ttxofficial project blogs or whatever15:44
harlowja_at_homeokie, maybe they can remember the reasons it was rejected/forgotten (other...)15:44
ttxsince planet is a bit of everything15:44
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ttxsomething between the openstack foundation blog and the everything-goes, for upstream official projects15:45
harlowja_at_homeyup15:45
harlowja_at_homethat'd be cool15:45
ttxbut the platform we have clearly doesn't support that15:45
ttxso it would likely be something new15:45
harlowja_at_homegotta be some blogging platform that supports it better (one would think)15:46
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harlowja_at_homettx, anyways thx for the info, i'll bug some folks15:47
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ttxharlowja_at_home: if the goal is to differentiate from planet, we could run a specific aggregator for official team blogs16:00
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harlowja_at_homettx, ya, that might work to16:05
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harlowja_at_homettx, ya, part of the goal (in my mind) is to have this be a little more offical than planet stuffs16:06
harlowja_at_homethe place between (official foundation blogs) ----- (everything goes)16:07
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rbradforharlowja_at_home, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo_blog16:14
harlowja_at_homerbradfor, thx16:16
rbradforharlowja_at_home, Can you add a agenda point for monday and I'll bring up then.16:16
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harlowja_at_homesure16:23
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harlowja_at_homerbradfor, very nice etherpad, even with calendars!16:28
rbradforharlowja_at_home, one wants to be specific when creating a plan.16:29
harlowja_at_home:)16:29
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rbradforharlowja_at_home, what do you think about the weekly "Code Alert"  idea for any reviews? Is it too much, i.e. outside of oslo, drawing us away from completing advocacy adequately?16:32
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harlowja_at_homerbradfor, so that would be like a short description/post of what landed in the last week?16:37
rbradforharlowja_at_home, I'd say try to get one review that landed from 10-20 projects each week. Try to have a one/two sentence about it.  Perhaps categories, like Milestone, implemented BP, bug, or just something cool.16:39
rbradforwould people read it, or how does it draw attention to Oslo, are questions we must ask first to determine if time investment is worth it.16:39
harlowja_at_homesounds like a good goal to me, but maybe a stretch one16:39
harlowja_at_homemaybe see how the basic goal goes then that one?16:39
rbradforhaving the CPL help single out something each week, helps the get the ball rolling16:39
* rbradfor agrees16:40
harlowja_at_homeagreed16:40
harlowja_at_homeagreed with u agreeing, ha16:40
openstackgerritRonald Bradford proposed openstack/oslo.utils: Add importutils.import_any method  https://review.openstack.org/29646316:46
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harlowja_at_homevilobhmm11, hey, yt16:53
harlowja_at_homevilobhmm11,  https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-cross-project-sessions if u get a few16:53
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harlowja_at_homeyour name might be on some of those, ha16:53
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openstackgerritJoshua Harlow proposed openstack/osprofiler: Updates to doc conf.py to look the same as other projects  https://review.openstack.org/29726817:34
harlowja_at_homeDinaBelova, ^17:34
DinaBelova:)17:35
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openstackgerritJoshua Harlow proposed openstack/osprofiler: Remove dead/broken link to example  https://review.openstack.org/29727017:43
harlowja_at_homeboris-42, ^17:43
harlowja_at_homedo u know where that site went, lol17:43
harlowja_at_homeDinaBelova, ^17:43
DinaBelovayou may grab pure cinder example http://dinabelova.github.io/cinder.html17:44
DinaBelovaor https://dinabelova.github.io/nova-boot-keystone-cache-turn-on.html17:45
DinaBelovaor, last should not be used - it contains one error :)17:45
DinaBelovaI think just removal is ok :D17:45
harlowja_at_homeDinaBelova, ok :)17:46
openstackgerritMichael Johnson proposed openstack/taskflow: Fix export_to_dot for networkx package changes  https://review.openstack.org/29727517:50
dimsharlowja_at_home : do you have some time to chase this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297134/ (context : http://markmail.org/message/kpelb3di6lw5ame4)17:52
patchbotdims: patch 297134 - oslo.i18n (stable/mitaka) - Updated from global requirements17:52
harlowja_at_homedims, sure i can try17:54
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harlowja_at_homemakes me think its an env issue17:57
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/taskflow: Ensure upgrade for sqlalchemy is protected by a lock  https://review.openstack.org/29505318:32
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openstackgerritJoshua Harlow proposed openstack/oslo.i18n: Better isolate tests and fixtures from environment  https://review.openstack.org/29730418:42
harlowja_at_homedims,  i think ^ should resolve that weird env issue18:43
harlowja_at_homepretty sure something changed the local to the C one (or left it) and the test is just picking that up18:43
harlowja_at_home*locale18:43
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vilobhmm11harlowja_at_home : ya saw that yesterday :) good time to talk about them imho at the summit18:51
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harlowja_at_homevilobhmm11, cool18:54
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dimsharlowja_at_home : interesting thanks. will wait CI19:03
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harlowja_at_homedims, not 100% sure, since can't reproduce it, but that's my gut feeling is that something has changed it19:04
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lifelessharlowja_at_home: https://github.com/testing-cabal/funcsigs19:32
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harlowja_at_homelifeless, nice, forking now19:37
lifelessharlowja_at_home: the bug with wrappers is breaking some cases in mock19:37
lifelessharlowja_at_home: I haven't looked to see if its even in principle possible to tackle - but I'm hopeful that is is :)19:38
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harlowja_at_homewraps or wrappers?19:39
harlowja_at_homeanything is possible!19:39
harlowja_at_homelol19:39
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harlowja_at_homeya, merged my orderedict pull19:39
harlowja_at_homelol19:39
lifelessharlowja_at_home: https://github.com/testing-cabal/mock/issues/29219:41
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lifelessharlowja_at_home: https://github.com/testing-cabal/funcsigs/issues/1319:41
harlowja_at_homeinteresting19:41
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thervelifeless, Could we get a release of testtools btw?19:51
therveIt'd be nice to have the performance regression fixed19:51
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harlowja_at_homelifeless, still seems weird that funcsigs wouldn't handle positional arguments > 1 :-/19:55
harlowja_at_home*for wrapped functions19:55
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harlowja_at_homeanyway19:55
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/osprofiler: Updates to doc conf.py to look the same as other projects  https://review.openstack.org/29726820:01
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lifelessharlowja_at_home: yeah, iz bug:)20:13
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/osprofiler: Remove dead/broken link to example  https://review.openstack.org/29727020:20
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openstackgerritRonald Bradford proposed openstack/oslo-specs: [WIP] Add policy for managing deprecation  https://review.openstack.org/28872020:28
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dstanekdhellmann: you around?20:37
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