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| openstackgerrit | Vipin Balachandran proposed openstack/osprofiler: Improve unit test coverage https://review.openstack.org/292849 | 07:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/osprofiler: Dont claim copyright for future years https://review.openstack.org/292192 | 08:01 |
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| ozamiatin_ | dims: around? | 10:42 |
| dims | ozamiatin_: pong | 10:42 |
| dims | good afternoon | 10:42 |
| ozamiatin_ | dims, hi | 10:42 |
| ozamiatin_ | dims: yesterday I took part in performance meeting | 10:42 |
| dims | y | 10:43 |
| ozamiatin_ | dims: so, my plan is to try light-weight proxies for reducing the number of sockets | 10:43 |
| ozamiatin_ | dims: it's remote proxies not local as we had before | 10:43 |
| ozamiatin_ | dims: the main question is how performance will degrade with such solution | 10:44 |
| ozamiatin_ | dims: so I'm going to test it on 200 nodes lab with rohanion's help | 10:44 |
| dims | ozamiatin_ : can we toggle between the two? | 10:44 |
| ozamiatin_ | dims: yes sure | 10:45 |
| dims | ozamiatin_ : sounds good! do you have some code to do this already? | 10:45 |
| ozamiatin_ | dims: so this would be additional option if sockets number is critical for the deployment | 10:45 |
| ozamiatin_ | dims: in progress, i'll do that in scope of this bug https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287094/ | 10:46 |
| patchbot | ozamiatin_: patch 287094 - oslo.messaging - [zmq] Reduce number of connections | 10:46 |
| dims | ozamiatin_ : ack. thanks! | 10:46 |
| ozamiatin_ | dims: going to complete the task this week | 10:46 |
| dims | ozamiatin_ : sounds good. one question though, how bad would it be for folks to bump up the max socket limit? | 10:47 |
| ozamiatin_ | dims: when we had 35k sockets things were really bad, kernel really can't deal with it | 10:49 |
| dims | ozamiatin_ : gotcha. | 10:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dmitriy Ukhlov proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Fix problems during unstable network https://review.openstack.org/287949 | 11:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alexis Lee proposed openstack/oslo.service: Make _spawn_service more flexible https://review.openstack.org/289876 | 11:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Alexis Lee proposed openstack/oslo.service: Offer mutate_config_files https://review.openstack.org/263312 | 11:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alexis Lee proposed openstack/oslo.log: Allow reload of 'debug' option https://review.openstack.org/254821 | 11:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Oleksii Zamiatin proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: [zmq] Refactoring consumer side https://review.openstack.org/283049 | 11:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Oleksii Zamiatin proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: [zmq] Reduce number of connections https://review.openstack.org/287094 | 12:04 |
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| sdague | dims: victor away atm? | 12:40 |
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| dims | sdague : y | 12:46 |
| sdague | ok, we triggered an interesting eventlet python3 interaction by accident in our tests, and was hoping he could take a look and see if it's an upstream bug he can tackle. | 12:47 |
| sdague | cdent did the first stage analysis that figured thatout | 12:47 |
| cdent | sdague, dims: i just sent it to the mailing list | 12:47 |
| sdague | cdent: awesome, thanks | 12:48 |
| dims | ack. will follow up | 12:48 |
| cdent | to see if a wider net will catch any people crazy enough to go digging | 12:48 |
| sdague | I feel like this was exactly one of the areas the victor has been working on in the 18 stream | 12:48 |
| cdent | It does sound familiar to something he mentioned a while back | 12:49 |
| cdent | back when we fixed that other bug where we worked around it by replacing a raw socket communication with using requests | 12:49 |
| sdague | right | 12:50 |
| sdague | which is the confusing thing | 12:50 |
| sdague | because this is using requests | 12:50 |
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| cdent | I'm not certain that our switch to using requests before did anything significant other that changing the timing | 12:51 |
| cdent | and it simply a race condition in eventlet | 12:51 |
| cdent | which is inevitable | 12:51 |
| * cdent _hates_ eventlet | 12:51 | |
| cdent | but will continue the good fight | 12:51 |
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| dims | cdent : did eventlet monkey patching happen correctly when that point was reached? | 12:54 |
| dims | cdent : sorry dumb question i know | 12:54 |
| cdent | dims, yeah, I checked that | 12:55 |
| cdent | in any case, the immediately following request works | 12:55 |
| cdent | so it's...ya know, magic :) | 12:55 |
| therve | cdent, I thought the eventlet error was fixed by https://github.com/eventlet/eventlet/pull/275/commits/58a55efad1578487f2bc8f6d3b46176f752a8489 | 12:55 |
| cdent | therve: I think that fixed some of it | 12:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alexis Lee proposed openstack/oslo-specs: log: Mutable logging https://review.openstack.org/293433 | 13:35 |
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| lxsli | mriedem: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282347/ is passing CI, please would you take a look? | 13:37 |
| patchbot | lxsli: patch 282347 - requirements (stable/liberty) - Reset oslo.config upper-constraints to Liberty GA ... | 13:37 |
| mriedem | lxsli: is it possible to have https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281794/ depend on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282347/ to verify it works to unblock the former? | 13:38 |
| patchbot | mriedem: patch 281794 - oslo.config (stable/liberty) - Start using reno | 13:38 |
| patchbot | mriedem: patch 282347 - requirements (stable/liberty) - Reset oslo.config upper-constraints to Liberty GA ... | 13:38 |
| lxsli | mriedem: sure, one sec | 13:38 |
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| mriedem | lxsli: ping me when that passes jenkins | 13:45 |
| lxsli | mriedem: will do, thanks | 13:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alexis Lee proposed openstack/oslo-specs: log: Mutable logging https://review.openstack.org/293433 | 14:07 |
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| lxsli | Eyes on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263312/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289876 please? | 14:13 |
| patchbot | lxsli: patch 263312 - oslo.service - Offer mutate_config_files | 14:13 |
| lxsli | dhellmann: ^^ | 14:13 |
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| dhellmann | lxsli : I'll put them in my queue, but I'm going to be fairly busy until the release is done so it might be a while before I can actually review | 14:33 |
| lxsli | OK, thanks :) | 14:36 |
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| mriedem | lxsli: looks like you are missing another dependency https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281794/ | 15:26 |
| patchbot | mriedem: patch 281794 - oslo.config (stable/liberty) - Start using reno | 15:26 |
| mriedem | the releasenotes job fails b/c there is no tox.ini target for the job | 15:26 |
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| lxsli | curses | 15:42 |
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| bknudson | does the specs still need the check_blueprints_release job? It didn't even run for mitaka | 15:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ronald Bradford proposed openstack/oslo.config: Added i18n formatting to log messages https://review.openstack.org/293538 | 16:10 |
| bknudson | I'll post a review anyways | 16:11 |
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| harlowja_at_home | cdent, thoughts on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/210549/ ? | 16:48 |
| patchbot | harlowja_at_home: patch 210549 - openstack-specs - Super scheduling (WIP) | 16:48 |
| harlowja_at_home | its getting more interesting now :-P | 16:48 |
| cdent | harlowja_at_home: I've seen the recent comments but haven't really digested it yet. | 16:49 |
| harlowja_at_home | def starting to asking the good questions from various folks, ha | 16:49 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, same here | 16:49 |
| * harlowja_at_home glad good questions are being raised | 16:49 | |
| openstackgerrit | Alexis Lee proposed openstack/oslo-specs: log: Mutable logging https://review.openstack.org/293433 | 16:49 |
| cdent | yes | 16:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alexis Lee proposed openstack/oslo.log: Allow reload of 'debug' option https://review.openstack.org/254821 | 16:50 |
| harlowja_at_home | how's the shoe co? | 16:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Alexis Lee proposed openstack/oslo.log: Reload log_config_append config on SIGHUP https://review.openstack.org/293561 | 16:50 |
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| cdent | no new sales in shoes | 16:51 |
| cdent | I think that message must have been too out in political left field for people to touch it (other thanyou) | 16:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Alexis Lee proposed openstack/oslo-specs: log: Mutable logging https://review.openstack.org/293433 | 16:53 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:53 |
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| harlowja_at_home | cdent, i'll respond, maybe i'll have a sock co analogy, | 16:54 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:54 |
| harlowja_at_home | cause u need socks for shoes | 16:54 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:54 |
| cdent | but never with sandals | 16:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed openstack/oslo.middleware: Retain reference to GroupAttrs in CORS middleware https://review.openstack.org/291381 | 16:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed openstack/oslo.middleware: Added set_defaults method to oslo_middleware.cors https://review.openstack.org/285368 | 16:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed openstack/oslo.middleware: Removed default headers from CORS_OPTS https://review.openstack.org/293566 | 16:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed openstack/oslo.middleware: Set default allow methods to those defined in RFC 2616 https://review.openstack.org/293567 | 16:56 |
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| cdent | harlowja_at_home: your g oogle comment on the quota thread is pretty much "openstack is not a distributed system" in a nutshell | 17:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 17:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 17:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'm working on digging more details from the grapevine from someone | 17:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | but let's see | 17:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | this is what i've heard so far, lol | 17:01 |
| cdent | i can check with my inside guy | 17:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | u have a grapevine to | 17:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 17:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | nice | 17:02 |
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| harlowja_at_home | all the shoes u make gets u connections | 17:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 17:02 |
| cdent | exactly | 17:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | cdent, more like though 'openstack is a confused distributed system' | 17:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | like a confused teen or something | 17:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | that could grow into an adult | 17:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | someday | 17:07 |
| cdent | I'd say it was several teens in the same room | 17:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 17:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | 'openstack is a distributed system going through puberty' | 17:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | there u go | 17:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 17:08 |
| cdent | sometimes they start talking and it is magic | 17:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | quote of the day, lol | 17:08 |
| cdent | ha, yeah | 17:08 |
| * cdent has, like, totally tweeted that | 17:09 | |
| * cdent is so emosh | 17:09 | |
| cdent | etc | 17:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 17:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | go for it | 17:10 |
| cdent | it would be fun to have a week of being in openstack at full id | 17:11 |
| cdent | and then another at full ego | 17:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | assuming u are meaning the psychology terms yes? | 17:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | just checking :-P | 17:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | gotta remember what ego term meant, i remember id, thought openstack was mostly id lol | 17:12 |
| cdent | I think openstack itself is pretty id | 17:12 |
| cdent | but one needs to behave pretty superego to be "appropriate" | 17:13 |
| * harlowja_at_home checking up on my term defintions, lol | 17:13 | |
| cdent | I may not be remembering them properly | 17:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | me and freud haven't been in contact in a while, lol | 17:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | 'The ego develops in order to mediate between the unrealistic id and the external real world. It is the decision making component of personality. Ideally the ego works by reason, whereas the id is chaotic and totally unreasonable.' | 17:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | 'The id is the impulsive (and unconscious) part of our psyche which responds directly and immediately to the instincts. ' | 17:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | 'The superego incorporates the values and morals of society which are learned from one's parents and others.' | 17:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | seems about right | 17:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | so ya, mostly id, lol | 17:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | with a little ego and superego | 17:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 17:15 |
| * dims wonders if he is on the right channel ! | 17:16 | |
| * cdent spies dims' ego hard at work trying to understand the external real world | 17:16 | |
| dims | LOL | 17:16 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims, lol | 17:17 |
| * harlowja_at_home was almost going to get into psychology back in school, but i decided to do computers | 17:18 | |
| harlowja_at_home | probably a good choice, ha | 17:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | the classes were neat though (especially the more advanced ones like social psych and such) | 17:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | weird shit u learn about human nature | 17:19 |
| cdent | reality is a social construct! | 17:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | :-P | 17:19 |
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| harlowja_at_home | well there are lots of weird things people start doing when in groups | 17:19 |
| cdent | like make reality | 17:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | hivemind effects and such | 17:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 17:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | the prisoner experiement at stanford was also a weird one | 17:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | that they won't ever repeat cause it got weird, lol | 17:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | http://www.spring.org.uk/2007/11/10-piercing-insights-into-human-nature.php (some neat ones) | 17:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | http://www.spring.org.uk/2007/09/our-dark-hearts-stanford-prison.php | 17:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | the stanford one ^ | 17:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.messaging: Fix problems during unstable network https://review.openstack.org/287949 | 17:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Brant Knudson proposed openstack/oslo-specs: policy: Support YAML https://review.openstack.org/279725 | 17:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Brant Knudson proposed openstack/oslo-specs: Stop checking for blueprints https://review.openstack.org/293599 | 17:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Brant Knudson proposed openstack/oslo-specs: policy: Support YAML https://review.openstack.org/279725 | 17:27 |
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| cdent | harlowja_at_home: i got the skinny on quota from my borg guy | 18:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 18:09 |
| * harlowja_at_home this channel logged :-P | 18:09 | |
| harlowja_at_home | just fyi ;) | 18:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | (if it matters, ha) | 18:10 |
| cdent | logged twice at least | 18:10 |
| cdent | no apparent secrets here | 18:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 18:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 18:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | what u find out, ha | 18:10 |
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| harlowja_at_home | maybe my grapevine broken, yours sounds more correct | 18:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 18:10 |
| cdent | there is a concept called accounting that makes an authoritative statement about what can use how much, and that information is published to each cell | 18:11 |
| cdent | no service | 18:11 |
| cdent | because services are unreliable and have latency issues | 18:11 |
| cdent | published _as a file_ | 18:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 18:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | wonder if my grapevine was non-borg | 18:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | anyways, ya, a file | 18:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | in excel format? | 18:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 18:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | that'd be super | 18:13 |
| cdent | I was specifically asking about borg stuff. It may be that for someone who is a google user (e.g. me) there would be a different concept of quota | 18:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 18:14 |
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| harlowja_at_home | the authorative statement part though overlaps with what i've heard | 18:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | and publishing/syncing to somewhere, and then the places that consume that have to figure out what to do if the statement says things different than local knowledge | 18:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | (like delete things, or allow-no-more X things to be used until things get reduced ....) | 18:16 |
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| cdent | notmyname's suggestion about authz make sense to me | 18:18 |
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| harlowja_at_home | cdent, agreed, but this gets into the 'keystone mission' and blah blah | 18:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | and 1 year later we will be back here, lol | 18:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | i don't disagree with the keystone would be a nice place for it | 18:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | just need other people to finally agree | 18:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 18:23 |
| cdent | doesn't have to be keystone, just some similar place in the stack | 18:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | agreed | 18:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | bbl | 18:24 |
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| ayoung | sileht, dims is there any way to tell what kind of fields to expect on a target object passed to _send in the _driver/amqp.py call? | 18:40 |
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| harlowja | cdent do u want to share with the world your grapevine borg view? | 19:15 |
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| harlowja | said grapevine view might be useful to someone (besides me, ha) | 19:15 |
| cdent | harlowja: I was going to think about it overnight and then join the thread in progress tomorrow morning | 19:15 |
| harlowja | kk | 19:15 |
| harlowja | sounds good | 19:16 |
| cdent | I've run out of communication capacity | 19:16 |
| harlowja | lol | 19:16 |
| harlowja | recharge needed | 19:16 |
| * harlowja i know the feeling | 19:16 | |
| cdent | at the moment I'm trying to understand to what extent people mean "accounting" when the say "quotas" | 19:16 |
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