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| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed openstack/oslo.utils: Deprecate strtime https://review.openstack.org/148500 | 10:50 |
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| morganfainberg | dims, dhellmann: any idea how widespread the use of memorycache is? | 13:41 |
| morganfainberg | from oslo incubator? | 13:41 |
| dims | morganfainberg: nova, python-keystoneclient, keystonemiddleware | 13:42 |
| morganfainberg | ugh | 13:42 |
| morganfainberg | whyyyyy nova | 13:42 |
| morganfainberg | whyyyyy | 13:42 |
| * morganfainberg wanted to remove it from KSM and re-use opts | 13:42 | |
| morganfainberg | i guess i can do conf.<opt> except nosuchopt and then fallback onto the base ones | 13:43 |
| * morganfainberg is converting KSM to use pymemcache | 13:43 | |
| morganfainberg | to solve some specific issues. | 13:43 |
| dims | i see | 13:44 |
| morganfainberg | dims: not a big deal | 13:45 |
| morganfainberg | i'll just register new opts, check new opts, old opt and catch nosuchopt error | 13:46 |
| morganfainberg | it's just logic i didn't want to have to worry about | 13:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/stevedore: Removed non-free color profile from .jpg https://review.openstack.org/187066 | 13:48 |
| dims | morganfainberg: ack | 13:49 |
| dims | dansmith: a couple of o.vo reviews from daniel when you get a chance - https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/oslo.versionedobjects,n,z | 13:49 |
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| dansmith | dims: yep, they're on my dashboard, just haven't gotten to them yet | 14:21 |
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| dims | dansmith: thanks | 14:39 |
| mriedem | sileht: do you know if there is a doc / blog post / ML thread anywhere that goes through the requirements to use the rabbitmq heartbeat patch - more than just requiring newer amqp/kombu packages | 14:40 |
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| mriedem | sileht: i wonder because i came across this https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.messaging/+bug/1436769/comments/10 | 14:40 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1436769 in oslo.messaging kilo "ConnectionError: Too many heartbeats missed" [Critical,Fix released] - Assigned to Mehdi Abaakouk (sileht) | 14:40 |
| sileht | mriedem, I don't think so, we disable by default because of some issue | 14:41 |
| mriedem | sileht: it sounds like there is some special sauce to making that all work and i very much doubt it made it's way into http://docs.openstack.org/high-availability-guide/content/ha-using-active-active.html for kilo since the patch landed late | 14:41 |
| mriedem | sileht: yeah, but people are running with it successfully right? | 14:41 |
| mriedem | i'm trying to figure out, w/o reading through 20 bug reports with various bits of info, what the steps are to using that patch successfully - if someone knows those steps | 14:41 |
| sileht | mriedem, In kilo, if you enable heartbeat you can still have some race when rabbit failover or a firewall break the connection | 14:43 |
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| sileht | mriedem, we have released a workaroung for the last decoverred race https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.messaging/+bug/1436788 | 14:44 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1436788 in oslo.messaging "rabbitmq heartbeat failures don't reset connections" [Medium,Fix released] - Assigned to Mehdi Abaakouk (sileht) | 14:44 |
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| sileht | mriedem, and we have some works on kombu side to make a proper fix | 14:44 |
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| sileht | mriedem, the race occurs when rabbit connection break during the heartbeat packet sent | 14:45 |
| mriedem | sileht: that ^ bug sounds interesting, i think we might be hitting similar in our testing - uncontrolled loss of a controller | 14:46 |
| mriedem | sileht: so this is the patch/workaround https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179357/ | 14:48 |
| sileht | mriedem, yes | 14:48 |
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| mriedem | cool, will try that out, we have oslo.messaging 1.8.2 effectively atm, so will drop this on top of that | 14:49 |
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| mriedem | it would be awesome if at some point someone that knows the details of all of this to update the HA guide http://docs.openstack.org/high-availability-guide/ | 14:49 |
| mriedem | for liberty | 14:49 |
| sileht | mriedem, I have unfortunatly changed a lot of code to centrilize the workaround in only two places in the code, I'm not sure the cherry-pick for well without taking the some other patches | 14:49 |
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| mriedem | ok, i can sort that out | 14:50 |
| mriedem | oo, ouch :) https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:merged+project:openstack/oslo.messaging+branch:master+topic:sileht/refactor,n,z | 14:50 |
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| mriedem | sileht: if i get a patch for that working on 1.8.2 would it be worth proposing as a backport to stable/kilo for others? | 14:51 |
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| sileht | mriedem, I'm ok with that, but we need to see if other oslo folks are ok too, this is a ton of patches | 14:52 |
| mriedem | yeah, i wouldn't propose the whole series | 14:52 |
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| mriedem | anyway, just a thought, i | 14:52 |
| mriedem | i'll see how bad it is when i get started | 14:52 |
| sileht | mriedem, you need that one too: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186773/ | 14:53 |
| sileht | mriedem, this is a fix for a regression in the refactor branch | 14:54 |
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| mriedem | ok, thanks | 14:54 |
| sileht | mriedem, honestly you can use oslo.msg 1.11 with kilo (just tweak the requriement with the kilo one) that will just work | 14:55 |
| mriedem | i was just thinking the same thing | 14:55 |
| mriedem | 1.11 plus https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186773/ | 14:55 |
| sileht | mriedem, we haven't yet introduce weird stuff | 14:55 |
| sileht | mriedem, yep | 14:55 |
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| dhellmann | sileht, mriedem : yeah, it might be better to propose updating the requirements for kilo to allow the new version of the lib if we're sure it would work | 14:57 |
| mriedem | dhellmann: as a packager at this point i wouldn't support updating the minimum required versions of kombu and amqp in g-r stable/kilo | 14:58 |
| dhellmann | not the min, but the max, right? | 14:58 |
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| dhellmann | oh, unless this fix requires a bump to those other libs? | 14:58 |
| mriedem | the heartbeat patch requires newer mins for amqp and kombu than what's in g-r stable/killo | 14:59 |
| dhellmann | oh, well, then :-( | 14:59 |
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| mriedem | the heartbeat patch is disabled in stable/kilo and there are notes on the min versions of the libs | 14:59 |
| mriedem | so people have a way of using it if they can, but from my pov it's been difficult piecing the story together on how to deploy with all of the various bits found in different random bugs | 15:00 |
| mriedem | some red hat bugs, some LP bugs, etc | 15:00 |
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| zzzeek | hi, what is the current status of openstack meetings, e.g. when / where? the wiki page at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo seems to be out of date. 1600 utc today on #openstack-meeting-alt? | 15:49 |
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| sigmavirus24 | zzzeek: Thierry sent a message to openstack-dev about the new page with meeting times | 15:50 |
| sigmavirus24 | the /wiki/Meetings page should have a link to it | 15:50 |
| sigmavirus24 | (It's all managed in gerrit now) | 15:51 |
| zzzeek | sigmavirus24: thanks | 15:51 |
| sigmavirus24 | zzzeek: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/ | 15:51 |
| sigmavirus24 | Oh, that also says 1600 UTC in #openstack-meeting-alt | 15:51 |
| sigmavirus24 | I missed the fact that that changed | 15:51 |
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| harlowja_at_home | hmmm, the meetings changed? | 15:59 |
| dims_ | meeting starts in a minute #openstack-meeting-alt | 15:59 |
| harlowja_at_home | cool | 15:59 |
| ekarlso | Hey guys | 16:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Bayer proposed openstack/oslo.db: Implement new oslo.db.sqlalchemy.enginefacade module https://review.openstack.org/138215 | 16:04 |
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| dhellmann | dims_, bnemec, jd__: should we consider the date format change in oslo.serialization as "breaking change" and call the next release 2.0.0 instead of a feature release of 1.6.0? | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | dims_, bnemec, jd__ : line 185 of http://paste.openstack.org/show/253257/ for reference | 16:35 |
| bnemec | dhellmann: Did we remove strtime yet, or is it just deprecated? | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | bnemec: the function is there, but serialization is now emitting timestamps in a different format | 16:38 |
| dhellmann | at least that's my reading of that commit message | 16:38 |
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| bnemec | dhellmann: Oh, you're right. 2.0 is probably right then. But what's our migration path? We can't have disjoint requirements in consuming projects. :-/ | 16:44 |
| bnemec | Also I think that means when we remove timeutils.strtime it will need to be 3.0. :-/ | 16:44 |
| dstanek | has anyone attempted to use stevedore to replace the paste pipelines? | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | bnemec: yeah, we need to work that out | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | dstanek: not quite. I did experiment with using plugins to build wsgi apps at one point, but not as a replacement for paste: https://github.com/dhellmann/bartender | 16:47 |
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| dstanek | dhellmann: i'll take a look. thx | 16:51 |
| stevemar | seems like pytz is missing from oslo.utils? | 16:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steve Martinelli proposed openstack/oslo.utils: Add pytz to requirements https://review.openstack.org/187254 | 16:57 |
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| dhellmann | stevemar: good catch | 17:03 |
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| stevemar | dhellmann, i try ^_^ | 17:11 |
| JTen | Hello, I'm running into an error when running 'nova' from the command line, this paste has the error, followed by some system/package info: http://pastie.org/private/vlt4y4rjpq6zacp8ydzfca Any suggestions? | 17:12 |
| stevemar | dhellmann, i'm looking at oslo.serialization usage in other projects, and most were just using it for jsonutils (even clients and other projects) | 17:12 |
| stevemar | i'm wondering if the new msgpack req is making it too bloaty, and if other projects (like pycadf and osc) are better off just using straight std lib json | 17:12 |
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| stevemar | i still think it deserves to be in serialization, it's handy for the server pieces | 17:15 |
| stevemar | but for the clients... /me shrugs | 17:15 |
| stevemar | bnemec, dims_ ^ | 17:16 |
| stevemar | sfk | 17:16 |
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| dims_ | dhellmann: got a few mins to peek at discussion on nova chnnel? | 17:22 |
| dhellmann | dims_: I'm on my way out to lunch, but I'll check in when I get back | 17:27 |
| dims_ | dhellmann: ack | 17:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo-specs: Spec for graduating reports https://review.openstack.org/185715 | 17:38 |
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| dhellmann | dims_: reading the scrollback now | 18:21 |
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| SiarasAlex | Hi... is this the place to ask questions about pbr? | 18:24 |
| dhellmann | dims_: based on that plan from dansmith in #openstack-nova, we would need to revert the change in the serialization library this cycle, fix up nova this cycle, then land the change again after L and cut 2.x of oslo.serialization at that point | 18:24 |
| dhellmann | SiarasAlex: here or #openstack-infra -- what's up? | 18:24 |
| dansmith | dhellmann: why can't we just release current master as 2.0? | 18:25 |
| dhellmann | dansmith: because we don't have a stable branch yet, and we have other work to do this cycle | 18:25 |
| dansmith | ah, okay | 18:25 |
| dhellmann | I don't want to get us into a situation where we can't release things | 18:25 |
| dhellmann | and I don't want us to have to remember that we have to land changes to a stable branch | 18:26 |
| dhellmann | dims_: we could resubmit the breaking change to a feature branch so we have it merged and ready for landing early in the next cycle | 18:26 |
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| SiarasAlex | I am looking for info on whether PEP-440 local version identifiers will be supported sometime in PBR (https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0440/#local-version-identifiers) | 18:27 |
| dhellmann | SiarasAlex: what are those for? | 18:27 |
| SiarasAlex | We want to tag patched version of OpenStack componets with a version string that is different than from upstream | 18:28 |
| dhellmann | SiarasAlex: I'm not sure if we plan to support that. I don't see any reason not to, I just don't know. lifeless or mordred may have better info for you. | 18:29 |
| SiarasAlex | dhellmann: Thanks. I'll follow up with them | 18:35 |
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| lifeless | SiarasAlex: hi, so we might want to do so, we don't [yet] have a spec about that | 18:37 |
| lifeless | SiarasAlex: I'd like to see someone put a spec together consolidating the vendor local overrides that nova etc have | 18:37 |
| lifeless | SiarasAlex: + pbr's version reporting stuff (pbr.version.*) | 18:38 |
| lifeless | SiarasAlex: + how that should all tie into PEP-440. | 18:38 |
| lifeless | SiarasAlex: I'd happily sponsor/review/help with such a spec | 18:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.utils: Add pytz to requirements https://review.openstack.org/187254 | 18:40 |
| SiarasAlex | lifeless: Perhaps this is something that I can get someone in my organization to follow up with. We are in a bit of a crunch for the next two months, but I start asking around for resources. | 18:41 |
| lifeless | SiarasAlex: cool | 18:46 |
| lifeless | SiarasAlex: we need to bring those three things in together, because novas vendor overrides have the same conceptual space - doing just the PEP-440 + pbr bit would leave them out in the cold and give us no room to address it in future | 18:47 |
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| dims_ | dhellmann: cut a feature branch from HEAD, revert the change in HEAD and then make releases from HEAD? | 19:06 |
| dhellmann | dims_: that's another way to do it, sure | 19:10 |
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| dims_ | dhellmann: is there some writeup anywhere on the right way to cut a feature branch? | 19:14 |
| dhellmann | dims_: you ask someone on the release team to create it for you :-) | 19:15 |
| dims_ | ah i thought i had privs to do that | 19:15 |
| * dims_ hands dhellmann his release team hat | 19:16 | |
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| dims_ | dhellmann: please create a feature branch for oslo.serialization with current HEAD :) | 19:17 |
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| dhellmann | dims_: what would you like to call it? | 19:17 |
| dims_ | one sec | 19:17 |
| dims_ | dhellmann: use-iso-8601-date-time | 19:18 |
| dims_ | jd__: around? ^^ | 19:19 |
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| dhellmann | dims_: that's for 986ec5832e233d0c78ea7065ba482b87de0d6ca7 right? | 19:24 |
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| dims_ | yes dhellmann | 19:26 |
| dhellmann | dims_: branch created and https://review.openstack.org/187299 should fix the .gitreview file | 19:26 |
| dims_ | dhellmann: thanks | 19:27 |
| dhellmann | dims_, dansmith : do you want to go ahead and set up the cap for oslo.serialization in global-requirements and nova now while we're thinking about it, or do you want to just let the range be unbounded until lifeless' work on requirements syncing is in place? | 19:33 |
| dims_ | dhellmann: since we are delegating this code only to the feature branch, we should leave g-r as-is. | 19:34 |
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| dhellmann | dims_: wfm | 19:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/oslo.serialization: Revert "jsonutils: replace strtime() usage with isoformat()" https://review.openstack.org/187306 | 19:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/oslo.serialization: Revert "jsonutils: replace strtime() usage with isoformat()" https://review.openstack.org/187306 | 19:46 |
| lifeless | dhellmann: having one uncapped thing is a problem | 19:46 |
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| dims_ | lifeless: dhellmann: please bless this revert - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187306/ | 19:46 |
| lifeless | dhellmann: because it lets things incompatible with the other releases in; we need to sequence this I think; a) get constraints in place; b) open up the ranges. | 19:47 |
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| dhellmann | lifeless: it's uncapped now, and we can treat it the same as everything else as you do your work; the question was whether to cap it early as a signal that we know a breaking change is coming at the end of the cycle | 19:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ken Giusti proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Provide better detection of failures during message send https://review.openstack.org/126065 | 20:07 |
| lifeless | dhellmann: oh; if this is the wire format change; I think we can do that opt-in w/out a breaking change at all, no ? | 20:09 |
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| dims_ | dansmith: o.vo ppt when you get a chance please :) | 20:27 |
| mriedem | are there any rabbitmq point people in here from pivotal? | 20:36 |
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| dims_ | mriedem: https://twitter.com/michaelklishin | 20:37 |
| mriedem | dims_: does he hang out here? | 20:37 |
| dims_ | mriedem: haven't seen him here (moscow) | 20:38 |
| mriedem | i remember there where some actual rabbitmq devs in the ops session in vancouver | 20:38 |
| dims_ | it was just michael. he introduced us to another guy who is starting soon over email after that | 20:38 |
| dims_ | do you need email addresses? | 20:38 |
| mriedem | no, there are some ops ML threads i can probably piggy back on | 20:39 |
| dims_ | mriedem: ack | 20:39 |
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| mriedem | hmm, the openstack HA guide says to use durable queues but from the ops meetup etherpad no one is using them https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PHL-ops-rabbit-queue | 20:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Oleksii Zamiatin proposed openstack/oslo-specs: ZeroMQ driver implementation details https://review.openstack.org/187338 | 21:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/oslo-incubator: Remove quota module https://review.openstack.org/184626 | 21:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/oslo-incubator: [WIP] get rid of oslo copy of middleware https://review.openstack.org/187354 | 21:54 |
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| lifeless | harlowja: ping | 21:59 |
| lifeless | harlowja: I'm confused about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182423/13/test-requirements.txt | 22:00 |
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| harlowja | lifeless sup | 22:07 |
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| harlowja | what are u confused about | 22:07 |
| lifeless | harlowja: just working through it | 22:07 |
| lifeless | I thought you used oslo.db | 22:07 |
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| lifeless | didn't realise it was direct use of sa | 22:07 |
| harlowja | someday | 22:07 |
| harlowja | although only want to use oslo.db parts that aren't requiring oslo.config stuffs | 22:08 |
| harlowja | which is possible, just need to get around to that | 22:08 |
| lifeless | I note you've dropped the markers ? | 22:08 |
| harlowja | ya, i'm gonna followup on a review for that | 22:08 |
| harlowja | instead of this one i thinks | 22:08 |
| harlowja | therefore don't need to wait | 22:08 |
| harlowja | *seems like thats doable | 22:08 |
| * harlowja has a inherent (maybe not realistic) dislike of using oslo.config in general purpose (or desired to be general purpose) libraries | 22:10 | |
| harlowja | *since i feel docstrings and function params, and keywords, and all those things that can be used to document options seem to work ok | 22:12 |
| harlowja | *and whatever is coming up in python for type information | 22:13 |
| harlowja | but oslo.db has a interface that uses said things, just need to spend some time doing that | 22:14 |
| harlowja | *and/or using that | 22:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Refactor `fetch_mapped_args` and `fetch_unsatisfied_args` https://review.openstack.org/187376 | 22:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/futurist: Add initial .gitreview file https://review.openstack.org/187378 | 22:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/futurist: Adjust the setup.py to denote new ownership https://review.openstack.org/187379 | 23:01 |
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| harlowja | ok sileht we are live @ https://github.com/openstack/futurist | 23:06 |
| harlowja | some initial reviews and stuff, and should be nearly good to go | 23:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/futurist: Standardize the README.rst https://review.openstack.org/187380 | 23:08 |
| dims___ | harlowja: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187306/ please | 23:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/futurist: Rename futures.py -> _futures.py and expose at futurist module https://review.openstack.org/187382 | 23:15 |
| harlowja | dims___ done | 23:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Refactor `fetch_mapped_args` and `fetch_unsatisfied_args` https://review.openstack.org/187376 | 23:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Refactor `fetch_mapped_args` and `fetch_unsatisfied_args` https://review.openstack.org/187376 | 23:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/tooz: Implement watch/unwatch elected_as_leader for redis driver https://review.openstack.org/186965 | 23:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Refactor `fetch_mapped_args` and `fetch_unsatisfied_args` https://review.openstack.org/187376 | 23:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Use environment requirement markers https://review.openstack.org/187391 | 23:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Use environment requirement markers https://review.openstack.org/187391 | 23:33 |
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| harlowja | lifeless moving that one into ^ | 23:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Use matcher utility functions instead of isinstance checks https://review.openstack.org/181192 | 23:40 |
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| dims___ | harlowja: danke | 23:49 |
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