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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.messaging: Make notify driver messaging play well with publish_errors https://review.openstack.org/167130 | 10:45 |
| dims | sileht: seen this yet? https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1437902 | 11:00 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1437902 in oslo.messaging "nova redeclares the `nova` named exchange zillion times without a real need" [Undecided,New] | 11:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tiantian Gao proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Prevent infinite loop in logging notification handlers https://review.openstack.org/168574 | 11:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Tiantian Gao proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Prevent infinite loop in logging notification handlers https://review.openstack.org/168574 | 11:31 |
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| sileht | dims, I confirm that the behavior of oslo.messaging | 12:15 |
| sileht | dims, not sure it's easy to fix | 12:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Elena Ezhova proposed openstack/oslo-incubator: Revert "Optimization of waiting subprocesses in ProcessLauncher" https://review.openstack.org/168924 | 14:17 |
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| ekarlso | heya guys, so in oslo.messaging when using the impl_fake for testing is there some stuff shared between the test processes in testr ? | 14:48 |
| ekarlso | https://www.cloudistic.net/blog/py27.log < we're seeing this in designate | 14:48 |
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| sileht | ekarlso, if all your tests shared the transport object, yes | 14:55 |
| ekarlso | sileht: but uh, doesn't testr run each thing in a seperate process ? | 14:56 |
| sileht | ekarlso, I don't think so, it creates 1 process per cores I guess | 14:57 |
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| ekarlso | sileht: so uh, if we stop the service central it will be "stopped" for others then the current test across processes ? | 14:59 |
| sileht | ekarlso, sorry, but I have zero knownledge about designate internal | 15:01 |
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| sileht | ekarlso, take a looks of the nova RPCFixture to reset their rpc layer: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/tests/fixtures.py#L229 | 15:04 |
| ekarlso | sileht: think i'll take a look y | 15:05 |
| sileht | ekarlso, this creates a new transport of each test | 15:06 |
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| ekarlso | sileht: ... we do the same.. | 15:09 |
| ekarlso | https://github.com/openstack/designate/blob/master/designate/tests/fixtures.py#L36-L48 | 15:09 |
| ekarlso | sileht: really doesn't look that different.... | 15:11 |
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| elarson | is there an already established pattern for testing a config? I'd like to do something like with cfg({key: value}) as CONF: and then run some code accordingly. | 15:14 |
| ekarlso | sileht: u got no clue ? :p | 15:15 |
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| sileht | ekarlso, no sorry | 15:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | elarson, https://github.com/openstack/oslo.config/blob/master/oslo_config/fixture.py#L24 | 15:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | use that afaik | 15:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | and the def config(self, **kw): method there | 15:18 |
| ekarlso | sileht: meh, and it seems hell to debug it too | 15:19 |
| elarson | harlowja_at_home: great, thanks! | 15:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | np | 15:19 |
| sileht | ekarlso, in your test base class you setup the timeout to 5 instead of 60 | 15:20 |
| sileht | elarson, the tests are run in concurrency and because of monkeypatching perhaps between the rpc.call and when eventlet schedule the reply you have more that 5 seconds | 15:21 |
| sileht | elarson, you have some tests that take more then 5 seconds, perhaps this is the issue | 15:22 |
| sileht | ekarlso, ^ | 15:22 |
| elarson | ekarlso: ^^^ | 15:22 |
| elarson | :) | 15:22 |
| sileht | elarson, sry | 15:22 |
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| elarson | sileht: np, ekarlso and I have already gotten used to it in #openstack-dns ;) | 15:23 |
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| sileht | ekarlso, https://github.com/openstack/designate/blob/master/designate/tests/__init__.py#L247 | 15:24 |
| sileht | elarson, if you have a test that needs to timeout, set the oslo.messaging timeout only for this one | 15:24 |
| sileht | ekarlso, | 15:24 |
| ekarlso | sileht: .how the crap do you set the timeout for 1 test only ? | 15:25 |
| sileht | ekarlso, move the 'self.messaging_conf.response_timeout = 5' in tests that really need that | 15:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | haypo, have u had any chance to merge your spec into https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164035/ (it'd be nice to do that, if u get some time, so that there isn't just a partial spec in your section) | 15:26 |
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| ekarlso | sileht: designate.tests.test_api.test_admin.extensions.test_reports.AdminApiReportsTest.test_get_counts_zones < fails, and there's no reason why that should fail.. | 15:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Remove 11635 bug reference https://review.openstack.org/168958 | 15:29 |
| sileht | ekarlso, I guess you should just remove https://github.com/openstack/designate/blob/master/designate/tests/__init__.py#L247 | 15:31 |
| ekarlso | sileht: ... nope | 15:31 |
| ekarlso | that didn't help at all | 15:31 |
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| ekarlso | sileht: I think it's the "service" being killed before o.m is able to get a reply off of the topic | 15:33 |
| ekarlso | though I dont get how that would happen since I thought that the fixture's stop method / cleanup would be done after the test is done | 15:33 |
| ekarlso | or maybe i'm wacked atm | 15:34 |
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| harlowja_at_home | dims, hey is there a meeting today? | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | forgot since dough i think is out (?) | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | *doug, not dough, lol | 16:02 |
| dims | harlowja_at_home: on my way | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | kk | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | sputnik13, ^ | 16:02 |
| sputnik13 | kk cool | 16:03 |
| rpodolyaka1 | dims: thanks for the most important backport for oslo.db ;) | 16:06 |
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| dims | rpodolyaka1: hard work lies ahead right? :) | 16:41 |
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| dims | zzzeek: need 1 review or 1 patch series in nova that i can refer to...looks like all of mdbooth's are abandoned. https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:abandoned+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:db/enginefacade,n,z | 16:58 |
| zzzeek | dims: yeah…that’s waht we have for nova atm. i would need to start a new one using the updat4ed format. basically everything that is get_session() would be replaced with something lijke @enginefacade.writer.independent | 16:59 |
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| dims | zzzeek: so here's the example on how to run this, we can file reviews against oslo.db and nova and refer to them in the commit message (against devstack as an example) - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169004/ | 17:00 |
| dims | zzzeek: and the LIBS_FROM_GIT https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169004/1/stackrc,cm tells the CI to use trunk from oslo.db | 17:01 |
| dims | we can use 169004 to run the combined nova + oslo.db from trunk + specified Depends-On changesetds | 17:01 |
| zzzeek | dims: Ok but thats in the context of devstack only right | 17:02 |
| dims | devstack has a lot of jobs that include nova | 17:02 |
| zzzeek | or where does LIBS_FROM_GIT go if we arent using devstack | 17:02 |
| dims | latest oslo.db released version | 17:02 |
| zzzeek | is that just environment variable ? | 17:02 |
| ihrachyshka | anyone by chance know where this deprecation warning come from: http://logs.openstack.org/86/168886/1/check/check-tempest-dsvm-neutron-full/8601c43/logs/screen-q-svc.txt.gz#_2015-03-30_13_10_48_005 ? | 17:02 |
| dims | y | 17:03 |
| ihrachyshka | "Option "username" from group "nova" is deprecated. Use option "username" from group "nova". | 17:03 |
| ihrachyshka | " | 17:03 |
| zzzeek | dims: OK | 17:03 |
| ihrachyshka | sounds weird | 17:03 |
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| dims | ihrachyshka: that's very odd. | 17:04 |
| elarson | I'm trying to implement a hook pattern using stevedore that allows for configuring the hook via the normal config. when the hook manager finds the hooks (via a package entry point), I loop through to get any options and register them with cfg.CONF and then I tried cfg.CONF.reload_config_files. I'm wondering if the package can specify its configuration options via the setup.cfg via pbr | 17:05 |
| elarson | similarly, if someone already has a hook point system doing this sort of thing, let me know :) | 17:05 |
| ihrachyshka | dims, there is also "Option "username" from group "keystone_authtoken" is deprecated. Use option "username" from group "keystone_authtoken"." later in the file | 17:07 |
| ihrachyshka | dims, should I report a bug? | 17:09 |
| dims | ihrachyshka: yes please | 17:09 |
| ihrachyshka | dims, https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.config/+bug/1438314 | 17:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1438314 in oslo.config "Option "username" from group "keystone_authtoken" is deprecated. Use option "username" from group "keystone_authtoken"." [Undecided,New] | 17:12 |
| ihrachyshka | dims, should we mark it for kilo? | 17:12 |
| dims | ihrachyshka: loaded up a bunch of hits from logstash - http://paste.openstack.org/show/197595/ | 17:12 |
| dims | ihrachyshka: yes please | 17:12 |
| ihrachyshka | dims, I don't have authN for that | 17:12 |
| dims | these two are the only ones that stand out. | 17:12 |
| dims | ihrachyshka: i searched for "is deprecated. Use option" | 17:13 |
| bnemec | So many username opts in Neutron. :-/ | 17:13 |
| ihrachyshka | dims, well, that's not enough | 17:13 |
| dims | and hit export in the top right corner | 17:13 |
| ihrachyshka | those can be legit | 17:13 |
| ihrachyshka | for lock_path, I'll fix it now | 17:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Elena Ezhova proposed openstack/oslo-incubator: Revert "Optimization of waiting subprocesses in ProcessLauncher" https://review.openstack.org/168924 | 17:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ben Nemec proposed openstack/oslo.config: Test for deprecated opt behavior https://review.openstack.org/169015 | 17:29 |
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| sputnik13 | question... what's the deal with the topic for oslo messaging on here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-oslo-summit-planning about potentially deprecating zmq? | 18:12 |
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| amrith | dims, sorry I missed the meeting today. I looked over the scrollback. I don't think I had any action items, yes? | 18:26 |
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| dims | amrith: thanks. yep. no items. | 18:26 |
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| amrith | sorry for being a no-show. meant to send you a note but it slipped my mind. | 18:28 |
| amrith | thx dims | 18:28 |
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| dims | amrith: no worries | 18:29 |
| harlowja | sputnik13 there's been an ongoing lack of support/development/other for zeromq in oslo.messaging | 18:30 |
| harlowja | its been sorta partially maintained for a while | 18:30 |
| harlowja | so there was previous talk about either putting it in its own repo, removing it, doing something else... | 18:30 |
| harlowja | so i guess we'll talk about that again :-P | 18:30 |
| harlowja | imho the less stuff we can have in oslo.messaging (and leaving other libraries do the majority, the better) | 18:31 |
| harlowja | sputnik13 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-oslo-oslo.messaging (see that for some historical info) | 18:31 |
| harlowja | *probably other links somewhere... | 18:32 |
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| harlowja | sputnik13 with your cue knowlledge, that might be an interesting session for u; seems releavant | 18:34 |
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| harlowja | * https://github.com/stackforge/cue/ (for others that don't know) | 18:34 |
| harlowja | sileht and u might get along well :) | 18:34 |
| sputnik13 | meh, cue doesn't handle zmq, but I'm a zmq fanboi | 18:34 |
| sputnik13 | :) | 18:34 |
| sputnik13 | zmq being completely decentralized, there's nothing for us to provision :) | 18:35 |
| harlowja | i thought http://nanomsg.org/ was the new hotness though :-P | 18:35 |
| harlowja | ha | 18:35 |
| harlowja | good point | 18:35 |
| sputnik13 | so, I'm assuming there's officially scheduled discussions at the summit? | 18:35 |
| harlowja | * http://nanomsg.org/documentation-zeromq.html | 18:35 |
| harlowja | sputnik13 meh, define offical :-P | 18:36 |
| harlowja | people do just randomly chat about stuff outside sessions | 18:36 |
| harlowja | but ya; there will be a schedule | 18:36 |
| harlowja | *of the non-random-chat ones | 18:36 |
| sputnik13 | harlowja: yeah, I'm not so sure about nanomsg | 18:37 |
| harlowja | ya, me either; i just heard it was by the same author | 18:37 |
| sputnik13 | so, it was a fork by the original author because he didn't like the direction zmq was going | 18:37 |
| harlowja | right | 18:37 |
| sputnik13 | but zmq actually has a company supporting and evolving it | 18:37 |
| sputnik13 | not sure whether nanomsg has that | 18:37 |
| harlowja | ya, guess time will tell where this all goes | 18:38 |
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| harlowja | cue though could be a thing that establishes the decenteralized layout for say zmq (or nanomsg or whatever)... | 18:38 |
| sputnik13 | ok, well, I'd be curious to hear/talk about this at the summit and see if I can help out with it | 18:38 |
| harlowja | basically taking a 'layout defintinon' and realizing it | 18:39 |
| harlowja | sure | 18:39 |
| * harlowja is not very knowledgeable about zmq (so the above may be complete BS, lol) | 18:39 | |
| sputnik13 | but zmq is very ad-hoc and there's no service | 18:39 |
| sputnik13 | zmq is to messaging as taskflow is to workflows, it's a library | 18:39 |
| harlowja | right; but something needs to likely manage the layout still right | 18:39 |
| harlowja | kk | 18:39 |
| harlowja | gotcha | 18:40 |
| sputnik13 | there's an active thread that dispatches and handles things for you but there's no implementation to set up | 18:40 |
| harlowja | kk | 18:40 |
| harlowja | it reminds me of a technology that yahoo has had for years, ha | 18:42 |
| harlowja | this thing called proxyio, doesn't seem like much public stuff about it | 18:43 |
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| sputnik13 | harlowja: same author | 18:49 |
| sputnik13 | :) | 18:49 |
| sputnik13 | martin sustrik | 18:49 |
| harlowja | i think the proxyio.org isn't the same one though | 18:49 |
| sputnik13 | ah, ok | 18:49 |
| harlowja | https://www.linkedin.com/in/tquiggle (now at linked in made that) | 18:49 |
| harlowja | "I was responsible for proxyio: the dominant data transport infrastructure in use at Yahoo!. Proxyio is a dynamically reconfigurable, fault tolerant, distributed, connection caching messaging system. Every login event, email message, instant message, and advertisement delivered on the Yahoo! network relies on the system." | 18:49 |
| harlowja | .... | 18:49 |
| harlowja | don't think proxyio.org is the same; but maybe, not so sure | 18:50 |
| openstackgerrit | ayoung proposed openstack/oslo.policy: Lists for Generic Checks https://review.openstack.org/169045 | 18:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Add support for conditional execution https://review.openstack.org/164922 | 19:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Greg Hill proposed openstack/taskflow: fix renamed class to call super correctly https://review.openstack.org/169059 | 19:43 |
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| bnemec | Hrm, so https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169015/ successfully added the stack trace to the unit tests (which broke them), but it isn't showing up in the logs. | 20:00 |
| * bnemec wonders if we're not actually testing the proposed change in devstack | 20:00 | |
| cpg | larsks, or anyone with expertise on openstack-oslo … any idea how to get this going? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1206864 | 20:01 |
| openstack | bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1206864 in openstack-cinder "cannot attach local cinder volume" [Unspecified,New] - Assigned to eharney | 20:01 |
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| larsks | cpg: it's on my list of things to look at, but I haven't had the chance yet... | 20:03 |
| larsks | Looking at the error, you could probably hack around in /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/cinder/brick/iscsi/iscsi.py | 20:04 |
| larsks | It looks like the error is at lin 544. | 20:04 |
| larsks | You could maybe replace LOG.error("%s" % e) | 20:04 |
| larsks | with something like: LOG.errr("%s", unicode(e)) | 20:04 |
| larsks | Maybe. | 20:04 |
| cpg | ok, i had tried LOG.error(u”%s” % e) | 20:05 |
| cpg | do i have to delete the .pyc and .pyo files? | 20:07 |
| cpg | after editing | 20:07 |
| larsks | cpg: The issue is that "%s" results in, effectively, str(e) getting called, which is the source of your error. | 20:07 |
| larsks | You do not have to delete .pyc/.pyo files; you do have to restart the services. | 20:07 |
| cpg | ok | 20:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Use 'node' terminology instead of 'item' terminology https://review.openstack.org/169068 | 20:08 |
| bnemec | FWIW, the format string in that case is unnecessary. LOG.error(six.text_type(e)) would do the same thing and shouldn't trigger the error. | 20:09 |
| bnemec | Although based on http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.log/usage.html#no-more-implicit-conversion-to-unicode-str I would have expected u'%s' % e to work. | 20:10 |
| bnemec | Maybe it's because it isn't translated. | 20:10 |
| bnemec | larsks: cpg: ^ | 20:10 |
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| larsks | bnemec: Yeah, I was just suggesting a hack to get cpg moving forward. I'm plannning to take a closer look at the bug later in the week, time permitting. | 20:14 |
| cpg | ok | 20:15 |
| cpg | trying it | 20:15 |
| bnemec | Oh heck, I made that debugging change in the wrong place. | 20:20 |
| bnemec | No wonder it wasn't getting logged. | 20:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Ben Nemec proposed openstack/oslo.config: Test for deprecated opt behavior https://review.openstack.org/169015 | 20:21 |
| cpg | larsks: bnemec: i think i got past this issue. i am getting another error | 20:22 |
| cpg | 2015-03-30 15:19:56.571 4382 ERROR cinder.utils [req-bd6eb23b-59c2-4585-b8a0-201d4209ed90 2247d4bfa7b8448f861ce1b6b46f6499 d806ca90f76d425ca8e09e0c4df5ef80 - - -] Volume driver LVMISCSIDriver not initialized | 20:22 |
| cpg | so, it still did not attach the volume, obviously | 20:23 |
| cpg | but it’s progress. | 20:23 |
| bnemec | That sounds like not-oslo, so I probably can't help much. :-) | 20:23 |
| cpg | is that is a good bugfix that someone should be doing? | 20:24 |
| cpg | yeah, this other one does not appear oslo related from that | 20:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Greg Hill proposed openstack/taskflow: fix renamed class to call super correctly https://review.openstack.org/169059 | 20:25 |
| cpg | actually, the trace shows some mentions to oslo http://fpaste.org/204967/77473851/ | 20:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/oslo.serialization: Make the msgpackutils handlers more extendable https://review.openstack.org/156013 | 20:37 |
| cpg | bnemec, larsks: see the trace in the link i posted above ^^ | 20:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/oslo.serialization: Make the msgpackutils handlers more extendable https://review.openstack.org/156013 | 20:40 |
| bnemec | cpg: Yeah, that's just because it uses oslo to communicate. It's unlikely that's related to the problem though. | 20:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Turn 'check_who' into a decorator https://review.openstack.org/169104 | 21:59 |
| davideagnello | hello, I am trying to make use of the soft_delete functionality provided by: oslo_db/sqlalchemy/session.py in Query class, function: soft_delete | 22:00 |
| davideagnello | question is why is it setting the 'deleted' column to 'id' value for that record? | 22:00 |
| davideagnello | my soft delete transaction is failing for that reason | 22:02 |
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| vipul | does oslo.db assume the id field is an Int? | 22:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Greg Hill proposed openstack/taskflow: fix renamed class to call super correctly https://review.openstack.org/169059 | 22:39 |
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| davideagnello | yes, in the SoftDeleteMixin, deleted is defined as Int | 22:47 |
| davideagnello | class SoftDeleteMixin(object): | 22:47 |
| davideagnello | deleted_at = Column(DateTime) | 22:47 |
| davideagnello | deleted = Column(Integer, default=0) | 22:47 |
| davideagnello | def soft_delete(self, session): | 22:47 |
| davideagnello | """Mark this object as deleted.""" | 22:47 |
| davideagnello | self.deleted = self.id | 22:47 |
| davideagnello | self.deleted_at = timeutils.utcnow() | 22:47 |
| davideagnello | self.save(session=session) | 22:47 |
| davideagnello | whey is the column defined as an Int, and the soft_delete method setting an ID (UUID-string)? doesn't make sense, am I missing some information here? | 22:48 |
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| harlowja_ | uuids are ints actually | 23:04 |
| harlowja_ | but i'm not sure the reason | 23:04 |
| harlowja_ | *big ints | 23:06 |
| harlowja_ | >>> import uuid | 23:07 |
| harlowja_ | >>> int(uuid.uuid4()) | 23:07 |
| harlowja_ | 57915597871213583592399261813883380125L | 23:07 |
| harlowja_ | ... | 23:07 |
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| spyyy | Hi, is there a way in oslo.messaging to specify prefetch_count setting when using rabbitmq driver? | 23:15 |
| sputnik13 | harlowja_: uuids are 128bit | 23:18 |
| sputnik13 | bigint is 64bit | 23:18 |
| harlowja_ | whoops, then, lol | 23:18 |
| sputnik13 | I hope one is not being cast to the other :) | 23:18 |
| harlowja_ | zzzeek might know the best though | 23:18 |
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| harlowja_ | ^ especially on that question | 23:18 |
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| sputnik13 | https://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg03527.html <-- I would have to agree with this | 23:26 |
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| harlowja_ | +200 from me | 23:32 |
| harlowja_ | boris-42 i'm sure would also agree (he did a bunch of db work back in the day) | 23:32 |
| harlowja_ | oh, that mail mentions boris-42 ha | 23:32 |
| harlowja_ | sputnik13 i think i responded to a few of those back in the day; so u can probably find a response from me, lol | 23:35 |
| harlowja_ | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-March/029571.html | 23:35 |
| harlowja_ | lol | 23:35 |
| harlowja_ | yup | 23:35 |
| harlowja_ | *imho still applies* | 23:35 |
| harlowja_ | man that was a year ago, damn... | 23:36 |
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| vipul | man a lot of the oslo.db stuff is only relevant for Nova | 23:40 |
| sputnik13 | isn't nova the oldest openstack service? | 23:42 |
| vipul | Yea i believe so.. it gave 'birth' to most of the other projects.. | 23:43 |
| harlowja_ | lol | 23:49 |
| harlowja_ | for better or worse sometimes imho | 23:49 |
| harlowja_ | *i sometimes would have liked projects to start from afresh and avoid some of the same mistakes | 23:49 |
| harlowja_ | but then what would people write the history books about, ha | 23:49 |
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