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| r1chardj0n3s | hi folks, could someone please clue me into where openstack-common is these days? | 04:32 |
| r1chardj0n3s | (used to be called oslo-incubator, but that's empty now IIUC) | 04:32 |
| r1chardj0n3s | there's still tons of references to oslo-incubator (including the oslo wiki, etc. etc.) yet it's just a dead end. no note in the README of that project that it's been moved elsewhere. I found https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245461/ which just says "cleaning up" and a vague reference to an announcement on openstack-dev | 04:40 |
| r1chardj0n3s | which might be this? https://openstack.nimeyo.com/65080/openstack-dev-last-sync-from-oslo-incubator | 04:42 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Has anyone thought about allowing save_and_reraise_exception() to be used as something other than a context manager? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263300/11/glance/api/v1/images.py has me thinking that using it only as a context manager is a bit ... limiting | 17:37 |
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| harlowja | sigmavirus24 whats your idea for more than a context manager? | 18:12 |
| harlowja | in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263300/11/glance/api/v1/images.py just use the raise keyword? | 18:13 |
| sigmavirus24 | harlowja: something like excutils.save_and_reraise_exception(...).force_reraise() | 18:13 |
| harlowja | isn't that the raise keyword, lol | 18:13 |
| sigmavirus24 | harlowja: save_and_reraise_exception() has teh benefit of doing lgoic | 18:13 |
| sigmavirus24 | harlowja: I know | 18:13 |
| sigmavirus24 | But I'm getting pushback for wanting to just use raise | 18:13 |
| harlowja | hmmm | 18:13 |
| sigmavirus24 | (And this person is ignoring pleas to not use the class that way) | 18:14 |
| harlowja | ya, in that review it seems ummm sorta useless to use it | 18:14 |
| harlowja | it seems like u don't even need to catch the exception.Duplicate in that review in the first place if it just raises it without doing anything | 18:14 |
| harlowja | *aka no handling of the exception is actually done :-P | 18:14 |
| sigmavirus24 | harlowja: right, I think this person greped for bare raise's and replaced them haphazardly | 18:15 |
| harlowja | oh man, another thing to get https://github.com/openstack/nerd-reviewer#nerdreviewer---automates-dull-daily-routine-code-reviews to do | 18:15 |
| sigmavirus24 | harlowja: I think that block is there because the except Exception block has different logic | 18:15 |
| * harlowja has to start keeping a list of things that people do automatically, lol | 18:15 | |
| harlowja | sigmavirus24 ah, ya good point | 18:15 |
| sigmavirus24 | harlowja: some of their replacements have also had broken logic | 18:16 |
| harlowja | oops | 18:16 |
| harlowja | lol | 18:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/oslo.utils: Add excutils.save_and_reraise_exception.force_reraise https://review.openstack.org/271459 | 18:21 |
| harlowja | sigmavirus24 ^ | 18:21 |
| sigmavirus24 | harlowja: oooooh shiny | 18:22 |
| harlowja | :-P | 18:22 |
| sigmavirus24 | I would have done it myself, wanted to see if anyone agreed that it could be useful | 18:22 |
| sigmavirus24 | Thanks for giving me something to +1 though harlowja | 18:22 |
| sigmavirus24 | My review stats are probably awful | 18:22 |
| harlowja | np | 18:22 |
| harlowja | lol | 18:22 |
| sigmavirus24 | (*awfully negative) | 18:22 |
| harlowja | haha | 18:22 |
| harlowja | u can -1 it if u want | 18:23 |
| harlowja | i'm ok with that, lol | 18:23 |
| harlowja | i didn't add a test :-P | 18:23 |
| sigmavirus24 | harlowja: okay, yeah, I think I found a teensy bug in that | 18:24 |
| harlowja | kk | 18:24 |
| harlowja | so i think it'll have to be something like excutils.save_and_reraise_exception().capture().force_reraise() | 18:25 |
| harlowja | is that ok with u? | 18:25 |
| harlowja | because doign stuff in excutils.save_and_reraise_exception() (the __init__ method) will likely end badly for existing folks | 18:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/oslo.utils: Add excutils.save_and_reraise_exception.force_reraise https://review.openstack.org/271459 | 18:29 |
| harlowja | sigmavirus24 ^ | 18:29 |
| sigmavirus24 | harlowja: agreed | 18:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/oslo.utils: Add excutils.save_and_reraise_exception force_reraise + capture https://review.openstack.org/271459 | 18:37 |
| harlowja | sigmavirus24 ok ^ has some tests and stuff, hopefully ok with u | 18:37 |
| harlowja | excutils.save_and_reraise_exception().capture().force_reraise() not so pretty but ummm, whatever, ha | 18:38 |
| harlowja | vs just use 'raise' keyword, lol | 18:38 |
| sigmavirus24 | Thanks harlowja ! | 18:39 |
| harlowja | np | 18:39 |
| harlowja | my good deed for the day | 18:39 |
| harlowja | lol | 18:39 |
| sigmavirus24 | lol | 18:39 |
| sigmavirus24 | Betamax grew start/stop methods so it didn't need to be strictly used as a context-manager too | 18:39 |
| sigmavirus24 | makes sense to not force a context manager into every situation :) | 18:40 |
| harlowja | betamax is still alive! | 18:40 |
| harlowja | vcr battles ftw | 18:41 |
| harlowja | lol | 18:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Add task 'critical' attribute (WIP) https://review.openstack.org/271116 | 19:49 |
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| harlowja | bnemec any good guides on what ansible tower is (reading over the thread about mistral and it) | 20:27 |
| harlowja | http://docs.ansible.com/ansible/tower.html i guess shows something with all its bling, ha | 20:28 |
| bnemec | harlowja: That's pretty much what I was going to point you at. :-) | 20:29 |
| harlowja | kk | 20:29 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:29 |
| harlowja | everyone and there task systems :-P | 20:29 |
| harlowja | task/job systems, lol | 20:29 |
| bnemec | I actually don't have a lot of experience with this. My concerns with that are mostly that we already have a big pile of untestable YAML that's really difficult to understand. I don't want another. :-) | 20:29 |
| harlowja | :-P | 20:29 |
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| harlowja | ya, i totally get that | 20:29 |
| * harlowja will avoid throwing in random taskflow comment in it, lol | 20:30 | |
| harlowja | *taskflow is still python so u don't have to use yaml, lol | 20:30 |
| harlowja | but i'll refraint/control myself, lol | 20:30 |
| harlowja | in general bnemec, something i've never quite understood, but don't really want to hijack that thread, is why tripleo (as in why does it need to exist anymore, use ansible, use chef, use puppet... or make those better); why tripleo :-/ | 20:32 |
| * harlowja doesn't really know the answer to that, lol | 20:32 | |
| harlowja | (but i'm just a tiny infant, with little knowledge of tripleo) | 20:32 |
| bnemec | harlowja: Yeah, personally I feel like everyone got really hung up on the "workflow" part of the API, and less on the fact that it's supposed to make the user experience better. | 20:35 |
| bnemec | Which is unfortunate, but I guess it's typical developer stuff. :-) | 20:35 |
| harlowja | what's this thing u call 'user experience' | 20:36 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:36 |
| harlowja | sounds alien | 20:36 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:36 |
| bnemec | harlowja: Yeah, in the past six months I've gone on a few customer visits. You start to care about user experience real fast when you're sitting with a customer explaining why things are the way they are. :-) | 20:37 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:37 |
| harlowja | ya, hopefully u leave with your cars tires not punctured, lol | 20:38 |
| bnemec | Meh, it was a rental anyway. ;-) | 20:38 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:38 |
| harlowja | don't tell the customer that | 20:38 |
| bnemec | Yeah, fortunately we didn't have a super high bar to jump over. Their previous OpenStack deployment experiences were so bad that if ours even minimally worked it was going to make them happy. :-) | 20:39 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:40 |
| harlowja | ya, i've heard similar things (like one guy at some startup that was going to get acquired, and he had to figure out how to get all the things over to openstack in like a week) | 20:40 |
| harlowja | i don't think he slept for the whole week, lol | 20:41 |
| harlowja | :( | 20:41 |
| bnemec | Yeah, some of the horror stories I've heard are pretty scary. | 20:44 |
| bnemec | I'm probably not at liberty to share any of them though. :-) | 20:44 |
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| harlowja | :-P | 20:55 |
| harlowja | bnemec in 5 years, write a ghost-authored ebook about them, lol | 20:55 |
| harlowja | *using not the real names of companies/people, lol | 20:55 |
| harlowja | i'd be one of the like 5 (?) readers of it, lol | 20:55 |
| harlowja | so it'd def be worth writing, lol | 20:56 |
| harlowja | aka 'The bnemec diaries' | 20:56 |
| bnemec | Heh | 20:57 |
| harlowja | *guess its called ghost written, whatever | 20:57 |
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| fhermeni | hello guys | 21:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Add task 'critical' attribute (WIP) https://review.openstack.org/271116 | 22:00 |
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| fhermeni | harlowja: Hi. I pushed an update about the interoperability. Notably wrt. heat or watcher for http://review.openstack.org/#/c/210549/ . Can you have a look | 22:06 |
| harlowja | sureeeee | 22:06 |
| harlowja | will check that out | 22:06 |
| harlowja | vilobhmm11 ^ | 22:06 |
| harlowja | a common question vilobhmm11 and i (and others) have been wondering still is how do we get information about resources into this new-scheduler thing | 22:07 |
| harlowja | does the watcher project have some magic information set that it uses | 22:08 |
| harlowja | *some kind of hardware/node/network/topology .... data | 22:08 |
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| fhermeni | harlowja: it is said on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher#Architecture they communicate with ceilometer and gnocchi at least | 22:12 |
| fhermeni | harlowja: nagios & stuff | 22:12 |
| harlowja | right, i wonder how much data that actually gets them | 22:12 |
| vilobhmm11 | fhermeni : checking... | 22:12 |
| fhermeni | your point is shall the spec provides also a unique entry point to exhibit the data used by the backend schedulers ? | 22:13 |
| harlowja | well it seems like that spec needs to have access to some location where that data is to make good decisions? | 22:13 |
| vilobhmm11 | +1 | 22:13 |
| harlowja | i know nova has some information, other places others, maybe ceilometer and gnocchi have a good set, not sure | 22:14 |
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| fhermeni | harlowja: not sure. Imho, the spec shall not make any decision. The decisions have to be made by the backend scheduler | 22:15 |
| harlowja | ok, me confused as to what outcome of spec would be then, if it doesn't make any decisions, then is there any code to do anything, or does it just proxy things around :-P | 22:16 |
| harlowja | ^ maybe a proxy is ok, idk | 22:17 |
| fhermeni | harlowja: yes. I am advocating for a proxy. It decouples a bit the architecture and exhibit a common, basic language to express expectations | 22:17 |
| harlowja | k | 22:17 |
| fhermeni | and because the spec offer a larger description of what is wanted, then smarter decisions can be made thanks to a better view of the whole picture | 22:18 |
| harlowja | right, eventual better decisions i guess | 22:18 |
| harlowja | unsure though if we want to couple this to the watcher optimization stuff | 22:19 |
| vilobhmm11 | fhermeni : have you run watcher in your test setup it would be interestring to document what all stats it can report in a cloud | 22:19 |
| vilobhmm11 | harlowja : ^^ | 22:19 |
| harlowja | i haven't | 22:20 |
| harlowja | didn't know it was far enough along in development to run (is it?) | 22:20 |
| vilobhmm11 | just checking https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher | 22:20 |
| fhermeni | vilobhmm11: I did not try watcher for the moment. Just attended to one of their meeting last week to present the action | 22:20 |
| vilobhmm11 | harlowja : will be interestring to check the outcome from there midcycle espcially discussion regarding scheduler https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_mitaka_mid-cycle_meetup_agenda | 22:22 |
| harlowja | def | 22:23 |
| harlowja | i'd like to know how they interact with say nova scheduler | 22:23 |
| vilobhmm11 | yup | 22:23 |
| harlowja | do they bypass the whole nova api, not sure | 22:23 |
| harlowja | lol | 22:23 |
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| harlowja | do know they are messing around with taskflow somewhere, ha | 22:24 |
| harlowja | just not sure how functional there code is yet | 22:25 |
| harlowja | because in like the ideal magical world, u'd just give that (or other) project your resource specification and it would make it happen (just like that) | 22:26 |
| harlowja | *and/or optimize resources to get close enough to your spec | 22:26 |
| vilobhmm11 | harlowja : https://github.com/openstack/watcher/blob/master/watcher/metrics_engine/cluster_model_collector/nova.py#L40 | 22:28 |
| vilobhmm11 | harlowja : https://github.com/openstack/watcher-specs/tree/master/specs | 22:29 |
| harlowja | https://github.com/openstack/watcher-specs/blob/master/specs/mitaka/approved/outlet-temperature-based-strategy.rst (intersting) | 22:29 |
| harlowja | lol | 22:29 |
| harlowja | aka, don't put cardboard infront of your fans | 22:30 |
| harlowja | ^ is not a joke | 22:30 |
| harlowja | ^ has really happened | 22:30 |
| harlowja | lol | 22:30 |
| vilobhmm11 | :P | 22:32 |
| harlowja | sileht are u involved in that at all (i see the name mehdi__ ) on an irc log, lol | 22:32 |
| harlowja | maybe different person | 22:32 |
| fhermeni | harlowja: yes, it is medhi, a create net employee | 22:36 |
| harlowja | fhermeni ah, ok, that's different person then i think :) | 22:36 |
| harlowja | sileht works for redhat last time i checked | 22:37 |
| haypo | harlowja: yes he does | 22:37 |
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| harlowja | haypo :) | 22:43 |
| * harlowja i'll see if i can showup to the next watcher meeting although its damn early my time, ha | 22:46 | |
| harlowja | be useful to chit chat more with those guys/gals | 22:46 |
| fhermeni | it is im my timezone | 22:46 |
| fhermeni | I can pass some messages etc if you want | 22:46 |
| fhermeni | also, glory to async communications | 22:46 |
| harlowja | unsure, more or less wanted to see what alighnment there is and such, how far things along :-P | 22:47 |
| harlowja | figure out all the things! | 22:47 |
| harlowja | lol | 22:47 |
| fhermeni | aside, as stated before, it still matters to exchange with upper and lower existing components to check for interoperability and compliance with their current feature sets | 22:49 |
| harlowja | sure | 22:50 |
| harlowja | agreed | 22:50 |
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| fhermeni | do you have some pointers about the infrastructure scheduling features used (or whishing to have) for heat ? | 22:58 |
| harlowja | i do not | 22:59 |
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| harlowja | but perhaps in #heat they might? | 23:00 |
| fhermeni | harlowja: hope so :D | 23:00 |
| harlowja | :-P | 23:00 |
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