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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.vmware: Clean requirements https://review.openstack.org/253790 | 03:07 |
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| lifeless | mordred: / ^ plox because we can't nice things have | 06:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Tan Lin proposed openstack/oslo.config: Make PortOpt accept choices paramter https://review.openstack.org/251729 | 06:18 |
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| dims | jd__ : sileht : we'll break ceilometer today if we don't get this review in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252740/ | 06:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.db: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/253902 | 07:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Oleksii Zamiatin proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: WIP: [zmq] PUB-SUB pipeline. https://review.openstack.org/249326 | 12:07 |
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| lxsli | Morning, gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-src-oslo.config is failing for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253125 | 12:13 |
| lxsli | From the error it seems Neutron has an opt of type 'str' (not StrOpt) which lacks format_defaults | 12:13 |
| lxsli | I did `pip install -e oslo.config` with my patch and ran ./tools/generate_config_file_samples.sh in my Neutron checkout though and it all works fine | 12:14 |
| lxsli | also I haven't touched anything to do with format_defaults so I'm wondering if this is a gate issue please? | 12:14 |
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| sdague | a fail like this is not likely to be a race condition | 12:33 |
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| mordred | lifeless: SAD | 12:50 |
| mordred | lxsli: yay for assymetric gates! | 12:52 |
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| mordred | lxsli: this is, I'm almost certain, caused by the neutron move to keystoneauth | 12:55 |
| mordred | but we did not catch this on that patch because neutron does not run that job | 12:55 |
| lxsli | mordred: ah great, do you have a review link please? | 12:55 |
| mordred | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253783/6 | 12:55 |
| mordred | lxsli: it gets the keystone options from keystoneauth | 12:55 |
| mordred | rather than coding them locally | 12:55 |
| lxsli | I see, does seem suspicious | 12:56 |
| mordred | but keystoneauth does not actually use oslo.config, bceause keystoneauth needs to be small | 12:56 |
| mordred | so it has a local object that provides the same interface | 12:56 |
| mordred | that does not seem to be fully complete | 12:56 |
| * mordred working up patch/fix | 12:56 | |
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| lxsli | fab | 12:57 |
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| mordred | aha! | 12:59 |
| mordred | I see the bug | 12:59 |
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| mordred | oh. wait. no I don't - the functions we're using are supposed to be returing legit oslo.config options | 13:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Morgan Fainberg proposed openstack/oslo.config: DNM: Test https://review.openstack.org/254185 | 13:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Oleksii Zamiatin proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: WIP: [zmq] PUB-SUB pipeline. https://review.openstack.org/249326 | 13:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack/oslo.config: Allow parser and namespace modification https://review.openstack.org/253125 | 13:30 |
| mordred | lxsli: ^^ I rebased the change to re-kick it and pick up a fix - it seems like oslo.config has a fix for this already in tree | 13:31 |
| mordred | and I was wrong, it's not keystoneauth returning non-oslo.config options - ksa returns oslo.config objects as it should | 13:31 |
| lxsli | mordred: ahh awesome, thank you | 13:31 |
| mordred | so hopefully that version should get you on the road | 13:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-dev/pbr: Add patch to properly get all commands from dist https://review.openstack.org/254016 | 14:49 |
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| dhellmann | dims, gcb: several of the releases requested in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253860 have commits with messages like "drop python 2.6 support", which in the changelog makes it sound like a backwards-incompatible change, but when I look at those patches they're mostly just tweaks to tests. Can you (a) verify that there are no backwards compatible changes and (b) use more descriptive commit messages in the future to cut down on the amount | 14:58 |
| dhellmann | of release review work? | 14:58 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: do you have an opinion on the version numbering for ironic? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253705/ | 14:59 |
| dhellmann | oops, wrong channel | 14:59 |
| dims | dhellmann. yes confirmed. yes, we'll make it better next time :) | 14:59 |
| dims | (for #b) | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | dims : great, thanks | 15:00 |
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| gcb | dhellmann: I can aslo confirm , will make it better :-) | 15:06 |
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| dhellmann | gcb: thanks! | 15:17 |
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| lxsli | some feedback on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253125 please :) | 15:31 |
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| lxsli | 251471 should be on top but I can't rebase for some reason | 15:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dmitriy Ukhlov proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Hack with Pika replacement for original rabbit draiver https://review.openstack.org/254319 | 17:21 |
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| lifeless | mordred: yes, yes it is | 17:30 |
| lifeless | zzzeek: ping; we were thinking it would be nice if you, with your sqlalchemy experience could eyeball the proposed backwards compat spec | 17:32 |
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| lifeless | zzzeek: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226157/ | 17:32 |
| zzzeek | lifeless: I have looked at it a couple of times, so far it isn't lighting up any familiar neurons for me b.c. I don't really deal with the openstack grind that much. Mainly the biggest thing that stands out to me is, "why are we making backwards incompatible changes so frequently?" | 17:33 |
| zzzeek | lifeless: as I read it it seems like there was some specific issue or issues this is in response to | 17:33 |
| zzzeek | lifeless: also when i read the "proposed change" I thought we were already doing all those things :) | 17:34 |
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| jdandrea | Is there a step-by-step guide that shows how to add oslo to a new project? I read existing source (e.g., gnocchi) and it's all spread out and not easy to grasp. I'm looking at the oslo cfg docs but not seeing a Getting Started guide there. | 17:36 |
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| jdandrea | I see the comments here but even that isn't quite a Getting Started. https://github.com/openstack/oslo.config/blob/master/oslo_config/cfg.py | 17:52 |
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| lifeless | zzzeek: ok, so yeah - why? because a) new use cases continually being exposed as new blood comes along and b) insufficient test coverage to easily predict incompat purely on patches | 17:54 |
| lifeless | zzzeek: and c) inconsistent *opinions* about whether we care about backwards compat or not | 17:55 |
| zzzeek | lifeless: I added a +1 + comment on the gerritt with what I think is the big new thing here, e.g. CI regression testing | 17:55 |
| lifeless | zzzeek: so the spec aims to address b and c: make a formal statement that we *do*, and how deep we care about it, and arrange for integration tests to help us detect it | 17:55 |
| zzzeek | lifeless: yes, the idea is, if package X , Q version ago can still potentially pull in library Y at version P, it has to be tested | 17:55 |
| zzzeek | right? | 17:55 |
| lifeless | yeah | 17:55 |
| zzzeek | geart | 17:55 |
| zzzeek | no clue how you're going to make all that work but, go you! :) | 17:56 |
| lifeless | tbh much of the test stuff is redundant behind the social buy-in aspect | 17:56 |
| zzzeek | i love version caps. It means I can put out my new libs and not worry its going to break the world | 17:56 |
| lifeless | if folk are aligned, sufficient energy will get the tec issues solved | 17:56 |
| zzzeek | lifeless: if the curent practice is, "this is backwards incompat yeah, but i think (based on total gut/ guess/ BS) that it's been long enough", then yes that is carp | 17:57 |
| zzzeek | crap | 17:57 |
| zzzeek | all our software has requirements specs w/ version ranges so it's a big graph problem basically | 17:58 |
| lifeless | zzzeek: 99% of the version ranges are open ended | 18:00 |
| lifeless | zzzeek: and none of the options for managing closed ranges work well today - if we assume semver and that every api break will affect us | 18:00 |
| lifeless | zzzeek: then we spend a *huge* amount of time just syncing 'yes this works' changes | 18:01 |
| lifeless | zzzeek: [and when we miss something we break the world] | 18:01 |
| lifeless | zzzeek: if we do open for non-openstack stuff and next-release for openstack itself, same thing more or less - we tried that and spent weeks with things breaking many times a day | 18:02 |
| lifeless | zzzeek: the current practice is that there are many divergent opinions about whether a backward compat break is acceptable or not, and it flows from there | 18:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Graham Hayes proposed openstack/oslo.versionedobjects: Add UUID Validation https://review.openstack.org/250493 | 19:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Allow for alterations in decider 'area of influence' (WIP) https://review.openstack.org/246051 | 19:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Allow for alterations in decider 'area of influence' (WIP) https://review.openstack.org/246051 | 19:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/oslo.utils: Move import for netifaces https://review.openstack.org/254367 | 20:11 |
| dims | harlowja : dhellmann : we probably need to rush this one as i am seeing some failures on zuul - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254367/ | 20:13 |
| dims | thanks harlowja | 20:15 |
| dims | harlowja : i +A'ed it. can you please add a releases review for oslo.utils when that merges and ping dhellmann? it's almost midnight here. will check on it first thing when i wake up | 20:19 |
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| dhellmann | dims, harlowja : ack, I can do the release when it's ready | 20:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Allow for alterations in decider 'area of influence' (WIP) https://review.openstack.org/246051 | 20:20 |
| dims | thanks dhellmann ! | 20:20 |
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| dims | on my travis ci, this did not fail because it first installs the old oslo.utils (which installs netifaces) and then new oslo.utils which does not | 20:24 |
| dims | https://github.com/dims/nova/blob/master/tox.ini#L25 | 20:25 |
| dims | sigh | 20:25 |
| dims | thanks dhellmann and harlowja | 20:25 |
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| regXboi | dims: ++ on rushing | 20:29 |
| regXboi | I can say this is causing failures over in at least one (and likely more) neutron check pipeline jobs | 20:30 |
| mriedem | dims: is there a way to validate a config? like i want to validate http://logs.openstack.org/20/218120/3/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-full-ceph/2349f2d/logs/etc/cinder/cinder.conf.txt.gz | 20:33 |
| mriedem | b/c the options in [ceph] are not actually supposed to be htere | 20:33 |
| mriedem | *there | 20:33 |
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| dhellmann | dims, harlowja : unfortunately, I think the right fix for that problem is to revert the move to extras because we *still* have to update the project installing oslo.utils to install netifaces if it's going to use it | 20:40 |
| dhellmann | mriedem : we've talked about building a tool to do that. it would need to use discovery to find the options, and it would require application logic, since we can't always tell what combinations of options go together just from their registration | 20:41 |
| dhellmann | dims, harlowja, rbradfor : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248364/ made a change to the way apps need to install oslo.utils in order to use it properly. Did we update those apps? | 20:42 |
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| dhellmann | dims, harlowja, rbradfor : because any gate job that's calling that netutils function is still going to fail with an import error unless it has its dependencies updated properly | 20:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/oslo.utils: Revert "Move netifaces to extras" https://review.openstack.org/254379 | 20:44 |
| dhellmann | harlowja : I think we'll need to add the extras but *not* remove the dependency from oslo.utils, then update apps to use the extras, then some time next cycle remove the core dependency and rely on the extras | 20:47 |
| dhellmann | harlowja : http://paste.openstack.org/show/481079/ | 20:51 |
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| ildikov | jamespage: hi. are you around? | 21:07 |
| ildikov | jamespage: I have a Ubuntu packaging question, if you have a few mins | 21:07 |
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